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Saudi woman trapped in Bangkok airport

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    #182
    smurfjed
    Registered Users Posts: 10,075 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @Skooterblue, https://www.sharek.sa/events/the-supercoppa-italiana# is the easiest way to get a visa to saudi, go visit the country and you might discover that a lot of your preconceptions are wrong. Enjoy it :)


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    #183
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    smurfjed wrote: »
    @Skooterblue, https://www.sharek.sa/events/the-supercoppa-italiana# is the easiest way to get a visa to saudi, go visit the country and you might discover that a lot of your preconceptions are wrong. Enjoy it :)

    What preconceptions are wrong?


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    #184
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1084115623360241664

    I hope she will be okay. She is only 18 and she has very publicly defied Saudi Arabia.


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    #185
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Which she most likely purchased in Saudi Arabia :)

    This always amused me. Huge shopping malls full of designer clothes and shoes and all the women walking around in black abayas, all wearing hijab and niqab with full make up underneath. Sweltering in the heat. Strange sight. Can't imagine the relief of throwing that stuff away.


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    #186
    smurfjed
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    These.
    No. they havent come far. They have just bought technology they are still as backward as they come. They buy education but do not foster it. They innovate NONE of the science.
    there is no innovation and all technology has been bought in. They dont even build anything themselves.
    They dont build anything. Its all foreign contractors from the Architects and Engineers to the labourers who are Filipino and Indians.


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    #187
    smurfjed
    Registered Users Posts: 10,075 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    all the women walking around in black abayas, all wearing hijab and niqab with full make up underneath

    The younger generation aren't wearing these as much as their older sisters / mothers.

    https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/saudi-crown-prince-says-abaya-not-necessary-1.2190993

    Changing times...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kP0wXOtpP8


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    #188
    Charles Babbage
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    Ireland should offer asylum to hot young Arab women, especially high IQ ones.


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    #189
    skooterblue2
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    @Skooterblue, https://www.sharek.sa/events/the-supercoppa-italiana# is the easiest way to get a visa to saudi, go visit the country and you might discover that a lot of your preconceptions are wrong. Enjoy it :)

    I have met the people, seen sand on a beach and a camel at the zoo. I think we are all done here.


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    #190
    Wibbs
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    The inquisition was pretty mild at its time. Protestants tended to be more fanatical, later on.
    Indeed. Much of our "local" perception of the Inquisition comes from post Reformation Protestant English propaganda* and our own negative experiences with quite a local form of Catholicism. The Protestants killed far more witches than the Catholics for example. The vast majority of the whole dunking stool, burn her for she be a witch stuff is Protestant, not Catholic.

    Here's a "bet you didn't know this" fact: The Church had local laws rescinded against witchcraft throughout its influence. They considered a belief in witchcraft to be a pagan holdover.

    One fundamental theological difference between the two Christian sects is that the Church considered all "sinners" had the potential to be saved, so the loss of a soul was seen as a failure on their part against the powers of evil. They refer to this a lot. The various Protestant groups were much more into the idea of predestination, that it was preordained who was to be saved or not, so killing unbelievers and witches was seen as pest control.

    As for the Inquisitions themselves(there were a few of them) people of the time if given a choice the vast majority asked to be tried by them rather than the civil courts. Your chances of getting out alive were significantly higher. Take the Spanish inquisition, about the worst of them and the one we hear about the most. Of the 50,000 people accused and tried, under a 1000 were executed.



    *Another one regularly wheeled out from this angle is Galileo. Who wasn't burnt at the stake by the way. Yet conveniently leave out the fact the Copernicus, whose official qualification was in church law and theology, had his book published by the Vatican and was dedicated to the pope of the time.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #191
    Gimme A Pound
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    As for the Inquisitions themselves(there were a few of them) people of the time if given a choice the vast majority asked to be tried by them rather than the civil courts. Your chances of getting out alive were significantly higher. Take the Spanish inquisition, about the worst of them and the one we hear about the most. Of the 50,000 people accused and tried, under a 1000 were executed.



    *Another one regularly wheeled out from this angle is Galileo. Who wasn't burnt at the stake by the way. Yet conveniently leave out the fact the Copernicus, whose official qualification was in church law and theology, had his book published by the Vatican and was dedicated to the pope of the time.
    Wow, nobody expected that!


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    #192
    riffmongous
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    Thinkingaboutit wrote: »
    A large portion of what is now Spain, particularly the south-west, roughly Catalonia was occupied by people given a general tag of Iberian, a pre-Indo-European group of peoples who came to build urban centres, mint coins with inscriptions in a Greek derive script for their language. Many, although not necessarily most, spoke various Q Celtic languages. Another element in Spain were the Phoenicians, of whom the Carthaginians are the best known.

    Ruling classes can be replaced, but often they adopt whichever culture becomes dominant. Sometimes there can be fullscale replacement like abrupt move from Anglo-Saxon to Norman in medieval England, but that's rare.

    Spain saw a mingling of Visigothic and Roman forms, and it has been contended that a number of characteristic elements of Islamic architecture, are in fact Romano-Visigothic in origin.

    The Moorish and Arab invaders, perhaps first just hireling of a shadowy Romano-Byzantine commander Ibn Ilyan or Julian of Ceuta, were the sort of invader who could have continual re-enforcement from north Africa or other Islamic lands. Measures taken to put an end to what was often a highly degrading subjugation, has to be seen in the context of that time.

    I hope the woman is safe in Canada, whose present government appears fairly indiscriminate about Moslem migrants claim refugee status. Time will tell.
    Well the Romans and Anglo-Saxons themselves are probably also examples, Celtic culture in Ireland too. As far as I am aware from recent evidence it doesnt look like there was any great change in populations.






    Sure.. but then it works on both sides, whatever happened back then simply happened. The problem is we have right wing nuts glorifying the Reconquista and trying to take it out of the context of the time and into our modern times, which was the post I was replying too


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    #193
    skooterblue2
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    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Ireland should offer asylum to hot young Arab women, especially high IQ ones.

    I have a few arab women in my class, hot and high IQ do not define them. Dumpy, bitter, bald and entitled would be more accurate.


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    #194
    skooterblue2
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    You'd prefer this woman would have been sent back to SA and murdered? Because that's what would have happened here if not for the asylum process

    Its not that we would prefer to have her murdered, its that Saudi Arabia is a super power in regards to energy. Sure we have Russian gas but Arabs are much easier to deal with other nations as to regard to cost and supply. To upset our Arab trading partners could upset beef exports and/or oil imports.

    There is also a massive false logic that we have to accept every Tom, Dick and Harry that wants asylum.


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    #195
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    These.

    Seem accurate.


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    #196
    obby1
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    She is Canadas problem now, hopefully the floodgates will open and many make a break for freedom


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    #197
    skooterblue2
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    obby1 wrote: »
    She is Canadas problem now, hopefully the floodgates will open and many make a break for freedom

    ........... and where do you want them to go?


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    #198
    Dante7
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    We all know how popular this guy is among anything from Conservatives to right wingers to the far right...

    http%3A%2F%2Fi.huffpost.com%2Fgen%2F3567762%2Fimages%2Fn-JUSTIN-TRUDEAU-628x314.jpg

    Trudeau came on board after she had been granted refugee status by the UN. He was not involved in the campaign to have her protected while she was stranded in Bangkok. It's great that he has provided her with asylum, but it was his compatriots like Yasmine Mohammed and Tarek Fatah, who would be considered conservative leaning, who drew attention to this and saved her. The far left who advocate open borders for even economic migrants were nowhere to be seen in the campaign to rescue a proper refugee.


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    #199
    Billy86
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    Dante7 wrote: »
    Trudeau came on board after she had been granted refugee status by the UN. He was not involved in the campaign to have her protected while she was stranded in Bangkok. It's great that he has provided her with asylum, but it was his compatriots like Yasmine Mohammed and Tarek Fatah, who would be considered conservative leaning, who drew attention to this and saved her. The far left who advocate open borders for even economic migrants were nowhere to be seen in the campaign to rescue a proper refugee.
    Sorry, but that's not true at all. Like it or not, Trudeau's government (one of the strongest critics of Saudi in recent months, though that doesn't seem to get much airplay on the right for obvious reasons) played a crucial role from the outset.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4825062/rahaf-al-qunun-saudi-thailand-canada/
    JAN 8 - Canada helped persuade the Thai government to let a young Saudi woman seek asylum rather than deport her to Saudi Arabia, according to Human Rights Watch.

    Rahaf Al-Qunun, 18, was granted temporary access to Thailand on Monday under the protection of the UN refugee agency, which will evaluate her asylum claims.

    While the Canadian government has publicly commented on Al-Qunun’s case, Human Rights Watch said Canada “should be proud” of its role in protecting her rights, telling Global News that faced serious abuses to the point of murder if forcibly returned to Saudi Arabia.

    ...

    Robertson told Global News that Canada played a “critical” role in helping secure Al-Qunun access to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).

    “Ambassador Donica Pottie and her team worked long and hard on both Sunday and Monday to raise their concerns with the Thai government and UN agencies that Rahaf should not be sent back to Saudi Arabia where she would likely face serious abuses and persecution,” he said.

    “The advocacy they did, working with other like-minded embassies in Bangkok, was critical in making the case that UNHCR had to be brought in to provide Rahaf with protection. It was a team effort between embassies, human rights and refugee support NGOs, media, and online activists, and Canada should be proud of the central role they played in this victory.”


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    #200
    obby1
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    ........... and where do you want them to go?

    As long as the himbo Trudeau is in power Canada will take all comers, hopefully this means Ireland won't get any.
    The do gooders will be outraged by this thought, but the fact is accepting refugees with a totally opposite world view in to Ireland will only lead to problems in the years to come, see Sweden for all the proof you will ever need.


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    #201
    ohnonotgmail
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    obby1 wrote: »
    As long as the himbo Trudeau is in power Canada will take all comers, hopefully this means Ireland won't get any.
    The do gooders will be outraged by this thought, but the fact is accepting refugees with a totally opposite world view in to Ireland will only lead to problems in the years to come, see Sweden for all the proof you will ever need.


    You do realise that this lady has rejected islam? how does she have a "totally opposite worldview" to us?


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    #202
    obby1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭obby1


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You do realise that this lady has rejected islam? how does she have a "totally opposite worldview" to us?

    Rejected my ass, like the many that rejected it to get asylum in Germany?
    Nothing but a ploy and the do gooders fall for it every time


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    #203
    ohnonotgmail
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    obby1 wrote: »
    Rejected my ass, like the many that rejected it to get asylum in Germany?
    Nothing but a ploy and the do gooders fall for it every time


    I would really appreciate if you tell us how you achieved this insight into a woman that you have never met.


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    #204
    obby1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭obby1


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I would really appreciate if you tell us how you achieved this insight into a woman that you have never met.

    I dont know what you are making you opinion up from other than "feelings" but i know History repeats itself


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    #205
    ohnonotgmail
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    obby1 wrote: »
    I dont know what you are making you opinion up from other than "feelings" but i know History repeats itself


    so you can quote examples of women who have committed apostasy at the risk to their lives, sought asylum abroad, and then reneged on that apostasy? One example would suffice.


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    #206
    obby1
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so you can quote examples of women who have committed apostasy at the risk to their lives, sought asylum abroad, and then reneged on that apostasy? One example would suffice.

    Multiple new reports of such in asylum centres in Germany, say what the do-gooders want to hear and gain asylum.
    Google is you friend, that is if you want to know the truth.
    https://migri.fi/en/article/-/asset_publisher/miten-kristinuskoon-kaantyminen-vaikuttaa-turvapaikkapaatokseen-
    http://www.pravmir.com/muslim-asylum-seekers-claiming-christians-order-gain-asylum/


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    #207
    ohnonotgmail
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    obby1 wrote: »
    Multiple new reports of such in asylum centres in Germany, say what the do-gooders want to hear and gain asylum.
    Google is you friend, that is if you want to know the truth.
    https://migri.fi/en/article/-/asset_publisher/miten-kristinuskoon-kaantyminen-vaikuttaa-turvapaikkapaatokseen-
    http://www.pravmir.com/muslim-asylum-seekers-claiming-christians-order-gain-asylum/


    i dont see anything there that says they reneged on their apostasy.


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    #208
    smurfjed
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    How's this....

    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/14/669662264/iranians-are-converting-to-evangelical-christianity-in-turkey
    Akcapar believes only some of the refugees are genuine converts. Others are using religious persecution as a way to get to the West, which may be the only way for them to lead a normal life, she says.

    One may assume that if they convert to Christianity without a real conviction, that shall revert back.


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    #209
    El Tarangu
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I have a few arab women in my class, hot and high IQ do not define them. Dumpy, bitter, bald and entitled would be more accurate.


    Yeah... at this stage you are kind of coming across as someone who is just racist against Arabs, rather than having a (legitimate) grievance about how countries in that part of the world are run.


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    #210
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Yeah... at this stage you are kind of coming across as someone who is just racist against Arabs, rather than having a (legitimate) grievance about how countries in that part of the world are run.


    You could have stopped typing that post a lot sooner and it would still have been correct.


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    #211
    Graces7
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    How's this....

    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/14/669662264/iranians-are-converting-to-evangelical-christianity-in-turkey



    One may assume that if they convert to Christianity without a real conviction, that shall revert back.

    In China in the days of Gladys Aylward, they called these "rice Christians".. They were fed regardless of conviction. We are committed to feeding the hungry and caring for the oppressed without seeking any conversion or commitment. In the Famine here, Quakers fed whole villages in that spirit unless they were forbidden by Catholic priests .

    In this spirit this young woman has been rescued


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