Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

MaceFace · 19-12-2018 11:15AM

Man Utd sign a caretaker manager from the team currently second in the Norwegian division.
His only experience managing a top team was Cardiff where he lasted 30 games, winning 9, got relegated, and fired a month into the new season.

He has no experience managing top international players, and the only other well known team previously known to be interested in his services is Aston Villa.

None of this matters though because he is a Utd legend. He won Utd the Champions League. He is a nice guy.

Mitch Connor · 19-12-2018 11:19AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

This weekends result is not a good way to judge, either pairing has just got their hands on the team.

The board may only have Poch in their sights as the next manager and might have got indication he wont leave Spurs mid-season. So what is the option then?

So if this weeknd is not a good judge why do you feel there was a rush needed to get him in today? why work to such a tight time frame?

So the only suitable person in football, who could have come in for 6 months is Solskjaer? It just happens to be Solskjaer? Th club did its due diligence and Solskjaer was the name that came up?

Your Airbag · 19-12-2018 11:23AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So if this weeknd is not a good judge why do you feel there was a rush needed to get him in today? why work to such a tight time frame?

So the only suitable person in football, who could have come in for 6 months is Solskjaer? It just happens to be Solskjaer? Th club did its due diligence and Solskjaer was the name that came up?

If its purely 6 months until replacement yes, I can't see any top manager wanting 6 months in a role only to be replaced. For Ole this is a big chance and no matter how well or badly he does he can be replaced in 6 months.

The club wanted someone in instead of drifting aimlessly, would you rather we go with Carrick for 6 months? Your getting worked up over a temporary appointment when you have no idea who else was contacted or available.

PhlegmyMoses · 19-12-2018 11:27AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So if this weeknd is not a good judge why do you feel there was a rush needed to get him in today? why work to such a tight time frame?

So the only suitable person in football, who could have come in for 6 months is Solskjaer? It just happens to be Solskjaer? Th club did its due diligence and Solskjaer was the name that came up?

The club didn't do its due diligence. They were not expecting to sack Mourinho and they are in panic mode.

Mitch Connor · 19-12-2018 11:27AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

If its purely 6 months until replacement yes, I can't see any top manager wanting 6 months in a role only to be replaced. For Ole this is a big chance and no matter how well or badly he does he can be replaced in 6 months.

The club wanted someone in instead of drifting aimlessly, would you rather we go with Carrick for 6 months? Your getting worked up over a temporary appointment when you have no idea who else was contacted or available.

Surely any manager could see that a good performance in this 6 months could put them in prime position to be the full time manager?

get top 4 or run it close, get us playing good football - have us looking like a top side; and the contract could be yours, or you have enhanced your rep no end regardless.

Failing could harm you, sure, but wouldn't a manager back themselves?

Mitch Connor · 19-12-2018 11:29AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

The club didn't do its due diligence. They were not expecting to sack Mourinho and they are in panic mode.

the club should have been expecting this for months. Whether they wanted to sack him or not, surely to F they could see it was a possibility at the least and have a think about what would need to be done.

Adamocovic · 19-12-2018 11:30AM

MaceFace wrote: »

Man Utd sign a caretaker manager from the team currently second in the Norwegian division.
His only experience managing a top team was Cardiff where he lasted 30 games, winning 9, got relegated, and fired a month into the new season.

He has no experience managing top international players, and the only other well known team previously known to be interested in his services is Aston Villa.

None of this matters though because he is a Utd legend. He won Utd the Champions League. He is a nice guy.

Silly argument really. It's not just because of his playing career.

Firstly, from a Norwegian side currently second? Season is finished in Norway, they finished 2nd. Back to back 2nd place finishes after failing to reach top 4 two seasons in a row I believe, so he has rebuilt there. And in his first stint won 2 league titles.

He's got experience managing players who are currently on this squad, from his time in the youths/reserves.

If his experience didn't matter then someone like Scholes would be walking in the door. Arsenal fans were confused and a lot annoyed when Wenger was announced, hadn't done anything of note in years in their eyes, unknown and coming from UAE. A lot of Rangers fans weren't impressed with Gerrard coming in, what experience did he have? Southgate's appointment as manager of England wasn't well received either.

bangkok · 19-12-2018 11:31AM

paulbok wrote: »

So it's fine for Pogba to be tweeting and Instagramming to his hearts content, but gif aren't allowed here?

Who said they werent allowed? I just said i stopped reading when i seen the gif. Gifs add nothing to a discussion forum. Nothing. They also wind people up the wrong way making the thread hard to read at times

PhlegmyMoses · 19-12-2018 11:31AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Surely any manager could see that a good performance in this 6 months could put them in prime position to be the full time manager?

get top 4 or run it close, get us playing good football - have us looking like a top side; and the contract could be yours, or you have enhanced your rep no end regardless.

Failing could harm you, sure, but wouldn't a manager back themselves?

This is the thing I think we are missing. I don't think the club wants somenody who could create pressure. I think they want to take their time and get a structure in place and have written thus season off.

Whether you agree or not with that approach, there is at least a logic to it.

Lord TSC · 19-12-2018 11:31AM

Paully D wrote: »

Crazy to see the club lowered to the point of hiring Molde’s manager who failed miserably in the Premier League at Cardiff, on a 6 month basis, essentially just because he’s a former player.

It’s Manchester United FFS. Arguably the biggest club in the world. They should be appointing whatever manager they decide they want in world football, not this.

And if the manager they want isn't available till summer?

Appointing Ole is, to me, a clear sign that United want a manager who is in a job currently that said manager will see out the season with. Which is Poch.

If the idea is to spend the next four months focused on bringing in a DoF, playing some fun football with no pressure (cause top 4 is 99% gone) nd then bring in Poch, then I'm more than happy.

Your Airbag · 19-12-2018 11:34AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Surely any manager could see that a good performance in this 6 months could put them in prime position to be the full time manager?

get top 4 or run it close, get us playing good football - have us looking like a top side; and the contract could be yours, or you have enhanced your rep no end regardless.

Failing could harm you, sure, but wouldn't a manager back themselves?

A manager back himself? What does that mean? Its the board who hire and fire him, it doesn't matter how much he backs himself (not sure what you even mean by that) Jose backed himself plenty lets not forget.

Ole's been given 6 months from what we know, not a 4 year contract. If he does an amazing job we could still see the board line up Poch and in the coming months have an agreement with him to come in during the summer, then Ole could be moved to some other area of the club or have clubs calling him as he bolstered his CV.

If Ole has a horror show he will be replaced in 6 months. If he does well why wouldn't you want that to stay?

Mantis Toboggan · 19-12-2018 11:34AM

Director of football needs to be appointed before any long term manager is hired.

bangkok · 19-12-2018 11:36AM

I dont agree with people using oles time at cardiff as a stick to beat him with. They were doomed to relegation no matter who took over

Adamocovic · 19-12-2018 11:37AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

And if the manager they want isn't available till summer?

Appointing Ole is, to me, a clear sign that United want a manager who is in a job currently that said manager will see out the season with. Which is Poch.

If the idea is to spend the next four months focused on bringing in a DoF, playing some fun football with no pressure (cause top 4 is 99% gone) nd then bring in Poch, then I'm more than happy.

Papers running this more with reports that we may be bringing in Paul Mitchell, youth development and recruitment in RB Leipzig, worked with Poch in both Southampton and Spurs and a lot are reporting we're considering him.

Mitch Connor · 19-12-2018 11:37AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

A manager back himself? What does that mean? Its the board who hire and fire him, it doesn't matter how much he backs himself (not sure what you even mean by that) Jose backed himself plenty lets not forget.

As in they could fail, thus harm their rep rather than enhance it but surely a manager would back themselves to succeed rather than fail.

Econ__ · 19-12-2018 11:38AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Surely any manager could see that a good performance in this 6 months could put them in prime position to be the full time manager?

get top 4 or run it close, get us playing good football - have us looking like a top side; and the contract could be yours, or you have enhanced your rep no end regardless.

Failing could harm you, sure, but wouldn't a manager back themselves?

I reckon this is part of the problem.

The board probably want to take time to develop a proper strategy and hire a DoF & manager in tandem.

If you brought in a manager with a high profile now and he did well for 6 months, the boards hands would be tied - as there would be outrage from the simpleton/casual section of the United fanbase if the strategy they devised meant not keeping on the successful interim manager - so they would be forced to bin the strategy and the club is back to square one on that front.

Mitch Connor · 19-12-2018 11:40AM

Econ__ wrote: »

I reckon this is part of the problem.

The board probably want to take time to develop a proper strategy and hire a DoF & manager in tandem.

If you brought in a manager with a high profile now and he did well for 6 months, the boards hands would be tied - as there would be outrage from the simpleton/casual section of the United fanbase if the strategy they devised meant not keeping on the successful interim manager - so they would be forced to bin the strategy and the club is back to square one on that front.

you bring the person in with the clear understanding that a DoF is going to be appointed in the next couple of months.

19-12-2018 11:41AM

Glad I'm still living rent free anyway

Backstreet Moyes · 19-12-2018 11:41AM

bangkok wrote: »

If ole got us top 4, he would deserve a 2 year contract based on that alone. Would be an amazing achievment.

Long term, as i dont think there will be much activity in jan, we should be looking to sign

de ligt for centre back
Ndombele for midfield
Icardi for striker

We actually have a base for a very good team.
Dalot, shaw, lindelof looks much better, pogba fred rashford martial mata

Also if de gea pushes for a move to psg, i would be offering 100m as well to get mbappe

Dalot has played a handful of games
Shaw has done well but needs to prove it over more than a few months
Not sure if your serious Lindelof
Pogba ye if he decided to bother
Fred again not sure if serious he has been awful
Rashford still very raw
Martial yes
Mata is in his 30s

We don't have a base for a very good team at all. So many average players who have failed for years, so many who are unproven and hopefully will come good and one world class player who has been below his standards this year.

jayo26 · 19-12-2018 11:44AM

Thread is a joke no matter who is in charge no one capable having a decent debate without it falling to childish levels of trash talking just go measure yourselves up and see who wins it would have the same outcome as days of debating in here.

jayo26 · 19-12-2018 11:45AM

Fred The Red wrote: »

Glad I'm still living rent free anyway

Always are pal even tho you haven't engaged over there in a while your memory lives on.

SlickRic · 19-12-2018 11:46AM

the appointment makes total sense, if the structures are being put in place for the next manager, and if a serious search is now commencing for who the next full time manager will be.

the appointment is a farce if Woodward is simply hedging his bets that Solskjaer might do ok, and he doesn't have to spend a bucketload on a Poch or Zidane come the summer.

yourdeadwright · 19-12-2018 11:46AM

The worst thing that could happen at United is Ole does quite ell and fan pressure on the board make them keep him full time,

Lets face it he's not the guy you want as a full time manager but he could do quite well from the bounce the players get from Jose leaving ,

Similar thing happened when Roy left Liverpool and Kenny done quite well and fan pressure made him get the job full time, It was mistake

Your Airbag · 19-12-2018 11:47AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

As in they could fail, thus harm their rep rather than enhance it but surely a manager would back themselves to succeed rather than fail.

The situation right now is UTD are in crisis. If Ole comes in and cant steady the ship the headlines will be it was a difficult task anyway. If he even slightly improves us he will have be seen to have done a good job.

Its a win win for him in most scenarios, unless he loses every game or something.

Personally I'm just excited to see some passes strung together and a few shots on goal.

jayo26 · 19-12-2018 11:48AM

SlickRic wrote: »

the appointment makes total sense, if the structures are being put in place for the next manager, and if a serious search is now commencing for who the next full time manager will be.

the appointment is a farce if Woodward is simply hedging his bets that Solskjaer might do ok, and he doesn't have to spend a bucketload on a Poch or Zidane come the summer.

1000 percent agree with this slick. I'd be against it if it was a case of Woodward still been the only man around the footballing side of it with any say of who the next full term manager is.

If in the next couple of months we managed to get mitchell in as technical director or whatever you want to call it then that's an excellent move by the club.

In the short term results can't get much worse we were Playing 5 at the back against the poorest teams in the league for fuk sake.

bangkok · 19-12-2018 11:49AM

Also on the DOF, there is no guarantee that that would be a success either, players signed by him could be a total failure

Spideog Rua · 19-12-2018 11:49AM

I think (hope) part of OGS/MPs brief will be an honest assessment of the players, while the structures are put back in place for the club to succeed going forward. The players will be playing for their future at the club, so I think we'll see rather more effort over the next few games.

Whatever happens, getting the structure right is vital.

Paully D · 19-12-2018 11:50AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

And if the manager they want isn't available till summer?

Appointing Ole is, to me, a clear sign that United want a manager who is in a job currently that said manager will see out the season with. Which is Poch.

If the idea is to spend the next four months focused on bringing in a DoF, playing some fun football with no pressure (cause top 4 is 99% gone) nd then bring in Poch, then I'm more than happy.

There’s no excuse for Manchester United not being able to get their man, whenever they want him.

They have unlimited resources and are arguably the most attractive job in world football.

Tell Pochettino he can take the job now or not at all. He would, but if not, fine, move on. He’d live to regret it for the rest of his days. All targets should have been sounded out before sacking Mourinho anyway.

Managers should be crawling on their hands and knees to take this job and Manchester United are one of a small handful of clubs who shouldn’t be getting dictated to regarding availability. Getting into a situation where you’re bringing in a bloke who flopped at Cardiff for a few months because he “knows the club” is an embarrassment and so small time.

Mantis Toboggan · 19-12-2018 11:53AM

bangkok wrote: »

Also on the DOF, there is no guarantee that that would be a success either, players signed by him could be a total failure

At least the DOF will be responsible and if it doesn't work out will be given the boot. Woodward cannot sack himself!

Hotblack Desiato · 19-12-2018 11:53AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Thread is a joke no matter who is in charge no one capable having a decent debate without it falling to childish levels of trash talking just go measure yourselves up and see who wins it would have the same outcome as days of debating in here.

The false dichotomies are coming thick and fast, we had the "if you don't believe Jose is the sole problem at the club you're defending him" one, now we have the "it was either Solskjaer or a top manager immediately, and what top manager would join us now" one.

Anyway, I hope he does well of course but can't say I'm optimistic. First target is another fourteen points...

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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