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Bass Reeves · 18-11-2018 10:03PM

Willfarman wrote: »

A couple of weeks back in the mart a dealer bought 5 very good growthy square friesian bullocks bar one middle of the road on bunch. Possibly some beef in their breeding to look at. 480kg @ €640.
And 4 good r+ grade very nice hairy growthy limo bullocks 440kg (weighing bad for size admittedly) €1050. His opinion. Both groups of bullocks were on the button to leave a margin but the margin will be close to the same. I wouldn’t be as much of an optimist as bass by nature and my guess would only have these friesian netting in the region €1200 next summer. The limos @ €1600.

Who can keep a cow just to produce a calf for €400. It defies logic. Unless the future is a extensive low input systems with good payments linked to the environment it is only ever going to benefit the Goodman family in its current guise.

I have one advantage the ability to put cattle to grass early. Admittedly the cattle I was csting were bought in September. Cattle have had some thrive this autumn. Cattle have put on 40-50 kgs since then. Them AA are now hitting 380 kgs and gone onto the rape. Expect them to be not much shy of 450 going to grass. My target is to kill a bit with 300 DW in July if you get a goodish spring.

In my system the friesians above are a better punt then the limo's. With a normal spring I expect them to hit 330 /340 DW in mid June. The Limo would need to kill over 400 DW to match the margin. Even if they did you have 8 friesians for 5 of the limo's

kk.man · 18-11-2018 10:40PM

Willfarman wrote: »

You’d have to budget 70 days at 3€ a day. 200€ plus mart expenses. Unless Larry gave you a price rise you wouldn’t put a packet of peanuts beside a January pint off the back of your labor.

That's true...I hate to let a 630kg animal off in the mart for that money if it was me. That's my argument.

Cavanjack · 18-11-2018 10:56PM

kk.man wrote: »

That's true...I hate to let a 630kg animal off in the mart for that money if it was me. That's my argument.

Bought a couple of good Charolais at 600kg for a hundred more than that friesian late one day at the mart. Unfortunately the way it is someone has to loose for another man to make anything and I'm not saying I'll make a pile on them.

bosallagh88 · 19-11-2018 06:54PM

ELP wrote: »

First Lm was 7/17 so hope it will do OK off grass next year at that money.
Other two are 3/18 so just off cow.
First pic is ch
Second is older lm
Third is ch and lm from this year

U got value there if they don’t leave a margin the store games a waste of time I’d say the Older heifer will do ok she looks a bigger frame for her weight was this at a Tyrone mart on Saturday. Buyers seem more cautious buying lighter weanling and stores this year seen a lot of store cattle with 2 moves making well under 2 per kg they couldn’t have left much of a margin

Bass Reeves · 19-11-2018 07:40PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Bought a couple of good Charolais at 600kg for a hundred more than that friesian late one day at the mart. Unfortunately the way it is someone has to loose for another man to make anything and I'm not saying I'll make a pile on them.

TBH most of the profit is in the buying it pays to sit on your hands a lot of the time. Bought 400ishkg Friesians in late July for around the 500 mark, they are serious cattle now. I always think stores bought in July/August leave the most margin if you can put weigh on them before housing. The same day I bought 3 very light sub 350kg Limo bullocks(s April '16 born there was no gra for them. They will go over 36 months but two will grade U its a matter of banging on weight to them and letting them grade.

charolais0153 · 19-11-2018 07:51PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

TBH most of the profit is in the buying it pays to sit on your hands a lot of the time. Bought 400ishkg Friesians in late July for around the 500 mark, they are serious cattle now. I always think stores bought in July/August leave the most margin if you can put weigh on them before housing. The same day I bought 3 very light sub 350kg Limo bullocks(s April '16 born there was no gra for them. They will go over 36 months but two will grade U its a matter of banging on weight to them and letting them grade.

A lot better value in 400kg calf in september rather than the equivalrnt in November. Cattle weigh like lead after months of spetmb3er and october

Fine Day · 17-12-2018 08:55PM

Any update on how the marts are doing.

patsy_mccabe · 17-12-2018 09:14PM

Theheff wrote: »

Any update on how the marts are doing.

They're closed till after X-mas.:rolleyes:

Pidae.m · 17-12-2018 09:20PM

Fr bull calves for nothing today in Bandon. Calves that made 80 ish last week 25 to 35 today

Muckit · 17-12-2018 09:31PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Fr bull calves for nothing today in Bandon. Calves that made 80 ish last week 25 to 35 today

Dairy lads will start fattening their own

older by the day · 17-12-2018 10:06PM

Muckit wrote: »

Dairy lads will start fattening their own

I saw 3 calfs in skibb Fri, aa bull 150, Hereford 200+, . Unfortunately weanlings were only making a small bit more, 250kg aa bull ai bred, 440 Euro. Fresian cows 3 to 4 hundred. infairness it was small. every fellow talking about the new Mart in trallee. Is it much better

Pidae.m · 17-12-2018 10:35PM

older by the day wrote: »

I saw 3 calfs in skibb Fri, aa bull 150, Hereford 200+, . Unfortunately weanlings were only making a small bit more, 250kg aa bull ai bred, 440 Euro. Fresian cows 3 to 4 hundred. infairness it was small. every fellow talking about the new Mart in trallee. Is it much better

I herd gortatlea mart is sponsoring the West cork junior football championship next year

TITANIUM. · 17-12-2018 10:51PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

I herd gortatlea mart is sponsoring the West cork junior football championship next year

Gortatlea will be sending a man to to the moon if you were to believe everything you heard about the place.

older by the day · 17-12-2018 11:04PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

I herd gortatlea mart is sponsoring the West cork junior football championship next year

There is a little shrine in every west cork village to the man. It's the only Mart I hear people talking about, he's buying them in th yard, he's arranging transport, reports of people buying cattle in skibb Mart and selling in trallee.

grange mac · 18-12-2018 12:43AM

older by the day wrote: »

There is a little shrine in every west cork village to the man. It's the only Mart I hear people talking about, he's buying them in th yard, he's arranging transport, reports of people buying cattle in skibb Mart and selling in trallee.

Know of trucks still going there every week from skibb. 3 weeks ago 70 cull cows went there from skibb....those cattle normally destined for skibb but prices not as good..when compared to GLEA..But have to know your costs...20per animal tsp plus 25kg avg weight loss as waiting soo long to be sold. I sold few there ended up bout 80head better off after costs deducted...now gap is bout 60 head diff....but if you have trace of black in weanling..GLEA not place for them .
No point in closing skibb down as would be severe loss....just hope this gets mart mgr up off his ass to sort the issue that everyone knows about.

Never wrestle with pigs · 18-12-2018 12:51AM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Fr bull calves for nothing today in Bandon. Calves that made 80 ish last week 25 to 35 today

Not so bad, finally going for what they are worth. Hopefully all bought by exporters.

jaymla627 · 18-12-2018 09:02AM

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Not so bad, finally going for what they are worth. Hopefully all bought by exporters.

Their is a lot of head in the sand stuff, of who exactly is going to take the spring flush of dairy bulls this spring, only so many will be exported and I can see shippers getting very picky choosing calves, a bobby calf scheme might be needed a lot quicker then envisioned, but this new shiny “social license” might overwhelm the vast majority of dairy lads to rear them haha

Bass Reeves · 18-12-2018 01:21PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Their is a lot of head in the sand stuff, of who exactly is going to take the spring flush of dairy bulls this spring, only so many will be exported and I can see shippers getting very picky choosing calves, a bobby calf scheme might be needed a lot quicker then envisioned, but this new shiny “social license” might overwhelm the vast majority of dairy lads to rear them haha

The only dairy bulls that are totally unviable are the JEX calves. Nearly all Friesians are viable either for export, to be carried for young bull U16 month and U24 month. or to be finished as bullocks in one form or another. Lads may cop on and pay less but there is still a market at a price. Issue will be the disposal of the extreme dairy cross breds

charolais0153 · 18-12-2018 01:28PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The only dairy bulls that are totally unviable are the JEX calves. Nearly all Friesians are viable either for export, to be carried for young bull U16 month and U24 month. or to be finished as bullocks in one form or another. Lads may cop on and pay less but there is still a market at a price. Issue will be the disposal of the extreme dairy cross breds

Fr at 16 months? Ur tbe one thats saying Theres money feeding an animal in a shed

cute geoge · 18-12-2018 01:38PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The only dairy bulls that are totally unviable are the JEX calves. Nearly all Friesians are viable either for export, to be carried for young bull U16 month and U24 month. or to be finished as bullocks in one form or another. Lads may cop on and pay less but there is still a market at a price. Issue will be the disposal of the extreme dairy cross breds

I think the problem is the export feedlots are being caught with frx calves that do not grow,they are mad for the fr bull calves but they lose money on these frx calves and it is hard to distinguish between them most of times .This is becoming a big problem for the exporters

Cavanjack · 18-12-2018 08:52PM

Money in the friesian's as long as someone makes a loss somewhere along the line. Be it the man that rears the calf and sells it as a weanling/store for less than the cost of production or the man who buys him to finish.
If the latter is to make a turn on him he won't be giving the former enough to cover his costs. If the former is to make anything the finisher has to pay too much for him.

whelan2 · 18-12-2018 08:56PM

cute geoge wrote: »

I think the problem is the export feedlots are being caught with frx calves that do not grow,they are mad for the fr bull calves but they lose money on these frx calves and it is hard to distinguish between them most of times .This is becoming a big problem for the exporters

Can they just not go onto icbf and submit the tag number?

early_riser · 18-12-2018 09:25PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Fr bull calves for nothing today in Bandon. Calves that made 80 ish last week 25 to 35 today

Wouldnt mind that the week before xmas, dealers dont want to be caught with calves over xmas until marts open again. Calves be as dear as ever again in the new year!

Pidae.m · 18-12-2018 09:27PM

early_riser wrote: »

Wouldnt mind that the week before xmas, dealers dont want to be caught with calves over xmas until marts open again. Calves be as dear as ever again in the new year!

Your probably right, for a second there I thought the €3:20/kg had knocked some sence into lads.

Danzy · 18-12-2018 09:44PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Your probably right, for a second there I thought the €3:20/kg had knocked some sence into lads.

For an industry that is full of hard noses cynics it is also a given that the price will have f all bearing on things.

Pidae.m · 18-12-2018 10:13PM

Danzy wrote: »

For an industry that is full of hard noses cynics it is also a given that the price will have f all bearing on things.

Fr cull cows are the same price as this time last year but back €150 to 200 in the factory....do the mat!

Danzy · 18-12-2018 10:38PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Fr cull cows are the same price as this time last year but back €150 to 200 in the factory....do the mat!

I know they are and looking at factory prices today and Mart prices, there is no tie in.

Though it is definitely more nuts in the calf ring.

It doesn't seem to stop people, it is a road that will run out though.

Jobs, wives,pensions etc are subsidizing the ring.

Bass Reeves · 18-12-2018 10:41PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Fr at 16 months? Ur tbe one thats saying Theres money feeding an animal in a shed

There are a fair few lads that do it. Not a huge fan as it is labour intensive at the start and capital intensive at finishing stage. Fair degree of expertise involved between buying right calf at right money and getting feeding and growth rate right. But lads that do it continue to do it year after year

whelan2 wrote: »

Can they just not go onto icbf and submit the tag number?

Too late when you have him bought.

Cavanjack · 18-12-2018 10:56PM

Danzy wrote: »

I know they are and looking at factory prices today and Mart prices, there is no tie in.

Though it is definitely more nuts in the calf ring.

It doesn't seem to stop people, it is a road that will run out though.

Jobs, wives,pensions etc are subsidizing the ring.

You forgot sfp. Without it and the pensioners the Marts would be empty. I see it every week, old lads polling other to get the nice Charolais, if they lose money on him what harm the sfp will subsidise that the land cruiser and the Ifor. The pension every week will keep the bread on the table.

Pidae.m · 18-12-2018 11:01PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

You forgot sfp. Without it and the pensioners the Marts would be empty. I see it every week, old lads polling other to get the nice Charolais, if they lose money on him what harm the sfp will subsidise that the land cruiser and the Ifor. The pension every week will keep the bread on the table.

Ha ha I've only another 29 years to go to buy Amber charolais so..... Can't wait!

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