Saudi woman trapped in Bangkok airport

Paddy Cow

Lackey wrote: »

The bile and threats posted on Twitter by some was unreal,
especially to a post headed “I feel happy’ because a small amount of cleavage was visible in the selfie
along with threats to the country that would give her asylum!
A lot of support too obviously, which saved her life, delighted for her now.

She is very vulnerable because not only did she renounce Saudi Arabia but she also renounced Islam. That makes her a target her whole life. Her male relatives will feel a lot of "shame" because her wayward behaviour makes them look bad and in that "culture" the only way to reclaim that shame is to "honour kill" her.

I feel so sad for her. She may have found a new life in a Western country but she must still be missing her family. She is free from her father and uncles but she must miss her mother and siblings. She was one of ten and must know that after her escape, any sisters she has will be on lock down, probably married off as soon as possible.

JupiterKid

The case of this brave young woman shows us the good side of the internet and social media.

These platforms and the self-publicising of her plight allowed her to escape the tyrannical oppressive regine she has fled from.

How many more will follow her?

Spannerplank

emo72 wrote: »

Saudis treat women like ****. Absolute bastards. Hate them.

How do you feel about governments who sell them weapons?

Spannerplank

JupiterKid wrote: »

The case of this brave young woman shows us the good side of the internet and social media.

These platforms and the self-publicising of her plight allowed her to escape the tyrannical oppressive regine she has fled from.

How many more will follow her?

I'm actually curious what she did that would cause her to fear for her life and what people's opinion of her position is.

Billy86

Dante7 wrote: »

Interesting aspect about this asylum case is that the people who normally advocate open borders for refugees were nowhere to be seen. It was mainly the so called right wingers who were at the forefront in seeking her asylum.

We all know how popular this guy is among anything from Conservatives to right wingers to the far right...

Canada will grant asylum to a Saudi woman who fled alleged abuse from her family and has spent nearly a week barricaded in a Bangkok hotel room, says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

The prime minister was asked about whether Canada would accept Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun, 18, as a refugee during a media availability in Regina on Friday.

"The [UN High Commissioner for Refugees] has made a request of Canada that we accept Ms. al-Qunun as a refugee and we have accepted the UN's request that we grant her asylum," he told reporters.

smurfjed

I'm actually curious what she did that would cause her to fear for her life and what people's opinion of her position is.

Running away from the family is a matter of family honour, as the Saudi Government has stated, its not their problem it's a family problem. She lived in a city called Hail which is very conservative and certainly not as open as Jeddah or even Riyadh. She will be seen to have brought shame to the family and while the family may declare that she is insane and they are better off without her, some family member may decide to remove the shame. This unfortunately is a behaviour that exists in the Middle East, Africa and the "stans, all you have to do is google honour killings UK and you will see this happening.

As for renouncing Islam, thats a different story, all you have to do is look at Salman Rushdie to see how that works out.

Graces7

smurfjed wrote: »

Running away from the family is a matter of family honour, as the Saudi Government has stated, its not their problem it's a family problem. She lived in a city called Hail which is very conservative and certainly not as open as Jeddah or even Riyadh. She will be seen to have brought shame to the family and while the family may declare that she is insane and they are better off without her, some family member may decide to remove the shame. This unfortunately is a behaviour that exists in the Middle East, Africa and the "stans, all you have to do is google honour killings UK and you will see this happening.

As for renouncing Islam, thats a different story, all you have to do is look at Salman Rushdie to see how that works out.

Or look back to the Inquisition...

Mongfinder General

smurfjed wrote: »

Running away from the family is a matter of family honour, as the Saudi Government has stated, its not their problem it's a family problem. She lived in a city called Hail which is very conservative and certainly not as open as Jeddah or even Riyadh. She will be seen to have brought shame to the family and while the family may declare that she is insane and they are better off without her, some family member may decide to remove the shame. This unfortunately is a behaviour that exists in the Middle East, Africa and the "stans, all you have to do is google honour killings UK and you will see this happening.

As for renouncing Islam, thats a different story, all you have to do is look at Salman Rushdie to see how that works out.

Was Rushdie a Muslim?

smurfjed

Ahmed Salman Rushdie[7] was born on 19 June 1947[8] in Bombay, then British India, into a Kashmiri Muslim family

He was born into a Muslim family.

smurfjed

@Grace7, we dont have to look too far back in our own history to have issues with HONOUR.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108992896

Graces7

smurfjed wrote: »

@Grace7, we dont have to look too far back in our own history to have issues with HONOUR.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108992896

Totally different agenda on that.

Lackey

smurfjed wrote: »

@Grace7, we dont have to look too far back in our own history to have issues with HONOUR.
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What’s your point?
Is it how far we have come in such a short space of time as a country in comparison to other countries where archaic laws still exist?

smurfjed

Is it how far we have come in such a short space of time as a country in comparison to other countries where archaic laws still exist?

50 years ago, Saudis were still using camels for transportation, so look how far they have come in such a short space of time, or better still look how far they have come since King Salman, they are changing and getting rid of their archaic laws at their own pace. Who are we to impose our timeline on them?

skooterblue2

Graces7 wrote: »

Or look back to the Inquisition...

What has the inquisition got to do with anything?
That was King Ferdinand and Isabella who were routing out collaborators with the Moorish invaders. Same as Nuremburg trials. It would do no harm to have one again shortly.

skooterblue2

smurfjed wrote: »

50 years ago, Saudis were still using camels for transportation, so look how far they have come in such a short space of time, or better still look how far they have come since King Salman, they are changing and getting rid of their archaic laws at their own pace. Who are we to impose our timeline on them?

No. they havent come far. They have just bought technology they are still as backward as they come. They buy education but do not foster it. They innovate NONE of the science. Its no different to claiming to be a wonderful host and chef at a dinner party while having paid Gordon Ramsey to work in the kitchen for the night.

skooterblue2

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Was Rushdie a Muslim?

You cannot "leave" Islam, then you are an Apostate, which means it is open season on your ass. Islam is like the Bloods and the Crypts, in Vertical out horizontal.

skooterblue2

riffmongous wrote: »

She'll still need plenty of police protection though, she's not out of the woods yet by a long shot, a new identity would be best

You will always find a civil servant with a gambling/drugs/drinking problem. Someone who is bearing a grudge from being passed over for promotion so many times. Someone who puts themselves in the position of getting blackmailed. These people would sell her out for the right incentive. For every lock there is a key.

smurfjed

@Skooterblue2, have you ever visited Saudi ?

Graces7

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What has the inquisition got to do with anything?
That was King Ferdinand and Isabella who were routing out collaborators with the Moorish invaders. Same as Nuremburg trials. It would do no harm to have one again shortly.

or I think YOU are.

see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

Catholic Church against "heretics" and opposers, torture and death . A valid parallel

skooterblue2

smurfjed wrote: »

@Skooterblue2, have you ever visited Saudi ?

Nope, met them at university and know loads of guys who worked there and they were there to work and go home. None of them had a nice word to say about the locals. There is no social fluidity, there is no innovation and all technology has been bought in. They dont even build anything themselves. You dont critiize the Saud regime.

riffmongous

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What has the inquisition got to do with anything?
That was King Ferdinand and Isabella who were routing out collaborators with the Moorish invaders. Same as Nuremburg trials. It would do no harm to have one again shortly.

The 'Spanish' nobility of the time would have been just as much descended from invaders, Celts (maybe?) then Romans then visigoths

smurfjed

So basically you know nothing about the country or the changes that are occurring in the country. What do you mean they don't build anything?

skooterblue2

Graces7 wrote: »

or I think YOU are.

see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

Catholic Church against "heretics" and opposers, torture and death . A valid parallel

Not really as Europe was being invaded from Moors and the Europeans were pushing back. This is all little attacks, same methods in different times. I never said the Christian Church was perfect but I would rather live in Christian Europe than under oppressive Moorish invaders.

skooterblue2

smurfjed wrote: »

So basically you know nothing about the country or the changes that are occurring in the country. What do you mean they don't build anything?

I know behind the scenes they are trying to reform but Islam has never been sucessfully reformed. Saudi Arabia will slide back the same way as Afghanistan did. They dont build anything. Its all foreign contractors from the Architects and Engineers to the labourers who are Filipino and Indians.

Graces7

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Not really as Europe was being invaded from Moors and the Europeans were pushing back. This is all little attacks, same methods in different times. I never said the Christian Church was perfect but I would rather live in Christian Europe than under oppressive Moorish invaders.

You are way off the point here. Not reading the issues we are raising.

Read CATHOLIC INQUISITION, the killing and torture of any non believers or deviants from the faith, same as with Islam ...

Thinkingaboutit

riffmongous wrote: »

The Spanish nobility of the time would have been just as much descended from invaders, Celts (maybe?) then Romans then visigoths

A large portion of what is now Spain, particularly the south-west, roughly Catalonia was occupied by people given a general tag of Iberian, a pre-Indo-European group of peoples who came to build urban centres, mint coins with inscriptions in a Greek derive script for their language. Many, although not necessarily most, spoke various Q Celtic languages. Another element in Spain were the Phoenicians, of whom the Carthaginians are the best known.

Ruling classes can be replaced, but often they adopt whichever culture becomes dominant. Sometimes there can be fullscale replacement like abrupt move from Anglo-Saxon to Norman in medieval England, but that's rare.

Spain saw a mingling of Visigothic and Roman forms, and it has been contended that a number of characteristic elements of Islamic architecture, are in fact Romano-Visigothic in origin.

The Moorish and Arab invaders, perhaps first just hireling of a shadowy Romano-Byzantine commander Ibn Ilyan or Julian of Ceuta, were the sort of invader who could have continual re-enforcement from north Africa or other Islamic lands. Measures taken to put an end to what was often a highly degrading subjugation, has to be seen in the context of that time.

I hope the woman is safe in Canada, whose present government appears fairly indiscriminate about Moslem migrants claim refugee status. Time will tell.

BorneTobyWilde

She arrived in Canada in a dress 6 inches above the knee, ha, up yours Saudi Arabia

smurfjed

She arrived in Canada in a dress 6 inches above the knee, ha, up yours Saudi Arabia

Which she most likely purchased in Saudi Arabia

Franz Von Peppercorn

Graces7 wrote: »

or I think YOU are.

see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

Catholic Church against "heretics" and opposers, torture and death . A valid parallel

The inquisition was pretty mild at its time. Protestants tended to be more fanatical, later on.

BorneTobyWilde

smurfjed wrote: »

Which she most likely purchased in Saudi Arabia

She was in a Canada hoodie and baseball cap also, she was very much dressed as a Canadian, short dress N all