Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The Times has stated he wants comments removed. Not sure how repeating what is siad on the Times article is inaccurate.

I'd like to kill everyone in the country that commits rape.

Selectively quote that and in just up for some genocide.

blanch152 wrote: »

Wow, that does plumb the depths in terms of inaccuracy.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/facebook-posts-are-an-incitement-of-violence-varadkar-37650794.html

"Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has described some of the social media commentary on the Roscommon eviction row as "incitement of hatred and incitement of violence".

Mr Varadkar was responding to questions about Facebook posts which called for those involved in enforcing the Roscommon eviction to be shot and fed to pigs. Another post with a similar tone referred to bank chiefs.

"As far as I am concerned, social media posts like that are incitement of hatred and incitement of violence."

I would have to say that it is difficult to disagree with him.

People with agendas like to misrepresent.

cameramonkey wrote: »

Scary, is it the stables in Dalkey for traveller's horses that is has finally driven you over the edge?

No it's this whole total arseholism of the highest order.

Burning people out of a job - yellow pack Junior Bank welcome officers- backing what is a pure chancer who never paid a red cent.

The balaclaca has slipped 100 per cent. Never a truer word spoken. Leo gained a few admirers in this instance.

Come to think of it, I must look up to see if our area has Sinn Fein wannabes councillors. Possibly not, as it's an area where people pay their way so would be those Sinn Fein propose fleecing further to make way for the won't pay brigade

The Satanist wrote: »

There's never a satisfactory outcome to anybody losing their home, especially as it had been the family dwelling for generations but obviously it had to happen.

Sorry I don't agree with you here. You cannot give a blank cheque like this. If this was a one off with a legitimate reason for default like illness or unemployment and the bank didn't engage then you would have a point and most of us would be in agreement. This situation isn't. The man in question has a string of bad debts, has tax convictions, a tax judgement against him from the revenue (which shows that substantial monies were earned) and he owes local businesses as well. From the information leaking out the bank have given them more than enough time to come to some sort of agreement and they didn't. They deserved to be evicted.

The optics of using masked and uniformed men, allegedly with loyalist paramilitary links,

Most of them were showing their face and paramilitary angle has not been confirmed and tbh in this post Good Friday agreement era I thought that these guys were encouraged and allowed to get on with their lives or is that just those of a Republican tinge.

throwing an old man out of his home in rural Ireland, is an stupid way of going about it.

Again only one of them counts as old, the others are middle aged. And again throwing someone out of a property put up as collateral against a loan that was not being serviced is not stupid, it is prudent, legal and morally right.

When we see the same treatment used against Johnny Ronan, Sean Fitzpatrick etc. then at least we can say we're on a equal playing field.

I can only assume that they didn't have any of their business loans use their homes as collateral. I would have been extremely happy if Seanie Fitz was convicted but he wasn't. He was prosecuted though and faced a trial. If the law is weak in that area then petition your TD's to strengthen it.

Going forward the banks cannot be allowed to ask for family homes to be used as collateral against businesses including farms.

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Not being a lawyer, I'd like to know -

If all the debt/penalties etc could be recovered by sale of land assets alone, could the house be left untouched for the occupants to remain in ?

Even if the house formed part of the original contract ?

Thinking about it, who in their right minds would have secured against the house, not needing to ?

It probably has to do with whats on the property deeds. If the home, farm and land are all on the same document then that wouldn't be possible.

As I have said on numerous responses to this thread going forward all business loans should be banned from a residential home being put up as collateral. That would mean splitting the deeds out (I assume not a solicitor or lawyer here either).

gandalf wrote: »

It probably has to do with whats on the property deeds. If the home, farm and land are all on the same document then that wouldn't be possible.

As I have said on numerous responses to this thread going forward all business loans should be banned from a residential home being put up as collateral. That would mean splitting the deeds out (I assume not a solicitor or lawyer here either).

I'd absolutely agree about that.

If I remember correctly, another well-known Roscommon businessman once said that he had never, and would never, put the family home up as collateral on a business deal. Words to that effect.

Albert Reynolds.

gandalf wrote: »

If there is a need for this kind of service then unfortunately whether you or I like it someone will fill it. Given the nature of it I doubt it will be nice or gentile people. This is the world as it is and i am dealing with it.

Again, you want to reduce this to market forces. What you are failing to deal with, is that it was easily predictable what would happen. That is equally how the world is. In Roscommon anyway.

If theirs a United Ireland do you think Orange Order Marches will stop, they won't and I wouldn't support them being stopped they are part of our history and a significant part of the traditions of one of our communities.

You want to treat an explicitly sectarian organisation with kid gloves just to keep their sense of place and history pacified.

The Orange Order is necessary for Orange Order marches to continue.

Security companies headed by ex-UDR men are not necessary to carry out forced evictions in the Republic of Ireland.

I would treat the Orange Order with the contempt it deserves.

It should be outlawed for it's insistent sectarianism.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The Times has stated he wants comments removed. Not sure how repeating what is siad on the Times article is inaccurate.

Give up, you are struggling now.

gandalf wrote: »

So people are bigots who don't believe in personal responsibility in Roscommon then? By your logic.

I'm not arguing against personal responsibility. I have a job and pay my way.

Why not? What component is not necessary?

The component whereby a bad situation WAS surely made many times worse by the fact of their being from NornIron.

It is obviousnow, from the repercussions, that it was chronically poor judgement to send in those NI guys.

Well using that logic we could ban Sinn Fein as well, Knights of Saint Columbanus, Opus Dei and I'd be fine with that.

If you want to make a case that SF is anti-Protestant, I'd love to hear about it.

An answer with reference to Wolfe Tone, Emmet, McCracken, Napper Tandy et al and how they are perceived by SF and the republican movement, would be interesting.

In the real world you would find it very difficult to ban the Orange Order and especially if you want to convince those in the North of that persuasion to join into a United Ireland. What do you expect will happen if a United Ireland happens that all the organisations and people you don't like will disappear.

I understand all that, and point taken.

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Again, you want to reduce this to market forces. What you are failing to deal with, is that it was easily predictable what would happen. That is equally how the world is. In Roscommon anyway.



You want to treat an explicitly sectarian organisation with kid gloves just to keep their sense of place and history pacified.

The Orange Order is necessary for Orange Order marches to continue.

Security companies headed by ex-UDR men are not necessary to carry out forced evictions in the Republic of Ireland.

I would treat the Orange Order with the contempt it deserves.

It should be outlawed for it's insistent sectarianism.

Aren't you on other threads saying refugees from islamic countries should be stopped/limited? Havent you been talking about holding onto western values and traditions and culture?

I have no love for the orange order but like it or not thier marches are part of their tradition and culture.

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I'm not arguing against personal responsibility. I have a job and pay my way.

I'm glad to hear some of the others on this thread don't seem to understand that part.

The component whereby a bad situation WAS surely made many times worse by the fact of their being from NornIron.

It is obviousnow, from the repercussions, that it was chronically poor judgement to send in those NI guys.

Why was it though? So are you saying that if a firm from the Republic turned up and turfed the defaulter and his hangers on out everything would be hunky dory? To be honest where they were from was used by a minority of thugs as an excuse to meet out some violence that's all. They did not have any interest in helping out the evicted, some reports suggest they did it because they didn't get the gig.

If you want to make a case that SF is anti-Protestant, I'd love to hear about it.

An answer with reference to Wolfe Tone, Emmet, McCracken, Napper Tandy et al and how they are perceived by SF and the republican movement, would be interesting.

Personally I don't give a rats ass but then again I was born Catholic and am now an atheist. I did go to a Protestant Secondary school and do business in the North so I do know that they would not be viewed as "friendly" towards protestants.

I understand all that, and point taken.

I'm glad we agree on some points.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Aren't you on other threads saying refugees from islamic countries should be stopped/limited?

If you want to discuss that, make a post on the threads you are referring to.

Havent you been talking about holding onto western values and traditions and culture?

Not everything that emanated from the west is equally desirable or praiseworthy.

We have the faculty of judgement.

I have no love for the orange order but like it or not thier marches are part of their tradition and culture.

Great.

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

And like it or not (I don't) it is part of the tradition and culture in Roscommon to violently deal with forced eviction.

Culture is in the eye of the beholder, clearly.

Hang on I though it was only dealt with violently because the company that carried out the eviction came from Northern Ireland!

Again if Mr McGann paid his bills this wouldn't have happened, what transpired nearly two weeks ago was not the morally repugnant actions of some vicious landlord from the 19th century but the legal response from a commercial organisation to a man that doesn't seem to get that you have to pay your debts (or at least make an effort to do so) in the 21st century especially if you have put your home and business as collateral against that loan. That is the modern culture of Ireland.