Proof Positive That The Irish Are Inherently Lefties?

ArtSmart · 16-12-2018 08:20PM #1

Came across this chart which shows the % population of Irish per state.

Fun Fact: States with higher % of Irish....are 'Blue' States (Democratic voting)

It's an almost perfect ifunction - ie, the more Republican a state, the less % of Irish are there, the more Democratic , the greater % of Irish.

And this is interesting.... English settlement first link, and Red States in the USA....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English2000.png

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/learning/red-and-blue-map-2016.html

Germans. Seem to follow Irish trends.

https://names.mongabay.com/ancestry/st-German.html

issued in June 2004

The Census Bureau defines ancestry as a person's ethnic origin, racial heritage, descent, or "roots," which may reflect their place of birth, place of birth of parents or ancestors, and ethnic identities that have evolved within the United States.

All figures come from the U.S. Census Bureau Report issued in June 2004 Irish in America: "Irish" are defined as people who marked their ethnic origin as "Irish" on the Census survey in 1990 and/or 2000.

* Highest number as percentage of region population not total population.

State/Region (2000 population)% of Region's PopulationEthnic Group Population Massachusetts (6,349,097)22.51,428,547 /Northeast.html"]Northeast *[/URL] (53,594,378)15.88,467,912 Maine

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 16-12-2018 08:26PM

A. Since when does being a Democrat equate with leftie?
B. 10 or 12% doesn't carry a State.
C. Americans 1/16th Irish claim Irish ethnicity.

mikemac2 · 16-12-2018 08:37PM

Someone better tell former house speaker Paul Ryan he was a leftie

And Mike Pence with his grandfather from Tubbercurry

Maybe 50 years ago the Irish Americans were a voting block but not anymore OP.

biko · 16-12-2018 08:39PM

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc,

16-12-2018 08:43PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Someone better tell former house speaker Paul Ryan he was a leftie

And Mike Pence with his grandfather from Tubbercurry

Maybe 50 years ago the Irish Americans were a voting block but not anymore OP.

And 50 years ago the deep south with all its segregation and racism was very much Democrat country.

ArtSmart · 16-12-2018 08:52PM

So, current USA citizens claiming Irish ancestry is proportional higher by percentage in states with a Democratic leaning.

I'm not showing how many it takes to win a state, or anything like it.

And yes, correlation does not prove causation...but neither is this a fact without meaning.

Billy86 · 16-12-2018 08:53PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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And 50 years ago the deep south with all its segregation and racism was very much Democrat country.

Which they moved away from, and which the Republican party pounced on with Nixon and Goldwater as quickly as possible, which has led us to the situation that the Republicans this year were running multiple Neo Nazis and white supremacists in their elections (which didn't go so well for them).

Either way, with their two party system the Americans essentially have a choice between centre-right (Democrats) and a cross between right wing and far right (Republican) - not a great set of options.

ArtSmart · 16-12-2018 08:55PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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And 50 years ago the deep south with all its segregation and racism was very much Democrat country.

For sure. But 'Democrat' meant something quite different back then.

Currently through convention or by design

Democrats = Left of center

Republicans = Right of Center

ArtSmart · 16-12-2018 09:01PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Which they moved away from, and which the Republican party pounced on with Nixon and Goldwater as quickly as possible, which has led us to the situation that the Republicans this year were running multiple Neo Nazis and white supremacists in their elections (which didn't go so well for them).

Either way, with their two party system the Americans essentially have a choice between centre-right (Democrats) and a cross between right wing and far right (Republican) - not a great set of options.

Nice, but I'm gonna have to move that dial a little to the left (even though from a European perspective, you're not far wrong)

touts · 16-12-2018 09:02PM

100 years of elections where the Irish people have consistently rejected left wing parties and their empty socialist myth that someone else will pay for everything.

But yea, some statistic about voting trends of people claiming Irish descent in America. Let's go with that one instead. Hoist the red flag there comrades!

ArtSmart · 16-12-2018 09:09PM

touts wrote: »

100 years of elections where the Irish people have consistently rejected left wing parties and their empty socialist myth that someone else will pay for everything.

But yea, some statistic about voting trends of people claiming Irish descent in America. Let's go with that one instead. Hoist the red flag there comrades!

Maybe...

Psychologically, I think the Irish person who emigrated, was more likely by definition of the spirit of adventure, more likely to be open-minded (AKA Leftie, he he he)
Those who were pushed, through the famine or similar, would certainly have grown to hate Imperialism (AKA Righties) and be therefore also Lefties. (Just to enlarge on that, Bostonians were furiously left wing since the Irish first landed.)

And finally, under the Catholic thumb, FF WERE seen as the far left!! lol.

Billy86 · 16-12-2018 09:31PM

ArtSmart wrote: »

Nice, but I'm gonna have to move that dial a little to the left (even though from a European perspective, you're not far wrong)

Bernie Sanders and a tiny handful of others sure, but as an overall party not at all - or at least until very recently. They would be smart to move that way though as the millennial vote is on the verge of being perhaps the biggest (boomers are dying, gen x is too small, remember millennial = 36 or younger) and last months election showed strong appetite for it even among younger voters in areas traditionally more conservative.

The irony is it was the successes of Raegan that pushed the democrats to the right. The likes of the Clinton's have a lot more in common with him than today's GOP (and i don't just mean trump).

16-12-2018 09:42PM

touts wrote: »

100 years of elections where the Irish people have consistently rejected left wing parties and their empty socialist myth that someone else will pay for everything.

As opposed to voting based on which side your grandfather fought with in the civil war?

Capt'n Midnight · 16-12-2018 11:56PM

Look at how Ireland compared to every other country in Europe.

Rolling the clock back to 1918 wouldn't change a thing.

ArtSmart · 18-12-2018 12:46AM

'Course it might just mean the Irish were more likely to settle in Democratic states because of work opportunities, or more lax emigration attitudes than down south...back in the day.

Either way, those % when compared to voting patterns, are definitely interesting. (So there!)

Laois_Man · 18-12-2018 01:05AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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And 50 years ago the deep south with all its segregation and racism was very much Democrat country.

In the 1968 election, Texas was the only southern state that voted Democrat - and that was largely because the outgoing Democrat president was a Texan!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-12-2018 01:17AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

Came across this chart which shows the % population of Irish per state.

Fun Fact: States with higher % of Irish....are 'Blue' States (Democratic voting)

It's an almost perfect ifunction - ie, the more Republican a state, the less % of Irish are there, the more Democratic , the greater % of Irish.

And this is interesting.... English settlement first link, and Red States in the USA....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English2000.png

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/learning/red-and-blue-map-2016.html

Germans. Seem to follow Irish trends.

https://names.mongabay.com/ancestry/st-German.html

issued in June 2004

The Census Bureau defines ancestry as a person's ethnic origin, racial heritage, descent, or "roots," which may reflect their place of birth, place of birth of parents or ancestors, and ethnic identities that have evolved within the United States.

All figures come from the U.S. Census Bureau Report issued in June 2004 Irish in America: "Irish" are defined as people who marked their ethnic origin as "Irish" on the Census survey in 1990 and/or 2000.

* Highest number as percentage of region population not total population.

State/Region (2000 population)% of Region's PopulationEthnic Group Population Massachusetts (6,349,097)22.51,428,547 /Northeast.html"]Northeast *[/URL] (53,594,378)15.88,467,912 Maine

Not sure if you misunderstand the word "leftie" or the word "Irish".

There's not that many people in the US who are genuinely Irish or left-leaning.

The Tetrarch · 18-12-2018 02:10AM

Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael are centre parties. We do not have a Democrat party.

Gimme A Pound · 18-12-2018 02:27AM

It's traditional for Irish Americans to vote Democrat. That stretches back to a time when the Democratic Party was anything but left-wing. Now I'm not saying that the Irish were mad racists - there was a time when they were on the receiving end of it, or at least anti Catholic sentiment, but not "lefties" either.

Joseph McCarthy was a Democrat initially - but crossed over to the other side when he was 35, so he was a Republican for the "witch hunt" years.

In Ireland itself people mostly seem to be in the centre.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 18-12-2018 03:52AM

A Democrat running in Ireland would be considered right wing.

Ultros · 18-12-2018 06:09PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Either way, with their two party system the Americans essentially have a choice between centre-right (Democrats) and a cross between right wing and far right (Republican) - not a great set of options.

Pew research says it's the Democrats who have shifted far left whilst the Republicans have remained center right. Where are you getting your talking points from?

https: //i.imgur.com /TDC83f4. png

Badly Drunk Boy · 18-12-2018 07:08PM

ArtSmart wrote: »

Either way, those % when compared to voting patterns, are definitely interesting. (So there!)

Interesting, I suppose, but far from the 'proof positive' that your thread title promises.

Stacksofwacks · 18-12-2018 07:14PM

The Democrat party is not a left wing party, it does have a progressive wing but that equates to only about 8 or 9 seats in congress. The rest are neo-liberals and moderate right wingers(In US terms). The GOP fearmongers tend to paint them as a neo marxist communist party which isnt true

ablelocks · 18-12-2018 07:29PM

huh. I thought this thread was going to be about citeogs.

Proof Positive That The Irish Are Inherently Lefties?

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