General RTE Discussion

FrancieBrady · 06-01-2019 10:26PM

Brilliant.

Does the 50 cent come in notes?

Maybe tell us what you expect to get for 50 cent a day, and drop the juvenile hate stuff.

SPDUB · 06-01-2019 10:28PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

A lot more lax does not mean that they didn't sensor movie's. RTE 100 percent did buy in sensord versions of movies and Beverly Hills Cop in particular had some of the swear words dubbed out. I know because I saw it. Trying to tell me that I watched it on ITV when I didn't have ITV or UTV as it at the time doesn't compute. RTE would have first shown this movie in 1987 or 1988 and it was definitely sensord

It's not unknown for a film company to supply the wrong version .

Unless you check every movie on arrival to your archive you probably will not discover it is the wrong version until close to transmission and unless you are advertising it as the complete uncut version you are not going to pull it .

Given that it is the station that showed Titanic in an afternoon slot on Christmas Day complete with nude scene and language intact we can say that RTE is still observing their policy of not cutting movies

JohnCreedon81 · 06-01-2019 10:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Brilliant.

Does the 50 cent come in notes?

Maybe tell us what you expect to get for 50 cent a day, and drop the juvenile hate stuff.

FrancieBrady · 06-01-2019 10:40PM

JohnCreedon81 wrote: »

That bile and jealousy will end you in hospital. Luckily we all agree as citizens to pay for it so you can use it. Nighty night there John.

thecretinhop · 06-01-2019 10:42PM

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

DubInMeath wrote: »

RTE have some terrible stuff and presenters, but their 100 times better than virgin media Ireland who just have the worse of ITV and even worse presenters over three channels.

No comparison,Virgin Media Ireland don't charge me €160 a year to not watch their channels.

and have advertising revenue as well

06-01-2019 10:44PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Maybe now but my original point was in the early 90s and earlier RTE censored movies or more likely bought in the censored version. Many movies were cut to ribbons between violence and nudity. In the 80s many violent movies never made it to RTE at all. It was one of the reasons why I dropped Irish TV altogether

I am talking about the nineties and earlier, I only had RTE at home growing up at home, no memory of films being cut in any way, some were even were the directors cut such as once upon a time in America and the killing fields. The killing fields was was early/mid 80s when I seen it and once upon a time in America would have been 88 or 89, maybe as late as 91 or 92.

Some 80s and 90s movies like Commando might not have been shown but they were ****e so no loss.
In relation to the life of Brian as an example, it was banned by the office of the censor, meaning it couldn't be aired. You could get it on video if you knew the right people. But that was the same as any film on the list and more a sign of the state of the country at the time.

alan partridge aha · 06-01-2019 10:45PM

Tell me this is not reason to hate RTE after reading this shiote.
https://www.rte.ie/amp/1020586/

FrancieBrady · 06-01-2019 10:47PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

and have advertising revenue as well

Plus Virgin do not have to provide all the other stuff RTE are mandated to do.

Bizarre that the moaners are searching goggle for gifs but can't find that out.
There is nothing perfect about RTE but in comparison to like sized entities I think we should have some pride in the quality we do get.

Sleeper12 · 06-01-2019 10:55PM

SPDUB wrote:

It's not unknown for a film company to supply the wrong version .

You are totally missing my point.

I don't watch Irish TV nor have I done (with very few exceptions) in about 25 years. However I grew up with RTE and what I am saying is that RTE DID deliberately buy in censored movies & did this regularly. Swear words were dubbed, nude scenes were sometimes cut & violent movies sometimes never made it to RTE.

You compare a showing of Titanic, that was a 12A or PG in most countries, 15 years ago to 15 and 18 movies 30 years ago?

Why you continue to insist that RTE never bought in censored movies is beyond me. I can't speak about how they do it now but in the 80s & early 90s they bought the censored version of any movie with a lot of swear words, nudity and violence. For a few years after Jamie Bulger was murdered in 93 there was almost no violent movies on RTE let alone censored ones. Rambo was too violent because he killed 50 to 150 people per movie.

In the 80s and early 90s RTE rarely showed the full cinema version of violent, nude or a lot of swearing movies not to mention the movies that they wouldn't dream of showing night or day.

Sleeper12 · 06-01-2019 11:42PM

DubInMeath wrote:

I am talking about the nineties and earlier, I only had RTE at home growing up at home, no memory of films being cut in any way, some were even were the directors cut such as once upon a time in America and the killing fields. The killing fields was was early 80s when I seen it and once upon a time in America would have been 88 or 89 Some 80s and 90s movies like Commando might not have been shown but they were ****e so no loss. In relation to the life of Brian as an example, it was banned by the office of the censor, meaning it couldn't be aired. You could get it on video if you knew the right people. But that was the same as any film on the list and more a sign of the state of the country at the time.

This is where you were at a disadvantage. In the mid to late 80s in my parents had Sky. Back then sky only had one movie channel. From 1990 onwards I had sky in my own house. I had sky movies & was able to directly compare cinema releases version on sky compared to the censored version on RTE. Films with gratuitous sex, violence & language either didn't make it to RTE or were censored.

I saw Once Upon a time in America in 1884 in the Ambassador cinema in Dublin City. Its the longest movie I've ever seen in a movie theater. About 10 minutes shy of four hours. It had an intermission. It was such a long movie that it flopped at the box office. At 4 hours long inc the intermission they could only show it twice a day compared to other movies of maybe 4 times a day. In the states they butchered it down to a little over 2 hours long

I've never seen it on RTE but I'd be willing to bet if it was shown in the 80s on RTE it would be a few minutes short of the cinema release. I can't imagine watching a movie that long on RTE. Adds would make it a 4 & a half hour or or longer movie. I don't watch Irish TV anymore nor do I have to sit through adds. The directors cut runs 4 hours 11 minutes. This would be torture running over 5 hours on RTE with adds & as they can't start it till 9pm at the earliest it will run to the small hours.

07-01-2019 12:04AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

This is where you were at a disadvantage. In the mid to late 80s in my parents had Sky. Back then sky only had one movie channel. From 1990 onwards I had sky in my own house. I had sky movies & was able to directly compare cinema releases version on sky compared to the censored version on RTE. Films with gratuitous sex, violence & language either didn't make it to RTE or were censored.

I saw Once Upon a time in America in 1884 in the Ambassador cinema in Dublin City. Its the longest movie I've ever seen in a movie theater. About 10 minutes shy of four hours. It had an intermission. It was such a long movie that it flopped at the box office. At 4 hours long inc the intermission they could only show it twice a day compared to other movies of maybe 4 times a day. In the states they butchered it down to a little over 2 hours long

I've never seen it on RTE but I'd be willing to bet if it was shown in the 80s on RTE it would be a few minutes short of the cinema release. I can't imagine watching a movie that long on RTE. Adds would make it a 4 & a half hour or or longer movie. I don't watch Irish TV anymore nor do I have to sit through adds. The directors cut runs 4 hours 11 minutes. This would be torture running over 5 hours on RTE with adds & as they can't start it till 9pm at the earliest it will run to the small hours.

Was the full version as remember recording it across two tapes. It actually flopped because the shorter version was shown in the states.
Mates had Sky movies around the same time, was OK but didn't see the point of the extra money for it as it seemed to repeat stuff a lot.
Still have the same attitude as I just have the free sat channels and Irish channels. Don't like most programming especially reality shows or soaps and the history channel and similar has gone to the dogs.
Anything else I find online or buy on DVD.

Sleeper12 · 07-01-2019 12:19AM

DubInMeath wrote:

Was the full version as remember recording it across two tapes. It actually flopped because the shorter version was shown in the states. Mates had Sky movies around the same time, was OK but didn't see the point of the extra money for it as it seemed to repeat stuff a lot. Still have the same attitude as I just have the free sat channels and Irish channels. Don't like most programming especially reality shows or soaps and the history channel and similar has gone to the dogs. Anything else I find online or buy on DVD.

I could happily drop sky altogether now tbh. Its way overpriced. I don't watch any sports, soaps, reality TV etc. Amazon prime & netflix keep me covered. I have vpn & can get amazon USA or any netflix I want. Every now and then I'll pay for a month or two of HBO or Hulu. I think the last RTE show I watched was Charlie, a few years ago. That's a lie. I watched Mr Mercedes last year and this year on RTE2 but I could have streamed it with a little effort.

Dank Janniels · 07-01-2019 12:26AM

Whatever bout Rte its not a patch on on Virgin media /Tv3! 3 channels and nothing worth a curse on them!!!

Say Your Number · 07-01-2019 12:28AM

One of the only things TV3 had that was worth watching was Champions League and they've decided to put that behind a paywall, greedy shower.

JKerova1 · 07-01-2019 12:35AM

RTE have had some great fly-on-the-wall style documentaries in the past. Off the top of my head I can remember great docs like Skippers (about Irish fishermen), Garda Traffic Blues (about the Traffic Corps) and Garda Down Under (about Irish police who moved to Oz during the recession). These were really interesting and entertaining shows that captured what RTE could and should be doing. They haven't had a show like those mentioned in a long time now, RTE's output seems to be all silly game shows and poorly executed (and expensive) dramas like Rebellion. From what I have heard Netflix has had a devestating effect on all terrestrial television stations, not just RTE, so it's hard to see how this trend can be reversed.

FrancieBrady · 07-01-2019 12:41AM

JKerova1 wrote: »

RTE have had some great fly-on-the-wall style documentaries in the past. Off the top of my head I can remember great docs like Skippers (about Irish fishermen), Garda Traffic Blues (about the Traffic Corps) and Garda Down Under (about Irish police who moved to Oz during the recession). These were really interesting and entertaining shows that captured what RTE could and should be doing. They haven't had a show like those mentioned in a long time now, RTE's output seems to be all silly game shows and poorly executed (and expensive) dramas like Rebellion. From what I have heard Netflix has had a devestating effect on all terrestrial television stations, not just RTE, so it's hard to see how this trend can be reversed.

RTE didn't make Rebellion, nor Love Hate etc. They buy them in to target at specific audiences. Sometimes they will fund stuff or ex-produce because they know it will appeal to some of their audience.

It's like saying RTE are a ****e station because of Eastenders. I hate Eastenders and all the soaps but I understand what a TV station has to do.
Theatres don't do panto runs for the love of them, they do it because it funds the other stuff.

I agree with you on the changed landscape. Difficult times ahead.

splinter65 · 07-01-2019 12:48AM

RTE is, like the Beeb, part of the liberal left which while prevalent in middle class Dublin is not the general tone in the rest of the country.
People don’t like Ray Darcy and Ryan Tubridy and are getting fed up of being told by people living an urban existence in D4 that the Syrian refugees being dropped off in Ballaghardeen to be distributed through rural market towns (far far from Donnybrook) are further evidence of how progressive and evolved we are.

07-01-2019 01:22AM

splinter65 wrote: »

RTE is, like the Beeb, part of the liberal left which while prevalent in middle class Dublin is not the general tone in the rest of the country.
People don’t like Ray Darcy and Ryan Tubridy and are getting fed up of being told by people living an urban existence in D4 that the Syrian refugees being dropped off in Ballaghardeen to be distributed through rural market towns (far far from Donnybrook) are further evidence of how progressive and evolved we are.

Yeah its only the liberal left dubs who love the GAA coverage etc, if anything else you're post makes it sound like all culchies are as backwards as some would believe.

Keatsian · 07-01-2019 11:50AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

RTE didn't make Rebellion, nor Love Hate etc. They buy them in to target at specific audiences. Sometimes they will fund stuff or ex-produce because they know it will appeal to some of their audience.

It's like saying RTE are a ****e station because of Eastenders.

RTE didn't "buy them in." It commissioned Love/Hate, which was produced by Octagon Films, and produced Rebellion itself. It's nothing like buying the rights to broadcast a program made and originally broadcast by the BBC or some other network.

chalkitdown1 · 07-01-2019 11:59AM

splinter65 wrote: »

RTE is, like the Beeb, part of the liberal left which while prevalent in middle class Dublin is not the general tone in the rest of the country.
People don’t like Ray Darcy and Ryan Tubridy and are getting fed up of being told by people living an urban existence in D4 that the Syrian refugees being dropped off in Ballaghardeen to be distributed through rural market towns (far far from Donnybrook) are further evidence of how progressive and evolved we are.

Amazing how this post started with RTE and ended up an anti-immigration rant. Well done. You've got issues.

FrancieBrady · 07-01-2019 01:14PM

Keatsian wrote: »

RTE didn't "buy them in." It commissioned Love/Hate, which was produced by Octagon Films, and produced Rebellion itself. It's nothing like buying the rights to broadcast a program made and originally broadcast by the BBC or some other network.

Commissioning is just a fancy word for buying. The producers would have originated the project and sought funding for it (pitched the idea) The money would have come from the BAI (Broadcasting authority) and numerous investors with RTE as executive producers.
The writers were not in house writers etc.

RTE is only one of 5 co-producers of Rebellion and judging from IMDB not the lead producer either.

splinter65 · 07-01-2019 01:41PM

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Amazing how this post started with RTE and ended up an anti-immigration rant. Well done. You've got issues.

You don’t know what an anti immigration rant is if you think my post was one. Im not anti immigration and even if I was, that doesn’t mean I have “issues”.
Shocking I know but here’s the thing.
People having a different opinion to you doesn’t mean that they have mental health issues.
The fact that you obviously do think that anyone who disagrees with you is a bit mad means that it is yourself who has “issues”.
My post is about RTE and the liberal undertones overtones and whatever tones your having yourself that pervade every minute of non fiction broadcasting and some of the fiction too.
That’s my opinion. I’m entitled to it and your throwing aspersions on my capacity just makes you look like a prat, to be honest.

murpho999 · 07-01-2019 01:51PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It never happens on the sky movie channels. Ever. The movie channels had an 8pm watershed as it was subscriber only but sky don't sensor their movie channels.
It was common with RTE though. Not just with swear words but scenes could be cut too.

This is totally untrue.

I remember watching films in full on RTE with swearwords whilst British channels cut them.

You're comparison with Sky is also not right as it's a subscription service.

Either way, always preferred watching movies on RTE due to lack of censorship and less ads.

Keatsian · 07-01-2019 01:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Commissioning is just a fancy word for buying. The producers would have originated the project and sought funding for it (pitched the idea) The money would have come from the BAI (Broadcasting authority) and numerous investors with RTE as executive producers.
The writers were not in house writers etc.

RTE is only one of 5 co-producers of Rebellion and judging from IMDB not the lead producer either.

Commissioning is not a “fancy word for buying.” Usually what happens is that RTE releases a spec for the kind of program they’re looking for, and independent production companies make pitches in line with that spec.

There were various production companies involved in Rebellion, but it is very much RTEs programme, the broadcaster’s managing director stating “Quality Irish drama is the cornerstone of RTÉ television and is something the Irish public has come to expect from us. It is important that we continue to bring leading writing, directing, producing and acting talent together to tell great Irish stories and create great Irish drama. ‘Rebellion’ will form an important part of what is a significant investment by RTÉ in engaging the Irish public around 1916 and television drama achieves this engagement like no other medium.’

So you’ll tell us this is just RTE “buying in” a series, right, and it has basically nothing to do with them?

FrancieBrady · 07-01-2019 01:56PM

splinter65 wrote: »

You don’t know what an anti immigration rant is if you think my post was one. Im not anti immigration and even if I was, that doesn’t mean I have “issues”.
Shocking I know but here’s the thing.
People having a different opinion to you doesn’t mean that they have mental health issues.
The fact that you obviously do think that anyone who disagrees with you is a bit mad means that it is yourself who has “issues”.
My post is about RTE and the liberal undertones overtones and whatever tones your having yourself that pervade every minute of non fiction broadcasting and some of the fiction too.
That’s my opinion. I’m entitled to it and your throwing aspersions on my capacity just makes you look like a prat, to be honest.

Other than an occasional foray to Newstalk, my understanding of the two sides of the immigration debate has been garnered on RTE current affairs programming. And I fully understand and have heard both sides of the debate.

So something is wrong with your theory of 'overtones-undertones'.
I reckon myself it is the inability of either side of the debate to listen properly that is the problem here. If you only want to hear something then that is all you are going to hear.
People claimed the same during the referendum and presidential campaigns, but it was largely the same biased nonsense. Both sides got adequate airtime.

splinter65 · 07-01-2019 02:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Other than an occasional foray to Newstalk, my understanding of the two sides of the immigration debate has been garnered on RTE current affairs programming. And I fully understand and have heard both sides of the debate.

So something is wrong with your theory of 'overtones-undertones'.
I reckon myself it is the inability of either side of the debate to listen properly that is the problem here. If you only want to hear something then that is all you are going to hear.
People claimed the same during the referendum and presidential campaigns, but it was largely the same biased nonsense. Both sides got adequate airtime.

Nothing is wrong with my theory. You just don’t agree with my theory.
You claim to hear both left wing and right wing opinions on RTE in equal measure and I claim I don’t. You can claim that there’s “something wrong” with my theory if you can back your allegation up with stats or even examples but other then that you don’t get to knock my theory on the head anymore then I get to knock yours.

FrancieBrady · 07-01-2019 02:05PM

Keatsian wrote: »

Commissioning is not a “fancy word for buying.” Usually what happens is that RTE releases a spec for the kind of program they’re looking for, and independent production companies make pitches in line with that spec.

There were various production companies involved in Rebellion, but it is very much RTEs programme, the broadcaster’s managing director stating “Quality Irish drama is the cornerstone of RTÉ television and is something the Irish public has come to expect from us. It is important that we continue to bring leading writing, directing, producing and acting talent together to tell great Irish stories and create great Irish drama. ‘Rebellion’ will form an important part of what is a significant investment by RTÉ in engaging the Irish public around 1916 and television drama achieves this engagement like no other medium.’

So you’ll tell us this is just RTE “buying in” a series, right, and it has basically nothing to do with them?

They do have input. But it isn't by any stretch of the imagination either a solely RTE programme or an 'in house' production in the way that Strumpet City was an 'in house' production.

FrancieBrady · 07-01-2019 02:07PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Nothing is wrong with my theory. You just don’t agree with my theory.
You claim to hear both left wing and right wing opinions on RTE in equal measure and I claim I don’t. You can claim that there’s “something wrong” with my theory if you can back your allegation up with stats or even examples but other then that you don’t get to knock my theory on the head anymore then I get to knock yours.

:rolleyes: Your theory knocks mine. How's about you, who first posited a 'theory'...back it up? Then we'll take it from there.

splinter65 · 07-01-2019 02:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:rolleyes: Your theory knocks mine. How's about you, who first posited a 'theory'...back it up? Then we'll take it from there.

But I didn’t say your theory was wrong Francie, only that I don’t agree with you. So I don’t have to back anything up. Over to you.

FrancieBrady · 07-01-2019 03:01PM

splinter65 wrote: »

But I didn’t say your theory was wrong Francie, only that I don’t agree with you. So I don’t have to back anything up. Over to you.

The protocol here is that if you make a claim and are asked to back it up that you do so.
You made the original claim, so over to you. What stats have you to show that 'every minute of non fiction and even some fiction' broadcasting is from a liberal left agenda.

'Every minute'? Should be easy to back that claim up...no?

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