Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

Julez · 17-12-2018 03:33PM

I think we're largely going around in circles here, but does anyone disagree with the following:

Jose: Tactics, system, methods, whatever... its not working with the team and players we have.
Woodward/Board: Seems lost from a footballing perspective. Knock on throughout the whole club, academy, scouting etc. by all accounts we seem to have dropped off the pace of top clubs in favour only of commercial success
Player Quality: Far too many average players... Smalling, Young, Rojo, Darmain... Could list a good few more. In general, these players are fine squad players that every team needs, we just have too many hanging around.
Player Attitude: Some players don't really seem too arsed about how we're playing, some downed tools perhaps, a trend we saw with Moyes and LVG also.
Player Performance: Our players are playing bad. We know a lot of our players are playing worse than they technically should be. Players failing to make simple passes, things that aren't coached, just technically poor execution

TL:DR we're fooked.

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 03:34PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Well to be pretty honest fans need to get a grip. Some of the saddest things I've ever heard are the likes of Keane or Tony Pulis talk about how they behave or acted in defeat. Especially Pulis considering the amount of times he lost.

You can be a consumate proffesional and top of your craft, and yet leave your job at the door when you go home.

I'd be generally talking on deaf ears with how fickle and simple "fans" en mass can be with that sort of ****e. But it's near enough time fans start to get a grip on reality here.

Like, most of the squad was at Lingards fashion thing. If they were banging brazzers three at a time throwing charlie up their nose then yeah I might have a problem with it.

But I don't expect them to be sitting at home forehead pressed against the wall while someone hits them in the abs with a 2x4, while YNWA plays over the stereo to get them hyped about the game.

Why did Pogba stop his Instagram stuff during the World Cup if it wasn’t having some sort of negative effect on him or his team mates?

If you court attention like Pogba you will get it. When you are playing poorly you will get more negative attention relative to others. It’s that simple.

bangkok · 17-12-2018 03:36PM

Pogba wasnt even playing yesterday so not sure why he is being discussed so much.

How about discussing fellaini's embarrassing passing yesterday, lukaku's "movement and touch", joses tactics, mata's brief cameo, 5 defenders and yet no shape, as neville even said united looked like spaghetti, they were all over the place.

GSPfan · 17-12-2018 03:36PM

I am starting to believe the club is for sale. It just makes complete sense if it was. The reason no real investment went into the club in the Summer and why they are reluctant to pay off Jose would certainly make sense if the club was for sale. Why spend money before a sale when it won’t effect the sale price.
Even the stalled appointment of a DOF would possibly be another sign pointing toward decisions being deferred for new owners to deal with.

If it’s not, then it really is being ran badly.

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2018 03:42PM

GSPfan wrote: »

I am starting to believe the club is for sale. It just makes complete sense if it was. The reason no real investment went into the club in the Summer and why they are reluctant to pay off Jose would certainly make sense if the club was for sale. Why spend money before a sale when it won’t effect the sale price.
Even the stalled appointment of a DOF would possibly be another sign pointing toward decisions being deferred for new owners to deal with.

If it’s not, then it really is being ran badly.

Iv heard stories it was close to being bought almost a done deal but the murder of a certain journalist has but it on the back burner and may have scrapped it altogether ,

Is that true ? who knows

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 03:55PM

Liam O wrote: »

Not necessarily 24/7 but when the team are in the shìts, fans are upset and videos are coming thick and fast of players laughing while playing COD and opening their new clothing line it can really grate.

Mirrors the club smuggly announcing a new signing around deadline day that was a Sponcorship deal when we are desperate for squad additions.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-transfer-deadline-day-15002951.amp

Your Airbag · 17-12-2018 03:56PM

The day after a heavy defeat to our arch rivals and the majority of the talk is about Pogba, who never even set foot on the pitch.

Jose can sure work his magic, no need to talk about our fullbacks turning their back on DDG as he punted it to Lukaku or the fact Herrera was drpping back to make a 5 man defense due to zero creativity in MF or bringing Fellaini on at half time. Or Liverpools 36 shots to our 6, or the fact we've conceded as much goals at this point as all of last season.

NO, lets talk about what Pogba did in the summer or what image he has up on Instagram even though he wasn't involved yesterday.

Some people will do anything to avoid analyzing Jose's squad selection and set ups.

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2018 03:59PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

The day after a heavy defeat to our arch rivals and the majority of the talk is about Pogba, who never even set foot on the pitch.

Jose can sure work his magic, no need to talk about our fullbacks turning their back on DDG as he punted it to Lukaku or the fact Herrera was drpping back to make a 5 man defense due to zero creativity in MF or bringing Fellaini on at half time. Or Liverpools 36 shots to our 6, or the fact we've conceded as much goals at this point as all of last season.

NO, lets talk about what Pogba did in the summer or what image he has up on Instagram even though he wasn't involved yesterday.

Some people will do anything to avoid analyzing Jose's squad selection and set ups.

I think everyone knows Jose will go ,
It's just a matter if mid season or the summer
I think if your the new manger/coach the first thing you do is get rid of Pogba,
He is bad news and will overshadow the coach ,
Just get rid show your in charge early and get your own players in , no messing about ,

DM_7 · 17-12-2018 04:00PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Why did Pogba stop his Instagram stuff during the World Cup if it wasn’t having some sort of negative effect on him or his team mates?

If you court attention like Pogba you will get it. When you are playing poorly you will get more negative attention relative to others. It’s that simple.

He didn't stop though. As was pointed out to you here before.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 04:00PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Why did Pogba stop his Instagram stuff during the World Cup if it wasn’t having some sort of negative effect on him or his team mates?

If you court attention like Pogba you will get it. When you are playing poorly you will get more negative attention relative to others. It’s that simple.

Actually wasn't aware he did to be honest.

I can see why that wouldn't feed well into some fans perceptions.

Did he do that or was it a team thing or management thing?

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 04:03PM

bangkok wrote: »

Pogba wasnt even playing yesterday so not sure why he is being discussed so much.

How about discussing fellaini's embarrassing passing yesterday, lukaku's "movement and touch", joses tactics, mata's brief cameo, 5 defenders and yet no shape, as neville even said united looked like spaghetti, they were all over the place.

Because some people clinging into the notion Jose still is the right manager or can turn this around, believe he got lumped with Pogba by the marketing hungry club and if only they could get rid of Pogba, Jose could be winning titles left right and centre.

Is how I keep reading it anyway.

There is also the emotional investment that comes with someone like Mourinho. If you back someone like him, who is generally disliked or has a track record of issues or critique, you will invest so heavily, and avoid so hard to admit being wrong (as we can all be time to time) you look everywhere and anywhere for the excuse.

DM_7 · 17-12-2018 04:03PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Actually wasn't aware he did to be honest.

I can see why that wouldn't feed well into some fans perceptions.

Did he do that or was it a team thing or management thing?

He did have posts on insta during World Cup. He had Pogba Diaries (Vlog) for Fox. Had posts on Twitter.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 04:14PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think everyone knows Jose will go ,
It's just a matter if mid season or the summer
I think if your the new manger/coach the first thing you do is get rid of Pogba,
He is bad news and will overshadow the coach ,
Just get rid show your in charge early and get your own players in , no messing about ,

I doubt any new manager will shoot themselves in the foot like that and jettison a quality player like that.

A bigger message would be clearing out the likes of Jones, Young, Rojo and Valencia sending a signal mediocrity and deterioration won't be tolerated.

Clear out the obvious ****e and deadwood, then if you cant get the big and best players onside clear them out.

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 04:14PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Because some people clinging into the notion Jose still is the right manager or can turn this around, believe he got lumped with Pogba by the marketing hungry club and if only they could get rid of Pogba, Jose could be winning titles left right and centre.

Is how I keep reading it anyway.

There is also the emotional investment that comes with someone like Mourinho. If you back someone like him, who is generally disliked or has a track record of issues or critique, you will invest so heavily, and avoid so hard to admit being wrong (as we can all be time to time) you look everywhere and anywhere for the excuse.

Rossi IRL · 17-12-2018 04:19PM

DM_7 wrote: »

He didn't stop though. As was pointed out to you here before.

Don't worry, more lies will be said as fact soon enough.

We've been over this before,

A) He did post during the WC

Certain user saying he was posting has admitted he dosnt even follow him online.

Your Airbag · 17-12-2018 04:21PM

Drumpot wrote: »

You really are a tiresome poster. Pics and gifs when your blatantly called out. What TheDoc has just said, about Pogba being a marketing ploy forced on Jose, is EXACTLY what you claimed in here previously and earlier today.

Pogba was a Woodward signing that Jose didn't want and the club love his marketability was you summurization on the situation and now you plead ignorance.

The truth is Pogba was wanted by Jose as he said so at the time but its another signing that has massively regressed under Jose as the majority of the players he brought in have.

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 04:25PM

DM_7 wrote: »

He did have posts on insta during World Cup. He had Pogba Diaries (Vlog) for Fox. Had posts on Twitter.

I don’t follow him online but it was his promotional hair cuts:

Replying to one fan who wondered why he did not ‘paint’ his hair a new colour, Pogba said: “Because I wanted peace to be only focused on my performance and not my look, so there is no excuse they could only criticise the football part.”

So he wanted “peace” from unwanted attention that affected his focus. His words, not mine.....

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 04:33PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

You really are a tiresome poster. Pics and gifs when your blatantly called out. What TheDoc has just said, about Pogba being a marketing ploy forced on Jose, is EXACTLY what you claimed in here previously and earlier today.

Pogba was a Woodward signing that Jose didn't want and the club love his marketability was you summurization on the situation and now you plead ignorance.

The truth is Pogba was wanted by Jose as he said so at the time but its another signing that has massively regressed under Jose as the majority of the players he brought in have.

No, it’s Because every time I elaborate and expand on my views some people call it “mental gymnastics” or something else because they can’t or won’t comprehend the point. Gifs are just ways of saving me the hassle of wasting time trying to repeatedly correct you.

Your Airbag · 17-12-2018 04:36PM

Drumpot wrote: »

No, it’s Because every time I elaborate and expand on my views some people call it “mental gymnastics” or something else because they can’t or won’t comprehend the point. Gifs are just ways of saving me the hassle of wasting time trying to repeatedly correct you.

But you did say what the Doc just claimed some are saying, that Pogba was forced on Jose and the Glazers/Woodward want him for his commercial appeal. You can't explain that away with a "everything you said is wrong" picture because its not wrong, its a correct summary of what you said.

deaddonkey15 · 17-12-2018 04:47PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

But you did say what the Doc just claimed some are saying, that Pogba was forced on Jose and the Glazers/Woodward want him for his commercial appeal. You can't explain that away with a "everything you said is wrong" picture because its not wrong, its a correct summary of what you said.

Memes and gifs is how he usually ends arguments that he's lost.

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 04:57PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

But you did say what the Doc just claimed some are saying, that Pogba was forced on Jose and the Glazers/Woodward want him for his commercial appeal. You can't explain that away with a "everything you said is wrong" picture because its not wrong, its a correct summary of what you said.

It’s not that simple though is it?

Let’s look at it another way “Jose has spent hundreds of millions on players!”. Has he ? Has he spent that money? Has he chosen every player the club bought? No he hasn’t. But that doesn’t stop the narrative that millions have been spent “for him”.

Oh but he didn’t complain? Well he said earlier this season that he should be called a coach not a manager. That’s a direct suggestion that he’s given players And told to work with that. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have influence on signings but most definitely not “well Jose who shall we get for you?”.

Somebody mentioned that Pogba is the right player at the wrong time which is what I always felt. He is the icing on the cake, not a player who will drive a struggling team to a new level.

Pogba wasn’t bought just for marketing reasons but it played a significant part in their willingness to sign him. I think it will also play a significant role in whether the club retains him and the power the player has which can undermine any manager we get. Woodward is a marketing man who thrives on marketing. He mentioned Pogba and website traffic when the player signed. It’s not Pogbas fault but it’s a problem when we have a club in turmoil and the club is Potentially prioritizing the protection of an under performing asset because of its marketability. Look what happened Di Maria (CL player of the season I believe when we bought him) when his form fell off a cliff. He was flogged off as quickly as possible.

It was clear Jose and Pogba don’t get on and weren’t going to get on. Hell pigba went after Jose about tactics straight after the Leicester game. The club knew these two didn’t get on all summer and did nothing. I’d bet they said to player and manager “sort it out” cause they didn’t want to lose their World Cup winning Instagram sensation.

This is of course how I interpret things but how do you think it played out after tye World Cup? Do you think Jose was happy to retain Pogba? Do you think Pogba wanted to stay with united with Jose as manager? So why did the club retain both? There’s nothing that suggests Pogba and Jose wanted to work
With each other after last season so the only conclusion is the club pulled rank.

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 05:00PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Memes and gifs is how he usually ends arguments that he's lost.

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2018 05:01PM

I wonder if yesterdays MOM Fabinho had off ended up at United last summer instead of Fred ,
There where strong rumbling that Jose wanted him,
Would he have been cast aside like Fred after his struggle to adapt to the Prem in his first few months ?

Your Airbag · 17-12-2018 05:03PM

Drumpot wrote: »

It’s not that simple though is it?

Let’s look at it another way “Jose has spent hundreds of millions on players!”. Has he ? Has he spent that money? Has he chosen every player the club bought? No he hasn’t. But that doesn’t stop the narrative that millions have been spent “for him”.

Oh but he didn’t complain? Well he said earlier this season that he should be called a coach not a manager. That’s a direct suggestion that he’s given players
And told to work with that. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have influence on signings but most definitely not “well Jose who shall we get for you?”.

Somebody mentioned that Pogba is the right player at the wrong time which is what I always felt. He is the icing on the cake, not a player who will drive a team to a new level.

Pogba wasn’t bought just for marketing reasons but it played a significant part in their willingness to sign him. I think it will also play a significant role in whether the club retains him and the power the player has which can undermine any manager we get. Woodward is a marketing man who thrives on marketing. He mentioned Pogba and website traffic when the player signed. It’s not Pogbas fault but it’s a problem when we have a club in turmoil and the club is Potentially prioritizing the protection of an under performing asset because of its marketability. Look what happened Di Maria (CL player of the season I believe when we bought him) when his form fell off a cliff. He was flogged off as quickly as possible.

It was clear Jose and Pogba don’t get on and weren’t going to get on. Hell pigba went after Jose about tactics straight after the Leicester game. The club knew these two didn’t get on all summer and did nothing. I’d bet they said to player and manager “sort it out” cause they didn’t want to lose their World Cup winning Instagram sensation.

This is of course how I interpret things but how do you think it played out after tye World Cup? Do you think Jose was happy to retain Pogba? Do you think Pogba wanted to stay with united with Jose as manager? So why did the club retain both? There’s nothing that suggests Pogba and Jose wanted to work
With each other after last season so the only conclusion is the club pulled rank.

Yeah nice try, again you getting into the details of whether Pogba was forced on Jose or not and again you seem to conclude that he was.

What my last couple of replies to you were about you claiming "everything you said is wrong" via a pic when someone mentioned people thinking that Pogba was forced in but you've just made the case for it again.

So everything that poster said was not wrong, it was correct. Actually it looks like your making the case its more than one player who was forced on Jose now.

xtal191 · 17-12-2018 05:04PM

Its like we signed Sanchez and Fred just to stop City getting them

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2018 05:05PM

Drumpot wrote: »

It’s not that simple though is it?

Let’s look at it another way “Jose has spent hundreds of millions on players!”. Has he ? Has he spent that money? Has he chosen every player the club bought? No he hasn’t. But that doesn’t stop the narrative that millions have been spent “for him”.

Oh but he didn’t complain? Well he said earlier this season that he should be called a coach not a manager. That’s a direct suggestion that he’s given players And told to work with that. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have influence on signings but most definitely not “well Jose who shall we get for you?”.

Somebody mentioned that Pogba is the right player at the wrong time which is what I always felt. He is the icing on the cake, not a player who will drive a struggling team to a new level.

Pogba wasn’t bought just for marketing reasons but it played a significant part in their willingness to sign him. I think it will also play a significant role in whether the club retains him and the power the player has which can undermine any manager we get. Woodward is a marketing man who thrives on marketing. He mentioned Pogba and website traffic when the player signed. It’s not Pogbas fault but it’s a problem when we have a club in turmoil and the club is Potentially prioritizing the protection of an under performing asset because of its marketability. Look what happened Di Maria (CL player of the season I believe when we bought him) when his form fell off a cliff. He was flogged off as quickly as possible.

It was clear Jose and Pogba don’t get on and weren’t going to get on. Hell pigba went after Jose about tactics straight after the Leicester game. The club knew these two didn’t get on all summer and did nothing. I’d bet they said to player and manager “sort it out” cause they didn’t want to lose their World Cup winning Instagram sensation.

This is of course how I interpret things but how do you think it played out after tye World Cup? Do you think Jose was happy to retain Pogba? Do you think Pogba wanted to stay with united with Jose as manager? So why did the club retain both? There’s nothing that suggests Pogba and Jose wanted to work
With each other after last season so the only conclusion is the club pulled rank.

Didn't Jose say last season after United great start that Pogba was "HIS" singing ?

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 05:06PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Didn't Jose say last season after United great start that Pogba was "HIS" singing ?

I’m not sure TBH.

fatherted1969 · 17-12-2018 05:07PM

bangkok wrote: »

Pogba wasnt even playing yesterday so not sure why he is being discussed so much.

How about discussing fellaini's embarrassing passing yesterday, lukaku's "movement and touch", joses tactics, mata's brief cameo, 5 defenders and yet no shape, as neville even said united looked like spaghetti, they were all over the place.

Stop will ye ? The reason Pogba wasn't involved yesterday is because his performances were worse than the players who played against Liverpool leading up to the game. Think the discussion is a lot larger than yesterday's game to be fair

xtal191 · 17-12-2018 05:08PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Didn't Jose say last season after United great start that Pogba was "HIS" singing ?

Obviously Mourinho gave the go ahead to sign him but its also a fact that the deal was being discussed well before Mourinho was even at the club

17-12-2018 05:14PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I doubt any new manager will shoot themselves in the foot like that and jettison a quality player like that.

A bigger message would be clearing out the likes of Jones, Young, Rojo and Valencia sending a signal mediocrity and deterioration won't be tolerated.

Clear out the obvious ****e and deadwood, then if you cant get the big and best players onside clear them out.

Where should the new manager play him? He can't or doesn't want to play in the 2 deep lying midfielders and has shown that he is fairly useless being the main CAM. Multiple players bought to unlock his potential and he has only regressed.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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