Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

FrancieBrady · 23-01-2019 09:59AM

O'Neill wrote: »

You talk about the North as if it's the naughty school child in the class. It's been through a lot. Up until now at least it's improved a lot. You talk about the UK subsiding the economy? Well the North is part of the UK so.....what's your point exactly

The reality is, northern Ireland has failed and is on life support because partition was always and will always be impractical and stupid.
Now you have the whole concept of a 'UK failing around it. (The Scottish Ind ref, Brexit, Stormont in absentia, carbombs in Derry etc are symptoms of all that.)

Westminster is currently unable to govern without causing massive fractures.

What the people of this island need to decide and be allowed to decide is, do we want to tie our ship to that or remain in the EU as an island.

I don't really care at this stage if it is via unification or a firm backstop. We need to look after this island first.

seamus · 23-01-2019 10:21AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Lads, BREXIT thread thata way
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This is about a bomb in Derry, which had little to do with BREXIT.

Honestly, anyone who thinks that the UK leaving without a deal won't bring all of the NI extremists and their weapons out of the woodwork, isn't paying enough attention.

Thomas_IV · 23-01-2019 12:19PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm saying the Irish shouldn't have to leave because of some English nationalists want to. The majority of northern Ireland voted to remain

That fact doesn't bother the DUP and Mrs Foster. They both still think that NI is 'theirs' alone and that they can act like in the 'old days' of Stormont which means a minority dictates over the majority.

Thomas_IV · 23-01-2019 12:22PM

O'Neill wrote: »

You talk about the North as if it's the naughty school child in the class. It's been through a lot. Up until now at least it's improved a lot. You talk about the UK subsiding the economy? By simply throwing money at the place and not actually caring about the issues of the place is inevitable going to lead to problems!

I think that you must have missed a lot in the past two years since the NI govt broke down and the NI Assembly is still not working because of the DUP refusing to resume a power-shared govt with SF.

I also think that one can say, whether one likes the Shinners or not, that the improvements NI has achieved in the decades since the GFA was more due to the work of SF and their ability to compromise, less of that can be said about the DUP.

O'Neill · 23-01-2019 12:56PM

Thomas_IV wrote: »

I think that you must have missed a lot in the past two years since the NI govt broke down and the NI Assembly is still not working because of the DUP refusing to resume a power-shared govt with SF.

I also think that one can say, whether one likes the Shinners or not, that the improvements NI has achieved in the decades since the GFA was more due to the work of SF and their ability to compromise, less of that can be said about the DUP.

I most certainly haven’t and given the complete absence of mention when the RHI scandal came into light by the British media is telling.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 23-01-2019 01:31PM

seamus wrote: »

Honestly, anyone who thinks that the UK leaving without a deal won't bring all of the NI extremists and their weapons out of the woodwork, isn't paying enough attention.

that's it keep threatening our Northern neighbours with death & destruction.
that's sure to build bridges and reach a compromise.

maccored · 23-01-2019 02:09PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

that's it keep threatening our Northern neighbours with death & destruction.
that's sure to build bridges and reach a compromise.

thats it, keep ignoring reality

Wheres Me Jumper? · 23-01-2019 02:26PM

maccored wrote: »

thats it, keep ignoring the reality of a border

there you go. just fixed it for ya.

maccored · 23-01-2019 02:58PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

there you go. just fixed it for ya.

who is denying the reality of a border? In the real world, a border WILL bring violence, not matter how little you care about the north. no-one wants that (though you yourself dont seem to understand what the actual issue is). I dont understand why anyone who has no interest nor understanding of a subject continues to try to participate in a discussion on it

Penfailed · 23-01-2019 03:00PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

It had everything to do with Brexit - Despite what anyone says!

Despite what you say, it had very little to do with Brexit.

FrancieBrady · 23-01-2019 03:02PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

that's it keep threatening our Northern neighbours with death & destruction.
that's sure to build bridges and reach a compromise.

What do you care, you are flat out here pretending not to care when it is Ireland's wellbeing at stake, but now you are getting huffy and outraged when perceive a threat to the unionist Irish community.

Nice reveal there! :rolleyes:

seamus · 23-01-2019 03:04PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

that's it keep threatening our Northern neighbours with death & destruction.
that's sure to build bridges and reach a compromise.

Who's making threats ye mad yoke?

Simply calling out reality for what it is. The North is still full of lunatics who've been raised with hatred in their blood. Look at the bonfires and the orange parades.

It's kindling just waiting for a spark to ignite it.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 23-01-2019 03:56PM

seamus wrote: »

Who's making threats ye mad yoke?

Simply calling out reality for what it is. The North is still full of lunatics who've been raised with hatred in their blood. Look at the bonfires and the orange parades.

It's kindling just waiting for a spark to ignite it.

first threats, and now insults.
Leo should put you in charge of the negotiations. :rolleyes:

steddyeddy · 23-01-2019 04:40PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

that's it keep threatening our Northern neighbours with death & destruction.
that's sure to build bridges and reach a compromise.

Actually it's the people of Northern Ireland being pulled out of the EU against their will.

Sureal · 23-01-2019 04:53PM

Why do people forget that Northern Ireland wouldn't exist without the threat of violence from Britain? The terms of the treaty had to be agreed to or Britain would unleash “immediate and terrible war” within 3 days! Then, the Good Friday Agreement was also agreed to under the threat of violence. Loyalists would spread their murderous campaign to every corner of Ireland unless it was backed.

James Brown · 23-01-2019 04:59PM

Sureal wrote: »

Why do people forget that Northern Ireland wouldn't exist without the threat of violence from Britain? The terms of the treaty had to be agreed to or Britain would unleash “immediate and terrible war” within 3 days! Then, the Good Friday Agreement was also agreed to under the threat of violence. Loyalists would spread their murderous campaign to every corner of Ireland unless it was backed.

People like to take the path of least resistance. In all areas. Thinking of Kate's dress in Hello Magazine and that nice ol' lady the Queen coming to visit is up there with the Kardashians as regards the British and their place in history.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 23-01-2019 05:08PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Despite what you say, it had very little to do with Brexit.

those idiots have existed and operated for years (long before the word Brexit ever came into being) with their smuggling, fuel laundering, racketeering, people trafficking etc. etc.

nothing new there sadly, except certain people trying to use their activities to threaten people when they cannot get their way through democratic means.

McMurphy · 23-01-2019 06:36PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

those idiots have existed and operated for years (long before the word Brexit ever came into being) with their smuggling, fuel laundering, racketeering, people trafficking etc. etc.

nothing new there sadly, except certain people trying to use their activities to threaten people when they cannot get their way through democratic means.

Yeah, "those idiots" are an end result product of Britains meddling in Irish affairs, either directly or indirectly, but suffice to say, wouldn't have existed otherwise.

23-01-2019 06:42PM

Sureal wrote: »

Why do people forget that Northern Ireland wouldn't exist without the threat of violence from Britain? The terms of the treaty had to be agreed to or Britain would unleash “immediate and terrible war” within 3 days! Then, the Good Friday Agreement was also agreed to under the threat of violence. Loyalists would spread their murderous campaign to every corner of Ireland unless it was backed.

So without the threat of loyalist violence, the GFA wouldn’t have been signed?

That’s a new one, which I’m guessing is even less accurate than your first point.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 23-01-2019 06:45PM

Aegir wrote: »

So without the threat of loyalist violence, the GFA wouldn’t have been signed?

That’s a new one, which I’m guessing is even less accurate than your first point.

sureal i dont think i've ever seen a more appropriate handle, except perhaps "wrong" "wrong again" "talking outta me arse" "making stuff up"

Wheres Me Jumper? · 23-01-2019 06:50PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Yeah, "those idiots" are an end result product of Britains meddling in Irish affairs, either directly or indirectly, but suffice to say, wouldn't have existed otherwise.

these idiots would exist if the Brits never set foot on this island.
criminals will always try find a reason to justify their criminality.

next you'll be telling us it's the Brits fault we have joy-riders and kiddie molesters :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 23-01-2019 06:55PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

these idiots would exist if the Brits never set foot on this island.
criminals will always try find a reason to justify their criminality.

next you'll be telling us it's the Brits fault we have joy-riders and kiddie molesters :rolleyes:

You do know the difference in scale and intent between setting off car bombs and joyriding?

There are 'kiddie fiddlers' in every society, including Britain.

McMurphy · 23-01-2019 07:01PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

these idiots would exist if the Brits never set foot on this island.
criminals will always try find a reason to justify their criminality.

next you'll be telling us it's the Brits fault we have joy-riders and kiddie molesters :rolleyes:

You are getting twisted and confused now, and have obviously lost the run of yourself.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 23-01-2019 07:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You do know the difference in scale and intent between setting off car bombs and joyriding?

There are 'kiddie fiddlers' in every society, including Britain.

criminality is criminality. whether you destroy 1 person's life or 20 you are still a criminal.

James Brown · 23-01-2019 07:14PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

those idiots have existed and operated for years (long before the word Brexit ever came into being) with their smuggling, fuel laundering, racketeering, people trafficking etc. etc.

nothing new there sadly, except certain people trying to use their activities to threaten people when they cannot get their way through democratic means.

To be fair I don't recall a vote on welcoming British rule, internment, murder and terrorist collusion.
And look at the stick SF get to this day after taking the peace option and FG/Lab giving a dissident a senate seat to score political points.

FrancieBrady · 23-01-2019 07:28PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

criminality is criminality. whether you destroy 1 person's life or 20 you are still a criminal.

So do you not care about joy riding and kiddie fiddling too? Tell us how you select things to care about?

I agree by the way that many lives have been destroyed on this island because of the presence of the British as well as by the British. Glad you are seeing why we all care about it up here.

NIMAN · 23-01-2019 07:36PM

Just a real world example of how this kind of news can affect an area.

My child was meant to attend a birthday party in Derry this coming weekend. A bus load from Donegal. Got a call from birthday boy's mum yesterday to say they are heading to letterkenny instead and I quote, "what with all that's going on in Derry".

Now I know the kids wouldn't be in danger, but this kind of negative stuff does influence plenty of potential customers. I'm sure many tourists have also decided to go elsewhere since that bomb outside the court house.

FrancieBrady · 23-01-2019 08:00PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Just a real world example of how this kind of news can affect an area.

My child was meant to attend a birthday party in Derry this coming weekend. A bus load from Donegal. Got a call from birthday boy's mum yesterday to say they are heading to letterkenny instead and I quote, "what with all that's going on in Derry".

Now I know the kids wouldn't be in danger, but this kind of negative stuff does influence plenty of potential customers. I'm sure many tourists have also decided to go elsewhere since that bomb outside the court house.

I don't think they are doing it to promote economic growth.

Junkyard Tom · 23-01-2019 08:04PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

criminality is criminality. whether you destroy 1 person's life or 20 you are still a criminal.

So when Republicans fought gun-battles with the British Army to prevent them and unionist murder-gangs from raiding nationalist housing estates they were just doing it because 'hurr-durr-criminals'?

Back to the Ladybird books with you. The real world is a bit more complicated sonny.

RobMc59 · 23-01-2019 08:06PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So do you not care about joy riding and kiddie fiddling too? Tell us how you select things to care about?

I agree by the way that many lives have been destroyed on this island because of the presence of the British as well as by the British. Glad you are seeing why we all care about it up here.

The British may be responsible for a lot of bad things in Ireland and have done some terrible things to the Irish which will probably never be forgotten or forgiven but you can`t blame them for EVERYTHING-these people planting bombs could`nt give a toss for the people of Derry,if they did they would`nt be doing it.It`s a disgrace and is only hurting the ordinary people.

Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

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