Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

RobbingBandit · 17-12-2018 02:02PM

Bayern Barca or PSG I know who I wanted

threein99 · 17-12-2018 02:05PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Bayern Barca or PSG I know who I wanted

As weak as Bayern are this season we wouldnt beat either team.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 02:09PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Fair enough Pogba has an ego but I don't know why you keep beating that drum. Pogba has been cut and nothing has improved. Its still the same regressive football Jose is setting the team up to play.

This Pogba stuff is honestly some fans falling for Jose's deflection. There are many other players in the squad who look shocking too. Has Jose fallen out with everyone? People like SAF perch comments because it was directed at a rival. Jose talked about success after the Sevilla defeat and how no other managers have one as many EPL titles as him at others times. It smacks of arrogance. Its a totally different type of ego.

Pogba's been dropped and we still look clueless. Pogba is not the problem and it doesn't explain how bad everyone looks on the pitch any given week. As a variable he's been removed from the equation imo.

To be fair, the squads best player was really never the problem. He is the solution. Quicker people realise that the better.

Quicker fans realise this manager is a major problem, the big problem, the better.

IF this was happening in the Van Gaal years there would be riots. Unfortunately there is too much apathy for the fans to overly care.

And that's the hilarious part, Mourinho think the fans are with him, they arn't, they are just in the mean not arsed and waiting for you to be fired

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 02:16PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Fair enough Pogba has an ego but I don't know why you keep beating that drum. Pogba has been cut and nothing has improved. Its still the same regressive football Jose is setting the team up to play.

This Pogba stuff is honestly some fans falling for Jose's deflection. There are many other players in the squad who look shocking too. Has Jose fallen out with everyone? People like SAF perch comments because it was directed at a rival. Jose talked about success after the Sevilla defeat and how no other managers have one as many EPL titles as him at others times. It smacks of arrogance. Its a totally different type of ego.

Pogba's been dropped and we still look clueless. Pogba is not the problem and it doesn't explain how bad everyone looks on the pitch any given week. As a variable he's been removed from the equation imo.

Pogba may not be the problem but he’s not been helpful or part of the solution either. Whether you think Jose is the problem or not , Pogbas performances warranted being dropped after months of really apathetic displays and his public displays of dissension that Jose took too long to address IMO. If matic is playing poor he’s still trying for the team and getting in tackles. I’d say it’s more a confidence issue with matic and deeper issues with Pogba with his relationship with the manager being a bigger problem. (That’s not blaming Pogba, it’s just differentiating why Pogbas performances are suffering more).

Strip aside whether you think the manager is to blame or not. If you are a manager and have a player like Pogba you have to drop him nkt because you are right but because he’s not reacting to anything else. He’s not giving much to the team, publicly attack’s the managers tactics and hasn’t been offering an awful lot for months. The only surprise to me was how long it took Jose to drop him.

It looked like Pogba was a Woodward pet project to a degree and he was being protected during his public outbursts and lethargic displays. I think this is possibly some of the dislike of Pogba in that the owners most definitely love the marketing potential of Pogba and it does feel like he gets more power as a result. This may not be true but it wouldn’t be difficult to see how it could be true.

17-12-2018 02:20PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t watch Pogbas or Ronaldo’s marketing stuff so I wasn’t being specific. I was commenting on how you can market yourself once it doesn’t effect your football. When you are playing poorly people will use that against you which won’t help.

Ronaldo would do a lot during the summer I think but the stories about him being hours early and staying hours late mean that he is in no way neglecting his football.

I remember one of the criticisms of LeBron James was that despite the fact he is like the architype (if that's a word) basketball player and had all of the physical gifts and talent in the world was that he didn't have that killer instinct. The feeling that if he had to push his grandmother out of the way to win a game that he would be too nice. Cue him losing in a few NBA Finals and he cut out anything that was going to prevent him winning championships. Joined the best team amid a heap of criticism and you got that feeling that he was only there to win and be the best.

Jose has that killer instinct in spades and I feel as though he can almost smell it in players. Look at his favourites, Drogba, Lampard and Terry would have all probably given their left but for a trophy. The players he has fallen out with like Hazard and Ozil(despite obviously getting great performances out of them) were because they weren't as committed as they should have been and the players themselves have admitted this.

Pogba is somewhat similar to early LeBron in that he has everything to be the best but you feel it's water off a duck's back for him if he loses so long as the money piles in, he is the centre of attention and promotion is based around him. The problem being that losing and medicrity will eventually affect the image. So it has come to a head and has destroyed the team.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 02:24PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I think this is possibly some of the dislike of Pogba in that the owners most definitely love the marketing potential of Pogba and it does feel like he gets more power as a result. This may not be true but it wouldn’t be difficult to see how it could be true.

I don't get why all the added **** gets lumped onto Pogba. OR he gets labelled some marketing project. People watch football outside of United matches right?

We bought an absolute monster midfielder and the longer he has been "coached" by Mourinho the worse he has got, which can be said for most of the squad.

This isn't a problem character or loose cannon. This is a tremendous footballer playing muck, and the manager can't fix it, and the player can't fix it himself. And this is why you have coaches and managers even at the highest level, and you arn't left to figure it out yourself.

I'd imagine not just Pogba, plenty of players there, are a combination of absolute rage and exasperation watching time slip by in their careers with this wandering mess

SlickRic · 17-12-2018 02:25PM

that was among the top 2 or 3 worst United teams I've seen play Liverpool I'm afraid.

Mourinho would be sacked if money wasn't involved.

it's astounding that he's still there, despite what anyone feels about how culpable he is for the current malaise.

even if his sacking in isolation wouldn't fix the deeper problems, him still being there is a selfish, cowardly act by the board.

it should be over.

Harry Palmr · 17-12-2018 02:37PM

Money? United could settle the account 100 times over. There must be more to it than that. Is there a legally binding clause in play which mean he cannot be sacked until everything is beyond the side this season (except maybe the FA Cup which might not be considered of any real importance in the scheme of things).

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 02:39PM

SlickRic wrote: »

that was among the top 2 or 3 worst United teams I've seen play Liverpool I'm afraid.

Mourinho would be sacked if money wasn't involved.

it's astounding that he's still there, despite what anyone feels about how culpable he is for the current malaise.

even if his sacking in isolation wouldn't fix the deeper problems, him still being there is a selfish, cowardly act by the board.

it should be over.

In fairness I'd prefer if they keep him in situ until they have a proper replacement candidate. And not just fire him, then get tied into someone they dont really want, but is just available.

I'd imagine there is potential for a managerial shuffle this summer around Europe, hopefully we come up trumps

Mitch Connor · 17-12-2018 02:43PM

Have to say I'm just exhausted by it all.

The problems are meriad and generally obvious, but the club doesn't have the ambition or care to do anything about it.

There is no point in discussing anything anymore. Nothing has changed in months, it's the same people talking about the same problems every day. There is no room for further insight. We all see the problems.

If the club don't care enough to do anything about it I can't care enough to even offer an opinion any more.

It's a sh1t club, with sh1t owners, manager and players. We're finished as an entity of any importance. It's done, it's gone too far and money is all anyone at the club cares about.

fatherted1969 · 17-12-2018 02:44PM

Pogba should be fooked out with the reserves and be allowed nowhere near the squad imo. Seems like a petulant immature lad going by what I've seen. This player should be leading and driving his players based on his ability and instead we see a player who looks like he couldn't give a flying fook win lose or draw. Such a negative influence in the dressing room at the moment

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 02:44PM

Weepsie wrote: »

He was not a monster of a midfielder. He was a very raw and technically talented footballer who played with one of the most gifted midfield players (Pirlo) of the last 25 years and an tireless workhorse (Vidal).

Been down this road so many times before. Look if that's your take ok, plenty of people agree with you.

I'd argue the issue is not who is beside Pogba or alongside him, it's whats going on in front of him.

Vidal and Pirlo where not the reason Pogba excelled. The players in front of him and the way that team attacked and was coached was the reason he excelled.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 02:47PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Pogba should be fooked out with the reserves and be allowed nowhere near the squad imo. Seems like a petulant immature lad going by what I've seen. This player should be leading and driving his players based on his ability and instead we see a player who looks like he couldn't give a flying fook win lose or draw. Such a negative influence in the dressing room at the moment

Generally players who are unfairly marginalised, criticized and used as the deflection piece by an under performing manager, tend to not be operating at optimal performance. And the harmony in the dressing room normally comes from other players not feeling comfortable at the situation, or wondering what the manager is trying to achieve.

Can tell you that as someone who has been in a dressing room where its happened, both as the by stander and as the protagonist.

I've seen nothing to indicate Pogba has been anything other than professional during all of this. Him playing **** is not him being immature or unproffesional at the situation. His interviews are the least I'd expect from a player probably seething at his ability and career being dragged through the mud to suit some has been trying to save face

Your Airbag · 17-12-2018 02:47PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Have to say I'm just exhausted by it all.

The problems are meriad and generally obvious, but the club doesn't have the ambition or care to do anything about it.

There is no point in discussing anything anymore. Nothing has changed in months, it's the same people talking about the same problems every day. There is no room for further insight. We all see the problems.

If the club don't care enough to do anything about it I can't care enough to even offer an opinion any more.

It's a sh1t club, with sh1t owners, manager and players. We're finished as an entity of any importance. It's done, it's gone too far and money is all anyone at the club cares about.

Tell us how you really feel Mitch :pac:

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 02:52PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Have to say I'm just exhausted by it all.

The problems are meriad and generally obvious, but the club doesn't have the ambition or care to do anything about it.

There is no point in discussing anything anymore. Nothing has changed in months, it's the same people talking about the same problems every day. There is no room for further insight. We all see the problems.

If the club don't care enough to do anything about it I can't care enough to even offer an opinion any more.

It's a sh1t club, with sh1t owners, manager and players. We're finished as an entity of any importance. It's done, it's gone too far and money is all anyone at the club cares about.

Just play the waiting game man. It's what I'm doing.

Look at Arsenal, you would have thought it would have taken years to fix that malaise. One good coach with an idea and plan, and look how they have turned around in half a season.

The fix can be as quick as the rot that was allowed set in, in some cases faster.

BenK · 17-12-2018 03:00PM

The complete inertia and apathy around the club at the moment is amazing. No one seems to care anymore. While Jose needs to go, it's hard to get too excited by a new manager because the same ****e players and board will be there.

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 03:01PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Generally players who are unfairly marginalised, criticized and used as the deflection piece by an under performing manager, tend to not be operating at optimal performance. And the harmony in the dressing room normally comes from other players not feeling comfortable at the situation, or wondering what the manager is trying to achieve.

Can tell you that as someone who has been in a dressing room where its happened, both as the by stander and as the protagonist.

I've seen nothing to indicate Pogba has been anything other than professional during all of this. Him playing **** is not him being immature or unproffesional at the situation. His interviews are the least I'd expect from a player probably seething at his ability and career being dragged through the mud to suit some has been trying to save face

How has he been professional? Genuinely interested to see what you see in his behavior (bashing tactics in media), his marketing stuff (stopping it for France in his own admission to stop negative focus from his marketing but won’t for united) and his performances that indicate he’s being professional? I think Schweinstager was the height of professional when he was treated awful by Jose, but I can’t see any similarities with how Pogba has reacted

17-12-2018 03:02PM

TheDoc wrote: »

In fairness I'd prefer if they keep him in situ until they have a proper replacement candidate. And not just fire him, then get tied into someone they dont really want, but is just available.

I'd imagine there is potential for a managerial shuffle this summer around Europe, hopefully we come up trumps

Pogba has both gained and lost my admiration in his time at United. Didn't think much of him at Juve and thought that while obviously talented, could be flaky and drift out of games, not what you want from your base midfielder.

He had some good-great games in his first season and was doing things I was crying out for a United midfielder to do for years. He then started off his 2nd season looking like a monster in the 2nd midfielder position. I thought that this was it, get Mata/Lingard in front of him and the results would flow and at the start it looked like that was the idea.

Stories started coming out that he felt it wasn't his best position and he likes to be the one scoring and creating goals.

These whispers grew as he became more and more lazy with regards his defensive duties and the team's performances against so called inferior opposition suffered greatly because of the increased effort those teams were showing. Jose was never going to respond well to something like that. At that point I was definitely on team Pogba and would make the same excuses that he needed to be played as the third midfielder.

José then eventually gives in and plays Pogba in that position that he was supposed to be world class in. Only the performances didn't improve. If anything because there was one fewer creative player on the pitch the attack grinded to a standstill. Pogba letting players walk by him if he lost the ball (an increasingly regular occurrence as he had less space in the further forward position) and bar the City game where he scored a couple of goals from crosses after another abject half of play there was no improvement.

This season I thought that he had the chance to prove everyone wrong. Instead he regressed even further and whatever about José, if Pogba had any pride in himself those 5 yard passes that he's misplaced and done nothing to recover from wouldn't happen. He's been given chances this season to show the player that he's supposed to be but has in no way taken them.

This mythical new manager who is going to be different to the other 3, where does he play Pogba and how does he get the best out of him? Can't put him in a near-pefect team as he is in with France so what changes? I don't see how United can pin their hopes on this guy again?

Mitch Connor · 17-12-2018 03:06PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Just play the waiting game man. It's what I'm doing.

Look at Arsenal, you would have thought it would have taken years to fix that malaise. One good coach with an idea and plan, and look how they have turned around in half a season.

The fix can be as quick as the rot that was allowed set in, in some cases faster.

But the club show no intention at all to replace Jose. The owners have continually shown they don't care about winning.

Nothing will change under their ownership. They don't understand football. They don't care about the team they don't care about the fans. Their attitude trickles all the way down. United is the result of the limit of their care and ambition.

DM_7 · 17-12-2018 03:10PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I don't get why all the added **** gets lumped onto Pogba. OR he gets labelled some marketing project. People watch football outside of United matches right?

We bought an absolute monster midfielder and the longer he has been "coached" by Mourinho the worse he has got, which can be said for most of the squad.

This isn't a problem character or loose cannon. This is a tremendous footballer playing muck, and the manager can't fix it, and the player can't fix it himself. And this is why you have coaches and managers even at the highest level, and you arn't left to figure it out yourself.

I'd imagine not just Pogba, plenty of players there, are a combination of absolute rage and exasperation watching time slip by in their careers with this wandering mess

Pogba was 23 returning to OT. He was doing well because of his obvious skills but also because of playing in a quality side that was coached well.

He was not ready to lead other players, he did not have enough experience and needed a coach to bring him on. It is clear he did not got and or did not accept the coaching he got at United.

Compare him to Zlatan who showed up at OT with all the ability and experience to do the job required. Pogba never had that and was treated by his manager as if he had the intelligence only available through experience to take on so many roles.

Wrong player, wrong manager, wrong club in the circumstances.

Ronaldo at OT was genuinely drilled day in and day out to become a superstar as SAF saw it in him. I think Jose treated Pogba like he was ready (when he never was) and has punished him for not living up to what Jose expected.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 03:13PM

Drumpot wrote: »

How has he been professional? Genuinely interested to see what you see in his behavior (bashing tactics in media), his marketing stuff (stopping it for France in his own admission to stop negative focus from his marketing but won’t for united) and his performances that indicate he’s being professional? I think Schweinstager was the height of professional when he was treated awful by Jose, but I can’t see any similarities with how Pogba has reacted

There is a lot of pretty obvious stuff that happens that's generally a sign of a problem player causing ****.

Pogba has done interviews himself, which isn't the norm for slating the manager or tactics. Is it great, probably not, do I've respect he's done it and put his name to it instead of through an agent or a paper, yeah I do to be honest.

There has been little to no indication he's a problem individual, or causing problems in the dressing room or not training properly or any of that stuff. If anything it's interesting to see all the dressing room stories that fire out in defence of Pogba. And if your interested in the web of journalists and their ties( which I am) you see it's other players that do that.

Look people will take the marketing or hair stuff as a problem or not. I sit firmly in the camp of it not being a problem and being comfortable in separating the work players do outside of their time at training and matches and their own time. And I generally don't hold footballers to a higher standard that I wouldn't expect from myself.

I've never subscribed to the "oh but they earn all the monies, they needs to be football 24/7"

Your Airbag · 17-12-2018 03:18PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But the club show no intention at all to replace Jose. The owners have continually shown they don't care about winning.

Nothing will change under their ownership. They don't understand football. They don't care about the team they don't care about the fans. Their attitude trickles all the way down. United is the result of the limit of their care and ambition.

Wenger was allowed to stay at AFC way to long though. Must like Jose is now Wenger wasn't evolving to the league that was changing around him and besides the odd FA cup triumph they failed in Europe and hadn't won a league title in 14 years.

They were much slower to act than our board.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 03:20PM

Liam O wrote: »

This mythical new manager who is going to be different to the other 3, where does he play Pogba and how does he get the best out of him? Can't put him in a near-pefect team as he is in with France so what changes? I don't see how United can pin their hopes on this guy again?

Well hopefully this new mythical manager has some notion of how to coach and orchestrate a team. And by having an attacking structure and pattern, Pogba can actually go and do what he does. Drive through midfield, play people through, get us on the front foot, connect to the attcking line, break into the box, you name it.

Just look at the fella. Whatever about someone having played midfield, but anyone who just watches football, how can you not watch that team and feel nothing by massive sympathy for Lukaku and Pogba, two of our most malinged players.

No idea what people expect. Like what exactly should Pogba be doing to justify his personality, hair and money in peoples eyes?

Dribble past an opposing midfield and defence and slot one into the corner, and when he gets tired just start beating the midfield and launch rockets into the top corner.

He's not perfect, but he looks exasperated more often then not and I see why, The team is a shambles around him, and he rightly or wrongly, feels he has to do everything himself.

He is the spark and tick in our team, when he plays well we play well, when he's bad we are bad, when we are awful we are terrible. That's a pretty big burden in Sunday league football, nevermind at one of the biggest clubs in the world, in one of the biggest leagues where its the most competitive.

I guess he expects some resemblance of help?

As you mentioned last season he did look incredible starting off, up until he got injured as far as I can recall. And I also remember at the time Lukaku being quality, Mhikitaryian was lighting our eyes up with how he was playing and Mata was also starting.

But now we can firmly look back in that it was a bunch of players bang in form, but operating in spite of any direction, or without any direction, and not executing any type of plan or idea. They just all happened to click.

That period shouldn't be forgotten as a reminder for not only what this team could have achieved, but still can, if they had a manager who had a ****ing clue what he was doing

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2018 03:21PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t watch Pogbas or Ronaldo’s marketing stuff so I wasn’t being specific. I was commenting on how you can market yourself once it doesn’t effect your football. When you are playing poorly people will use that against you which won’t help.

That is very true,
Another difference is Ronaldo instagram is managed by some one else ( like a lot of players) as he doesn't have time for it as he concentrates on football firstly ,

Pogba's Instagram is managed by himself, recording himself doing patta cake in the teams changing room

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 03:22PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But the club show no intention at all to replace Jose. The owners have continually shown they don't care about winning.

Nothing will change under their ownership. They don't understand football. They don't care about the team they don't care about the fans. Their attitude trickles all the way down. United is the result of the limit of their care and ambition.

They don't want to get deeply involved, thats different from not caring at all.

All they've ever known was working with Ferguson who ran the entire club top to bottom. While they should change, I'm not shocked they havn't.

And when they look at someone like Pochetino, doing it at another club who are surging, maybe they don't feel the infrastructures are broken, they feel the manager is broken.

Not saying I agree, just saying I could maybe see why they are reluctant for a massive upheaval. Like it worked for the best part of two decades, maybe they think they just need another Ferguson type.

17-12-2018 03:23PM

TheDoc wrote: »

There is a lot of pretty obvious stuff that happens that's generally a sign of a problem player causing ****.

Pogba has done interviews himself, which isn't the norm for slating the manager or tactics. Is it great, probably not, do I've respect he's done it and put his name to it instead of through an agent or a paper, yeah I do to be honest.

There has been little to no indication he's a problem individual, or causing problems in the dressing room or not training properly or any of that stuff. If anything it's interesting to see all the dressing room stories that fire out in defence of Pogba. And if your interested in the web of journalists and their ties( which I am) you see it's other players that do that.

Look people will take the marketing or hair stuff as a problem or not. I sit firmly in the camp of it not being a problem and being comfortable in separating the work players do outside of their time at training and matches and their own time. And I generally don't hold footballers to a higher standard that I wouldn't expect from myself.

I've never subscribed to the "oh but they earn all the monies, they needs to be football 24/7"

Not necessarily 24/7 but when the team are in the shìts, fans are upset and videos are coming thick and fast of players laughing while playing COD and opening their new clothing line it can really grate.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 03:25PM

DM_7 wrote: »

Pogba was 23 returning to OT. He was doing well because of his obvious skills but also because of playing in a quality side that was coached well.

He was not ready to lead other players, he did not have enough experience and needed a coach to bring him on. It is clear he did not got and or did not accept the coaching he got at United.

Compare him to Zlatan who showed up at OT with all the ability and experience to do the job required. Pogba never had that and was treated by his manager as if he had the intelligence only available through experience to take on so many roles.

Wrong player, wrong manager, wrong club in the circumstances.

Ronaldo at OT was genuinely drilled day in and day out to become a superstar as SAF saw it in him. I think Jose treated Pogba like he was ready (when he never was) and has punished him for not living up to what Jose expected.

Or maybe Pogba is a leader, and the manager doesn't like what that leadership does? Or maybe Pogba can't bring himself to be a conduit for the style or ideas the manager has that he doesn't believe in?

Who the **** knows, likely we won't ever know the truth as usual.

I believe Pogba is the right player at the right club, and a good manager would have him absolutely smashing this league into pieces. Firmly believe under Klopp, Poch or Pep Pogba would be one of if not the best player in the league.

I can only hope for our sake we ditch Jose quick enough so that we a) Don't lose Pogba or b) Totally break him

Drumpot · 17-12-2018 03:25PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But the club show no intention at all to replace Jose. The owners have continually shown they don't care about winning.

Nothing will change under their ownership. They don't understand football. They don't care about the team they don't care about the fans. Their attitude trickles all the way down. United is the result of the limit of their care and ambition.

That’s it in a nutshell.

Jose is the perfect manager for the owners. He’s a fantastic human shield because he divides opinions. Sure look at us all arguing about him here, while we are arguing about him we aren’t looking at the deeper issues that exist with or without Jose.

Jose was never the right manager for united, I think we all knew that but if it meant a league title many people didn’t care. We were promoted as a club with attacking instincts/culture, a proud youth policy and a desire to be the leading club. Jose only fits one of those criteria when you are signing him (his record of top honors was impeccable before he joined).

I was chatting with a spurs friend last night and we were chatting about what spurs do right. He said they balance the books well but don’t focus on the bottom line at the expense of the footballing side of things if they can help it. Their priorities are not financial, it’s about financial prudency, not primarily profits. Remember , for all the talk of spurs not spending, they’ve just invested hundreds of millions on a new stadium so it’s not that they were just taking out profits from the club.

We have owners who are money people that only care about profits. Like banks who are practically annoyed when bank customers (a nuisance) come into their branches, I’d say our owners are equally annoyed that their cash cow doesn’t just keep making them money like the SAF years when it was a golden goose ATM. They had no real influence on the footballing side of things and this divide worked better. SAF have the authority to run it as he wished , once he did it within the budget. As soon as their man, Woodward, was able to influence football matters this separation of finance and football ceased.

I’m as disillusioned as any other united fan. I don’t see Jose getting sacked as much of a positive because we are left with the same people making calls on managers and players who ultimately have cultivated the culture we see at the club now.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 03:28PM

Liam O wrote: »

Not necessarily 24/7 but when the team are in the shìts, fans are upset and videos are coming thick and fast of players laughing while playing COD and opening their new clothing line it can really grate.

Well to be pretty honest fans need to get a grip. Some of the saddest things I've ever heard are the likes of Keane or Tony Pulis talk about how they behave or acted in defeat. Especially Pulis considering the amount of times he lost.

You can be a consumate proffesional and top of your craft, and yet leave your job at the door when you go home.

I'd be generally talking on deaf ears with how fickle and simple "fans" en mass can be with that sort of ****e. But it's near enough time fans start to get a grip on reality here. Like, most of the squad was at Lingards fashion thing. If they were banging brazzers three at a time throwing charlie up their nose then yeah I might have a problem with it.

But I don't expect them to be sitting at home forehead pressed against the wall while someone hits them in the abs with a 2x4, while YNWA plays over the stereo to get them hyped about the game.

And look at a point in time I probably went into fowlers when United lost. But then I got over it. If anything it was ridiculous when I stepped back and looked at it. But you go to bed you wake up and it might gnaw at you but you can't let it consume you. Christ like there is a reason the cliche in football "looking to the next game" exists. It's a psychological mechanism circulated in high performance sports of not just a concentration mechanism, but a coping mechanism.

TheDoc · 17-12-2018 03:32PM

I should clarify, I see the stuff some of our players do and sure it grates. But thats more because I think they are twonks or fools. I don't tie it into some larger football narrative of " oh that's a reason why X".

I'm generally more "Lingard is a bit of a twat". And that's that.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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