Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 03:14PM

TheDoc wrote: »

It was a myth don't you know

Well, we didn't win the league or ever look likely, so that particular cycle is a myth. You cannot just leave a bit out because it suits a narrative.

He is done now anyway, what happens next is what is worth discussing. Please do not choose one of the ****houses in the interim. Would be peak post-Fergue United though.

nullzero · 18-12-2018 03:15PM

bangkok wrote: »

Poch is my no1 choice. Think it will be very hard to get him though

Try getting anything from Daniel Levy and you'll be left seriously out of pocket.

yourdeadwright · 18-12-2018 03:22PM

Poch is going to be difficult,

At Spurs he had his own team, a new stadium , champions league football and possible money to spend this summer , why leave ?

The answer to that is the stature of United as a club ,world wide appeal , more money to spend and higher wage but........Real Madrid will also want him in the summer and offer same but probably more than United ,

He's a fantastic coach but could prove very difficult to get,

Backstreet Moyes · 18-12-2018 03:33PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Poch is going to be difficult,

At Spurs he had his own team, a new stadium , champions league football and possible money to spend this summer , why leave ?

The answer to that is the stature of United as a club ,world wide appeal , more money to spend and higher wage but........Real Madrid will also want him in the summer and offer same but probably more than United ,

He's a fantastic coach but could prove very difficult to get,

United have a rebuilding period and it may be a few years off but he has a far better chance of winning trophies at United.

It's a no brainier to pick Madrid over us but I thought he said he would never go there over his time with Espanyol but money talks

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 03:37PM

Not sold on Poch myself but he's young enough and may have the hunger for the challenge.

Judging by these comments from earlier today he's not going anywhere soon.

Mauricio Pochettino: "There are a lot of rumours about my position as manager at Tottenham. I cannot answer this type of question. The business you know very well, a lot of rumours happen. I’m so focused in trying to deliver my best in this football club."

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 03:41PM

That is a non-answer in fairness. Not that I think he will defo come here, or even that I want him to join. But that answer rules out nothing imo

SeanJ09 · 18-12-2018 03:41PM

Hope this is the kick up the arse the players need.

Too many players at the club happy to be playing at the club because of this era of mediocrity which facilitates their stay at the club and some posting crap on Instagram and Twitter weekly despite their poor performance and league position of the team.

Would rid the club of all bar Martial, Rashford , Dalot , Bailly and De Gea. Rest are simply not fit for purpose or not worthy of a place at the club.

Whatsisname · 18-12-2018 03:43PM

Lot of reports suggest it could be Solskjaer to take over until the end of the season. Dunno how I feel about that but we haven't much left to lose at this stage.

DARK-KNIGHT · 18-12-2018 03:44PM

The relief of mourinho gone

Thank ****

Drumpot · 18-12-2018 03:46PM

I hope it’s Sam Allardyce till the end of the season for the laugh.

AGC · 18-12-2018 03:46PM

Poch has been excellent in his responses in relation to his future and very respectful towards Spurs and clubs chasing him.

If it was Blanc for 6 months I think that takes Poch out as Blanc doing well would lead to a full time contract, if it was someone like Ole I would see United going after Poch regardless how well Ole did.

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 03:46PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Lot of reports suggest it could be Solskjaer to take over until the end of the season. Dunno how I feel about that but we haven't much left to lose at this stage.

Would be happy with this. Good guy, knows the club and is not controversial. So no chance it happens.

SlickRic · 18-12-2018 03:50PM

Would Poch go to Utd with the structure as is?

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 03:56PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Would Poch go to Utd with the structure as is?

Structure is seemingly changing but how does it drastically differ from what he is working under at Spurs?

I don't know he'd want to dump them for us, but i don't see levy as the problem on it. If poch wants to come he will.

TheDoc · 18-12-2018 03:56PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Would Poch go to Utd with the structure as is?

Why not?

He would get to do what he has done at his three previous clubs, except with a **** tonne more money.

While he is a modern manager in many respects, he has an old school method in terms of being all commanding and controlling around the football matters.

That he has a tracked record of being able to manage up and have good relationships is just a bonus.

With a DOF or not, I'd say it has to be massively tempting for him.

And you can bet your bollox the club would back him with a fortune.

Liam McPoyle · 18-12-2018 04:00PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Would Poch go to Utd with the structure as is?

It could depend on what happens in the next 6 month's. If a DoF is brought in then it's a stronger possibility. Also depends who is brought on on the interim basis. One thing that could sway him to us over Madrid is that Madrid has been and always will be a circus.

interesting and exciting times ahead.

On Jose, really sorry to see it end as it has. I had thought / hoped he may have learned his lessons but he clearly hasn't. Despite him being sacked he wasn't exactly a failure. He won a trophy we had never won and got us our best league finish since Fergie. I'm sure those in here that are pulling the guts of themselves with his sacking did not celebrate winning the cups under him.

He had to go, of that there was no question. Player power along with board ineptitude as well as his own bolloxology made sure of that but for a massive failure to have two trophies in the cabinet in three years, well, I hope the next appointment is as big a failure as he was.

IncognitoMan · 18-12-2018 04:00PM

For Poch, reasons to join United :

> Can compete with any club financially. If he gets the club back to good health as well there won't be many players he won't be able to attract to it. As long as the board release those funds.

> Club has huge traditions of promoting youth which Poch seems to like to do and if you are doing that, the fans will give you time. Real Madrid fans want instant results and are probably the quickest to turn on a manager anywhere.

> The club has been massively underachieving these last few years so you would think the only way is up. Real have won 3 CL's in a row and 4 in 5 years. That squad is at the end but the fans will still expect CL success. They can only go down from 3 in row. At United play good football, finish top 4 and play some youth and he'll be given time by fans to get to a title winning side. Most fans gave Jose into his third season to get it right. LVG got two full seasons as well, both would never have got that at Real, Barca, Bayern or Juve if he had seen similar results. So United still do give more time than the other big clubs.

> His current club are going to be impacted for the next few years by the stadium, look at Arsenal when they moved. So you have a side that normally wouldn't be able to compete money wise further restricted. I think he has hit his glass ceiling at Spurs, It's almost impossible to compete with big boys now without him getting the funds to add the final pieces. The two clubs going for the title City (puke) and Liverpool (more puke) both backed their managers to get the players they needed to improve problem areas. Spurs are more focused on the stadium I think. To be fair long term that stadium will be a huge assist to them.

So I think joining United is his best move to be honest, the next step in his managerial career. Joining Real is a big risk (see Lopetegui), staying with Spurs is probably the safest move but I can't see what more he can do there.

The main problem I see with Poch to United is the United board. Will they back him enough to get to a title winning standard or will they just be happy to get back to top 4 and pull back the backing again. Does the United board look at Poch getting Spurs to CL on a smaller budget and think that's what we'd like to see.

paulbok · 18-12-2018 04:01PM

Can see Blanc be given it for now and then be made DOF in the summer.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 04:03PM

Difference between us and Spurs for Poch is he would need to deliver trophies. At Spurs getting top 4 and staying in the UCL and getting out of the group stages each season is pretty much enough to hold your job.

Adamocovic · 18-12-2018 04:03PM

I was dreading this day solely for the divide and reaction of fans in here. Been long building up to this and annoys me that rival fans are no doubt getting joy from us turning on eachother.

It's no secret that due to the history of Mourinho v United I wasn't a fan of his appointment (despite his abilit), however did try get behind him as much as possible. As much as I hate us sacking a manager mid season (even before Christmas!) it was always building up to this. I would have liked to see us continue as maybe the CL could have been a saving grace but it wasn't to be. Gary Neville was right too that the board were foolish to give him an extension and that the hunger went after.

So I'm not really sad Mourinho is gone, but rather that we find ourselves in this position again. Some may have grew to like him more and I get them being upset it didn't work. Think the majority of us all agree that he needed to be moved on, be it now or later in the season.

We probably all agree the board needs to actually build a plan and structure for success on the pitch for the club, structures are needed and clear goals defined. People will argue about the level of backing Jose received from the board but I think people on both sides of that can agree we lack structure and clear direction as a club.

After Moyes failed it is like Mourinho and LVG were both brought in as attempts to quick fix the problems. We can only hope we focus on a long-term plan and give support to a manager with a clear structure and vision in place for the club.

I really like the idea of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer stepping in as a caretaker, and even possibly getting the job as crazy as it sounds. He's managed our reserves and underage previously, legend of the club, loved by all and knows what the fans want.

Yes Cardiff was poor for him and you would be right to be sceptical with only Molde as his other experience but we've tried two successful managers now who have stepped in with their quick fixes which have not worked. I would much rather a manager with the right idea and direction given time and backing to get us on track even if he lacked the success of other high name managers who are available.

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 04:03PM

paulbok wrote: »

Can see Blanc be given it for now and then be made DOF in the summer.

Can't see us bring in a DoF with zero experience of being one, and has shown no particular interest in it.

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 04:07PM

Between solskjaer and blanc it would have to be blanc. Ole, as fond as I am, would be insane.

SlickRic · 18-12-2018 04:10PM

thanks for the replies. i was slightly concerned people thought I was taking the p, but it's a genuine question.

Poch can do what he's doing at Spurs in his sleep at this stage. what is built is built.
hit top 4.
play good football.
no actual pressure to win trophies.

at Utd, it's different. it's actually quite different being given a fúckload of money and being told to genuinely challenge for the big trophies with big players bought for big money.

it actually is a different pressure having to win.

he has it quite handy at Spurs, and is about to move into a beautiful new stadium.

yourdeadwright · 18-12-2018 04:11PM

SlickRic wrote: »

thanks for the replies. i was slightly concerned people thought I was taking the p, but it's a genuine question.

Poch can do what he's doing at Spurs in his sleep at this stage. what is built is built.
hit top 4.
play good football.
no actual pressure to win trophies.

at Utd, it's different. it's actually quite different being given a fúckload of money and being told to genuinely challenge for the big trophies with big players bought for big money.

it actually is a different pressure having to win.

he has it quite handy at Spurs, and is about to move into a beautiful new stadium.

All above also applied to Jose, who wasn't backed then ?

Adamocovic · 18-12-2018 04:11PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Difference between us and Spurs for Poch is he would need to deliver trophies. At Spurs getting top 4 and staying in the UCL and getting out of the group stages each season is pretty much enough to hold your job.

What's gas is that sort of form would have probably given the likes of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho more time at the club.

PL 2013: 7th CL: Quarter Final
PL 2014: 4th CL: (No CL Football)
PL 2015: 5th CL: Group Stage
PL 2016: 6th CL: (No CL Football)
PL 2017: 2nd CL: Round of 16
PL 2018: 6th CL: Round of 16 (Current Season)

Pretty sure consistent top 4 finishes and getting out of the group stages of the CL would be enough for them to hold onto their job with us based on the above.

SlickRic · 18-12-2018 04:12PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

All above also applied to Jose, who wasn't backed then ?

see keane2097's post.

the board would argue he was backed originally, and they probably refused to considering the big signings he'd made weren't doing the business.

I'd assume Poch comes in with a clean slate in terms of spending.

AGC · 18-12-2018 04:15PM

SlickRic wrote: »

I'd assume Poch comes in with a clean slate in terms of spending.

Whoever gets it on a permanent basis has to

Drumpot · 18-12-2018 04:16PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

So I'm not really sad Mourinho is gone, but rather that we find ourselves in this position again. .

Sums up how I feel.

I am also sad at the thought that we are relying on the same failed people at the top to make the right decisions and changes that the team needs. How can any fan be confident that they even have a plan given all we have seen over 6 years ?

Its the hope that kills you . .

Econ__ · 18-12-2018 04:20PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Would be happy with this. Good guy, knows the club and is not controversial. So no chance it happens.

Solskjaer is a proven failure as a mid level PL manager.

If Blanc is available to take the job on an interim basis, he’d be a no brainer. He actually has good experience at a high level & plays a modern, attractive style of possession football.

With Blanc, it’s conceivable that he could show enough to be kept on permanently. There’s no chance of that with Solakjaer. The caveat here is that I’m assuming there’s no back channel agreement with Poch to become manager at the end of the season. That would be the only circumstance where it would make sense to pick Solskjaer over Blanc.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 04:20PM

SlickRic wrote: »

thanks for the replies. i was slightly concerned people thought I was taking the p, but it's a genuine question.

Poch can do what he's doing at Spurs in his sleep at this stage. what is built is built.
hit top 4.
play good football.
no actual pressure to win trophies.

at Utd, it's different. it's actually quite different being given a fúckload of money and being told to genuinely challenge for the big trophies with big players bought for big money.

it actually is a different pressure having to win.

he has it quite handy at Spurs, and is about to move into a beautiful new stadium.

Adamocovic wrote: »

What's gas is that sort of form would have probably given the likes of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho more time at the club.

PL 2013: 7th CL: Quarter Final
PL 2014: 4th CL: (No CL Football)
PL 2015: 5th CL: Group Stage
PL 2016: 6th CL: (No CL Football)
PL 2017: 2nd CL: Round of 16
PL 2018: 6th CL: Round of 16 (Current Season)

Pretty sure consistent top 4 finishes and getting out of the group stages of the CL would be enough for them to hold onto their job with us based on the above.

Good points, given whats gone on with our style of football recently and the drama what Poch is doing at Spurs might give him 2+ seasons at UTD given our current state. One aspect is he seems fairly humble and respectful so lot of things would be a breath of fresh air.

Once his spend goes over a certain amount the pressure to deliver would build, but attractive football with top four would be enough for me right now and maybe some other fans too.

LVGs mission after Moyes was get us back to top four. Poch will probably get the same directives.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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