French author, 50, says he's incapable of loving a woman of 50

Sonic Youth · 10-01-2019 12:30am

Tell me how wrote: »

Average guy saying women need to pay close attention to how they look as a matter of priority.

Thank God for escorts so

anewme · 10-01-2019 12:35am

People are getting carried away.

I am almost at the age bracket this guy does not want and I posted earlier to say who cares?

I've lived to almost 50 not knowing anything or any meaning about PuA, red pills, blue pills, incels, chore sex, wall women, Femenazi.

Really, WTF is this crap and how does it impact people in day to day life.? What use is this rubbish. Have people nothing more productive to do with their time?

I don't know anyone in real life who entertains this horse ****, so I find it very odd. I've got to almost fifty being totally ignorant of all of these words and meaning, yet, it's not impacted my life negatively at all.

If people do actually dwell on this stuff, then they really need to take a long, hard, look at themselves and put that pent up, negative energy to better use. I suggest volunteering, it can be very rewarding.

Bitterness only affects the bitter party, lot here would do well to remember that.

The French bloke is an arrogant, ugly asshole- why would anyone really care if they were invisible to him?

Wibbs · 10-01-2019 12:37am

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Yeah but those same women can STILL get sex and relationships. Now you're going to say 'yeah but that's just casual sex' well maybe but it's nice to know you can still hook up with some and experience some intimacy, even if it's a one night stand. The average looking, introverted guy may never experience that.

There's an element of that alright.

Same with relationships. Plenty of men these days will never get to experience one. Whereas most women do.

OK SY, but think about that for a moment. If plenty of men never experience a relationship, but most women do and men and women are 50/50 of the population. How does that work? There must be an awful lot of guys having relationships with a load of different women at the same time.

So it's easy (and acceptable) to mock the incels but maybe we should start to ask why so many young men are so isolated and lonely these day?

I'd be on the same page with you there. This very popular stuff didn't just fall outa the blue.

Sonic Youth · 10-01-2019 12:50am

Wibbs wrote: »

OK SY, but think about that for a moment. If plenty of men never experience a relationship, but most women do and men and women are 50/50 of the population. How does that work? There must be an awful lot of guys having relationships with a load of different women at the same time.

I get what your saying but I know quite a few lads who've never had relationships or were in their 20s before they got any experience with a woman. There are forums filled with men all the world who just can't seem to make it with the ladies. Was it always like that?

I just dont think women can understand that you can go your entire life completly ignored by the opposite sex. Put it this way, there are men with a fetish for chubby women. I don't think there are any women with fetish for very short men!

Sardonicat · 10-01-2019 12:59am

Not having a relationship til your twenties is pretty common for both sexes I would have thought. And your twenties is not your entire life!

KathleenGrant · 10-01-2019 1:00am

Didn't read the whole thread because I am just too tired. Working 2 jobs takes its toll. I am in my 50s and I totally get what that guy means. 25 yr olds are infinitely more attractive than someone like me. I look at me in the mirror and on my best day I couldn't be called any more than below average. Most men at first glance would probably not consider giving me a second. But that's on a purely physical level. You would expect a 50 year old man would be looking for more of a connection with a partner than simply physical but whatever his emotional and social intelligence allows him to be is what it is. Do I care? He doesn't like my body. I don't like his attitude. As someone else pointed out win/win.

ceadaoin. · 10-01-2019 1:02am

Sonic Youth wrote: »

I get what your saying but I know quite a few lads who've never had relationships or were in their 20s before they got any experience with a woman. There are forums filled with men all the world who just can't seem to make it with the ladies. Was it always like that?

I just dont think women can understand that you can go your entire life completly ignored by the opposite sex. Put it this way, there are men with a fetish for chubby women. I don't think there are any women with fetish for very short men!

I dont think some men understand that sex and attention from women isn't a human right. And that women don't exist solely for them. It's not surprising that women don't find bitterness and barely concealed rage an attractive quality. Where did this sense of entitlement come from?

10-01-2019 1:06am

Sonic Youth wrote: »

So it's easy (and acceptable) to mock the incels but maybe we should start to ask why so many young men are so isolated and lonely these day?

An education system that devalues natural male traits, is taught mostly by women and that suits female learning traits is bound to have an affect. It's easier to check out of society to a minor degree in a school system that doesn't suit you and just become increasingly isolated from there.

Sure, school works for some boys, but way too many are left out in the cold by it and leave the system having internalised that they aren't intelligent etc.

The era when men could leave school at 16 and walk into a reasonably paying job with very little education is gone. Now we have men who are hitting delayed adulthood, still living at home and unable to work or find work and no wonder resentment builds in a tiny percentage of them. Far more men kill themselves or become junkies than become incels, but all point to a system that is failing men in massive numbers.

Btw, I think if we had solutions on how to fix this, people probably would fix it. Mass education for people older that 16 is still a relatively new concept. Most people still don't see that the education system is broken.

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:07am

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Didn't read the whole thread because I am just too tired. Working 2 jobs takes its toll. I am in my 50s and I totally get what that guy means. 25 yr olds are infinitely more attractive than someone like me. I look at me in the mirror and on my best day I couldn't be called any more than below average. Most men at first glance would probably not consider giving me a second. But that's on a purely physical level. You would expect a 50 year old man would be looking for more of a connection with a partner than simply physical but whatever his emotional and social intelligence allows him to be is what it is. Do I care? He doesn't like my body. I don't like his attitude. As someone else pointed out win/win.

What I find more odd, is that hes no Keanu Reeves himself . He's not young looking for 50. Or handsome. Not exactly charming either. There are many 50 year old women who wouldn't p on him.

It's a bit like Donald Trump saying he does not fancy you.

Ahh yer grand Donald.

YFlyer · 10-01-2019 1:07am

Arghus wrote: »

You gotta love how you saw an opportunity for some wimmin bashing in even this subject.

No he didn't bash.

Gimme A Pound · 10-01-2019 1:15am

One of the guys who has a problem with women here complained about women benefitting from freebies, preferential treatment and so on... now I see how that's annoying, but who comes up with the idea? Men, that's who. My friend was like an antichrist one busy night out (think it was Paddy's night) because he was on the street flagging taxi after taxi into the wee hours, yet was being rebuffed repeatedly because of pretty women catching the eyes of the taxi drivers instead. He didn't blame those women though - he blamed the taxi drivers.

It makes no sense to complain about certain women being a certain way, and then behaving in that same way towards women - to get revenge on the certain ones from years before.

I understand that it's more difficult for average-looking nervous young guys low on confidence to get together with women, and they can face the barrier of absolute bitches humiliating them (really detest such behaviour; it's nasty bullying, and on a more selfish level, it's grist to a misogynist's mill) but I don't buy that young men are treated like absolute sh1t by young women. I think this type of statement is from someone who had a terrible time and tells himself that it was like that for every average guy and that young women average to pretty are nearly all the same in their attitudes. Or it's anger at just not being fancied - but you can't force someone to fancy you. I do think it's sh1t that there are lonely, isolated men but if they turn this into hatred towards women, then sympathy gone. And this does happen - particularly with those extremely misogynistic online movements. Why should women have understanding towards those who hate them simply for being women? They're as bad as the radical feminist ones but one type ok, the other not? I'd assume such lonely, isolated men have always been around but the internet is now giving them a voice.

In general, sex is more of an urgent physical need to men than it is to women. Women are generally hopeful that more will evolve from sex, so it really really isn't that wonderful to women to be seen just as someone who'll do for a shag by a guy who has tried to get other women on a given night but no joy and she's the last resort and he doesn't give a hoot about her (I know she goes ahead with it too, but that's because SHE isn't able to find intimacy either). And in those cases, the men who have trouble finding a woman... well they DO find a woman. Just not who they'd like. But if the point is that it's easier for unattractive women to get casual sex, well who are they having casual sex with? It ain't the adonises.

There are women too who had a sh1t time in the dating department and were humiliated by men. This gets conveniently forgotten in the land of "Women have it better until ageing kicks in, and men have it worse". And there are plenty of lads who have no problems whatsoever in that department. There are women who don't end up with anyone because they're not considered attractive - shur the insults are well established for them: the cat ladies, spinsters, frigids, veil-less nuns etc. I think they are more able to make peace with it though, then their male counterparts are (although there is man-hating stuff online too). Probably because of, as mentioned, the more urgent physical need for sex that men tend to have. This isn't meant as a sexist comment - it's pretty much a given. All you have to do is consider e.g. who avails of prostitutes more.

And I don't think anyone would disagree that birds of a feather flock together, that there are "leagues" if you want to be more clinical about it. Of course the fit, rugby playing law student will get the model, the overweight comic book guy will be with the overweight comic book girl, the science guy will be with the science girl, etc. And that's totally fine.

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:17am

Sonic Youth wrote: »

So it's easy (and acceptable) to mock the incels but maybe we should start to ask why so many young men are so isolated and lonely these day?

There was a thread earlier about the next suitable topic for Sjws to take up.

There ya go... get your yellow vest on and march for the rights of Incels.

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:24am

DS86DS wrote: »

I think that this could be a blessing in disguise. The solution for such men, or indeed most men nowadays is to avoid Western women and find a nice Russian lady.

Russian women are very traditional, love to cook, are stunningly beautiful and make immaculate attention to their makeup and clothing.

They are also very ladylike and live to please their men.

Compare this with Irish women like most modern Western women. They have brain rot from all of the chatterbox shoes they've been watching. They can't boil an egg. They are butch and dress like men. They get drunk, drink pints and swear like men.

Such a turn off. Best to look for a traditional Russian woman. Dating a modern Western woman is like dating a man with a high pitched voice.

What are Chatterbox shoes?

Jimmy Nail wore crocodile shoes in the 80's. And sang about it. Is chatterbox shoes the updated version?

DS86DS · 10-01-2019 1:26am

anewme wrote: »

What are Chatterbox shoes?

Jimmy Nail wore crocodile shoes in the 80's. And sang about it. Is chatterbox shoes the updated version?

Chatterbox shows such as Opera....Loose Women etc

ceadaoin. · 10-01-2019 1:32am

DS86DS wrote: »

Chatterbox shows such as Opera....Loose Women etc

I think you'll find Opera is very high brow entertainment actually

Also, I thought you don't like them too bright so that should suit you so?

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:32am

DS86DS wrote: »

Chatterbox shows such as Opera....Loose Women etc

Ahh but did you not say shoes..very different than shows?

In your foaming haste.

So you mean Opera,which one?

Opera is always the sign of a cultured gentleman.

Madame Butterfly or the Marriage of Figaro?

ceadaoin. · 10-01-2019 1:34am

anewme wrote: »

Ahh but did you not say shoes?

In your foaming haste.

Probably getting notions from sex and the city again. They loved their shoes

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:35am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Probably getting notions from sex and the city again. They loved their shoes

They probably liked Opera too.

DS86DS · 10-01-2019 1:36am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I think you'll find Opera is very high brow entertainment actually

Also, I thought you don't like them too bright so that should suit you so?

Sorry I meant Oprah Winfrey.

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:39am

DS86DS wrote: »

Sorry I meant Oprah Winfrey.

the Opera Winfrey shoe.

mzungu · 10-01-2019 1:39am

DS86DS wrote: »

I think that this could be a blessing in disguise. The solution for such men, or indeed most men nowadays is to avoid Western women and find a nice Russian lady.

Russian women are very traditional, love to cook, are stunningly beautiful and make immaculate attention to their makeup and clothing.

They are also very ladylike and live to please their men.

Compare this with Irish women like most modern Western women. They have brain rot from all of the chatterbox shows they've been watching. They can't boil an egg. They are butch and dress like men. They get drunk, drink pints and swear like men.

Such a turn off. Best to look for a traditional Russian woman. Dating a modern Western woman is like dating a man with a high pitched voice.

:rolleyes:
So many generalisations in such a short post with a dollop of the grass in greener over in Russia. Why don't you book a flight to Moscow and see how you get on?

Gimme A Pound · 10-01-2019 1:40am

mzungu wrote: »

:rolleyes:
So many generalisations in such a short post with a dollop of the grass in greener over in Russia.

Shur he knows that and doesn't care. He's only looking for a reaction.

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:44am

Clementine Echoing Squalor wrote: »

Shur he knows that and doesn't care. He's only looking for a reaction.

But he'd best not sign up to Mastermind.

The Opera Winfrey Shoe.

Could be method in madness.

Might like Russians as they can't spell in English?

Lotus Flower · 10-01-2019 1:48am

Clementine Echoing Squalor wrote: »

Shur he knows that and doesn't care. He's only looking for a reaction.

Yep, best ignored. His (or her, for all we know) attempts at getting a reaction are laughable

mzungu · 10-01-2019 1:49am

Wibbs wrote: »

Well.... yes M, but with a tiny bit of no. Years back when the PUA/Red pill thing started to gain traction(hello Scanlas *waves* ) and I was helping mod Personal Issues, where it started to show up, I had an oul delve into the culture of it, to get some angle on it for myself. Now in fairness, that was then, so...

What I found was yeah there was the well dodgy stuff, built on some obvious conclusions and facts, but with a hefty sprinkle of preselection and atomic powered Bro Science™. However there was also a major sense of self help type stuff for guys who felt left behind or outa step. Guys who essentially wanted help and couldn't find it anywhere, or found the usual "be yourself" advice the nonsense in practical terms that it is. Self improvement was a big thing. That a guy could improve his life and get more women. The former was heavily pushed as being more "real" in "frame"(like any group internal jargon is widespread).

The MGTOW types I've seen take the same setup but have just given up. Ditto for the Incels, with added bile. Both take great comfort in backing up their collective worldview.

TBH I had some respect for the PUA types. At least they were active, not passive and felt they could be better. Or at least trying.

The bit that really rubbed me up the wrong way was how a few guys were exploiting these (mostly)young men by offering a "simple solution" and that's gotten worse since. Many of the young guys were/are clearly open to suggestion, not out of stupidity, but desperation and these "gurus" were milking them for attention and money. Given how popular it was and is, it also showed me how so many young guys do feel left behind. And given a fair chunk of the acceptable mainstream advice given is authored by women I could see how it would appeal to many.

Interesting insight, Wibbs. But I do believe if somebody is out to blame women for their failures and whatnot the problem lies within and can't be blamed on society changing or any of that kind of stuff. It does come down to a lack of critical reflection. Look at a lot of those guys, really delve into it and there is a reason they gravitated towards movements like that in the first place. It is not because of a changing society that are single or can't find a date etc.

anewme · 10-01-2019 1:50am

Lotus Flower wrote: »

Yep, best ignored. His (or her, for all we know) attempts at getting a reaction are laughable

This troll needs a Dictionary.

DS86DS · 10-01-2019 1:55am

anewme wrote: »

This troll needs a Dictionary.

I'm not a troll. It's not my fault that men find older women unattractive. The French guy in the article was just been honest about it.

Lotus Flower · 10-01-2019 1:55am

DS86DS wrote: »

I'm not a troll. It's not my fault that men find older women unattractive. The French guy in the article was just been honest about it.

*being

DS86DS · 10-01-2019 1:58am

Lotus Flower wrote: »

*being

The Grammar Nazis are here to the rescue. :rolleyes:

Lotus Flower · 10-01-2019 2:01am

DS86DS wrote: »

The Grammar Nazis are here to the rescue. :rolleyes:

Hard to resist when you quoted a post about you needing a dictionary with yet another mistake.

Carry on with your laughable attempts at trolling!

French author, 50, says he's incapable of loving a woman of 50

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