Russian crocodile drug apparently in the UK now

sbsquarepants · 04-01-2019 11:26AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

holy fcuk! research has been taken place for decades for addiction issues, please read it, please!

Give me the summary!:D

Why is it not your own fault when you've gone and gotten yourself addicted to "X".

Who's fault is it?

Wanderer78 · 04-01-2019 11:28AM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Give me the summary!:D

Why is it not your own fault when you've gone and gotten yourself addicted to "X".

Who's fault is it?

the fault may lie with a what rather than a whom

20Cent · 04-01-2019 11:29AM

Total exaggeration, had two pints of crocodile last night fine today no worse than a bottle of wine.

sbsquarepants · 04-01-2019 11:32AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

the fault may lie with a what rather than a whom

Ok, what's fault is it?

Wanderer78 · 04-01-2019 11:34AM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Ok, what's fault is it?

generally, 'multi system failure, on multiple levels'

lertsnim · 04-01-2019 11:38AM

Krokodil, it's a hell of a drug.

VeryTerry · 04-01-2019 11:40AM

Berserker wrote: »

Doubt it'll get to Ireland any time soon. Any visibility of ICE (Crystal Meth) here yet?

Judging by a lad I saw walking in to traffic on Dame Street the other day I would say yes.

Feisar · 04-01-2019 11:41AM

I'm all for personal responibility however, lower middle class me raised down in the bogs with a college degree may have different prospects/outlook on life than a person born to a 3rd generation unemployed family, raised in some slum in some city surrounded by other like minded people.

But hey every so often the area they live in gets a grant as it's "inner city" thus giving the inhabitants a fish instead of a fishing rod.

The high horse brigade · 04-01-2019 11:42AM

VeryTerry wrote: »

Judging by a lad I saw walking in to traffic on Dame Street the same there day I would say yes.

Most likely spice. Meth never took hold here mainly because heroin is so cheap and easily available

sbsquarepants · 04-01-2019 11:44AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

generally, 'multi system failure, on multiple levels'

Sounds a bit vague to me, almost the sort of answer that could mean anything!

Lets take an example which probably every adult in the country has first hand experience of - an addict in the family. (there's a few in mine anyway, of varying vices)

Why would a multi system failure on multiple levels affect 1 person out of 4 or 5 say, with identical upbringings within a family?
Or conversely why would it not effect 1 out of the 4 or 5?

It seems to me that the most likely answer is that the important difference (for better or worse) is in the person themselves, not in the multiple systems somehow conspiring to treat them differently.

VeryTerry · 04-01-2019 11:47AM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Most likely spice. Meth never took hold here mainly because heroin is so cheap and easily available

I lived in a meth heavy area abroad and this lads behavior was very similar. Is Spice not just headache inducing fake hash?

Wanderer78 · 04-01-2019 12:04PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Sounds a bit vague to me, almost the sort of answer that could mean anything!

Lets take an example which probably every adult in the country has first hand experience of - an addict in the family. (there's a few in mine anyway, of varying vices)

Why would a multi system failure on multiple levels affect 1 person out of 4 or 5 say, with identical upbringings within a family?
Or conversely why would it not effect 1 out of the 4 or 5?

It seems to me that the most likely answer is that the important difference (for better or worse) is in the person themselves, not in the multiple systems somehow conspiring to treat them differently.

apologises, dont have time to go into this now, its a very interesting area of research though, and well worth the time

seamus · 04-01-2019 12:32PM

Berserker wrote: »

Doubt it'll get to Ireland any time soon. Any visibility of ICE (Crystal Meth) here yet?

Because crystal meth is completely synthetic, the vast majority of it is cooked locally. The cost of cooking coupled with the risks of exporting mean that it becomes very expensive to buy for the importer.

This is in contrast to cannabis, coke & heroin, where the raw materials are grown. So creating the end product is (relatively) cheap and thus the cost of lost shipments in export aren't that big a deal.

The ingredients to synthesise crystal meth are relatively cheap and legally available in the US, but much harder to come by in Europe.

Also there's a big enough market in the US for it, and nobody can really synthesise and transport it in amounts big enough to make it cheap in Europe. So they don't bother.

I'm surprised that the Chinese haven't been synthesising it in massive amounts to flood from the east, but I understand that the Chinese are insanely harsh on drugs.

The high horse brigade · 04-01-2019 12:44PM

VeryTerry wrote: »

I lived in a meth heavy area abroad and this lads behavior was very similar. Is Spice not just headache inducing fake hash?

I've no idea what you've seen but you should watch some videos of spice heads. I've seen it first hand in Manchester and it looks a little scary.

VeryTerry · 04-01-2019 12:57PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I've no idea what you've seen but you should watch some videos of spice heads. I've seen it first hand in Manchester and it looks a little scary.

I've taken it back in the headshop days. It was **** but nothing mental.

Cienciano · 04-01-2019 01:03PM

There's always a scary drug on the horizon about to break into the irish market

Berserker · 04-01-2019 02:02PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Spice is the drug du jour of many UK Cities right now. Another horrible drug. Rife in prison too it seems.

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I've no idea what you've seen but you should watch some videos of spice heads. I've seen it first hand in Manchester and it looks a little scary.

Was in Manchester in November and there are loads of spice addicts around Picadilly and they were in a woeful state. Thought they were heroin addicts but was told that the area is actually swamped with spice and spice addicts.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 04-01-2019 02:09PM

Ok so its not very good for your skin but what kind of buzz do users get from it...just for research purposes.

On a serious note, I have no real sympathy for anyone stupid enough to take an unknown drug.

bpmurray · 04-01-2019 02:22PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Ok so its not very good for your skin but what kind of buzz do users get from it...just for research purposes.

Allegedly it's similar to heroin - it's actually desomorphine, a stronger form of morphine, but it's much cheaper and it's relatively simple to make at home, assuming you can buy the codeine tablets as the starting point. In Russia, despite Krokodill being a problem for some time, they still haven't banned over the counter sales of codeine medication. Here they don't even sell the version of Solpadeine that actually works any more, they're so cagey about codeine, so it's unlikely to take off.

rgodard80a · 04-01-2019 02:24PM

An addictive drug that kills the addict doesn't sound like good business on behalf of the drug dealers.

Although sounds like a great solution for society.

I've no problem with natural selection / behavioral selection weeding out the absolutely useless parasitic portions of the population that use these drugs.