Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

Quandary · 16-12-2018 03:17PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

If United want a world class midfielder they need to get the best out of Pogba.

Pogba has been played in front of the back 4, that didn't work, he was played in a midfield 2, that didn't work, he was played in a midfield 3 in his self proclaimed favourite position as the left sided midfielder with very little defensive responsibility to facilitate his ability to create, that didn't work. He was also given the captaincy, a clear show of faith by his manager, and that didn't work.

Mourinho is a done deal at this stage, it's only a matter of whether the board have the balls to sack him now or let the club rot for another few months when the season becomes a complete embarrassment, but he cannot be held to account for Pogbas lack of professionalism.

Pogba has been indulged in almost every conceivable way and he still acts like a petulant child, ambling around the pitch.

I hope he is bounced out the door along with Mourinho. He doesn't deserve to wear that jersey.

LiamoSail · 16-12-2018 03:19PM

nullzero wrote: »

OK, we'll hold onto him until a new manager arrives to "get the best" out of him.
He can't complete simple five yard passes, who is to blame for that?

I don't know. But someone at united should surely be trying to figure out what Juve did that United aren't doing which facilitied/harnessed Pogba's obvious ability.

Either that or just decide he's ****e and throw money at a replacement of lesser ability without rectifying whatever it is at united that's causing players to perform so far below their potential

bangkok · 16-12-2018 03:20PM

Liverpool v man utd in just over an hour and all the talk is about pogba..... i hope he doesnt start so theres more to talk about than just pogba

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 16-12-2018 03:21PM

bangkok wrote: »

Liverpool v man utd in just over an hour and all the talk is about pogba..... i hope he doesnt start so theres more to talk about than just pogba

No ALL the talk isn’t about him.

How Soon Is Now · 16-12-2018 03:22PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

No ALL the talk isn’t about him.

If there was a way to ban any mention of him in here I would!

nullzero · 16-12-2018 03:23PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

I don't know. But someone at united should surely be trying to figure out what Juve did that United aren't doing which facilitied/harnessed Pogba's obvious ability

Juve play in much less competitive league in which the tempo of the game is completely different (slower) and he could get away with not being focused. I'm sure if he goes to Spain or back to Italy he'll look a different player. Man City are perhaps the only Premier league side that could afford to indulge Pogba, he isn't cut out for the English game plain and simple, and judging by his performance on Wednesday night against a frankly terrible Valencia side it's not a done deal that he's cut out for anything anymore.

Rayne Wooney · 16-12-2018 03:23PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again! Some of these bluffers at our club have seen off Moyes AND LVG and look like they’ll see of José now too. At what point do they need to look at them self and do the board need to see these characters aren’t upto it?

It’ll take 4 managers before the unconverted see the light unfortunately, we’ll probably be a long way down the path of no return at that point

LiamoSail · 16-12-2018 03:29PM

Quandary wrote: »

Pogba has been played in front of the back 4, that didn't work, he was played in a midfield 2, that didn't work, he was played in a midfield 3 in his self proclaimed favourite position as the left sided midfielder with very little defensive responsibility to facilitate his ability to create, that didn't work. He was also given the captaincy, a clear show of faith by his manager, and that didn't work.

Mourinho is a done deal at this stage, it's only a matter of whether the board have the balls to sack him now or let the club rot for another few months when the season becomes a complete embarrassment, but he cannot be held to account for Pogbas lack of professionalism.

Pogba has been indulged in almost every conceivable way and he still acts like a petulant child, ambling around the pitch.

I hope he is bounced out the door along with Mourinho. He doesn't deserve to wear that jersey.

Who cares what he deserves? It's about what you can get out of your asset, not appeasing a desire for moral justice.

Maybe the issue isn't his position? I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but there's obviously something wrong that could be rectified.

As you say, Mourinho's jackets on a shoddy peg. Surely it'd be best for United to keep hold of him and see if another manager can make him the player he was at Juve?

Pogba's far from the only player who seems to have regressed. That points to a process issue rather than an individual one

Trigger · 16-12-2018 03:32PM

bangkok wrote: »

Liverpool v man utd in just over an hour and all the talk is about pogba..... i hope he doesnt start so theres more to talk about than just pogba

You mean you hope you don't start so you can post on boards during the match surely

LiamoSail · 16-12-2018 03:33PM

nullzero wrote: »

Juve play in much less competitive league in which the tempo of the game is completely different (slower) and he could get away with not being focused. I'm sure if he goes to Spain or back to Italy he'll look a different player. Man City are perhaps the only Premier league side that could afford to indulge Pogba, he isn't cut out for the English game plain and simple, and judging by his performance on Wednesday night against a frankly terrible Valencia side it's not a done deal that he's cut out for anything anymore.

Ok. So sell him and buy a lesser talented replacement.

Who's to say the replacement won't go the way of Pogba, Sanchez, Matic, Lukaku, Mikyaterian (sp) et al and regress significantly?

Or maybe seek to identify/rectify the issue before throwing more good money after bad.

jayo26 · 16-12-2018 03:34PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

No ALL the talk isn’t about him.

It is when your settings are filtered for the keyword "pogba"

16-12-2018 03:35PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Who cares what he deserves? It's about what you can get out of your asset, not appeasing a desire for moral justice.

Maybe the issue isn't his position? I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but there's obviously something wrong that could be rectified.

As you say, Mourinho's jackets on a shoddy peg. Surely it'd be best for United to keep hold of him and see if another manager can make him the player he was at Juve?

Pogba's far from the only player who seems to have regressed. That points to a process issue rather than an individual one

All you arguments for keeping pogba could be used for jose too

Quandary · 16-12-2018 03:43PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Who cares what he deserves? It's about what you can get out of your asset, not appeasing a desire for moral justice.

Maybe the issue isn't his position? I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but there's obviously something wrong that could be rectified.

As you say, Mourinho's jackets on a shoddy peg. Surely it'd be best for United to keep hold of him and see if another manager can make him the player he was at Juve?

Pogba's far from the only player who seems to have regressed. That points to a process issue rather than an individual one

Nothing to do with moral justice. He is a poisonous influence on the players around him, particularly younger players. He obviously is a popular figure who carries sway in the dressing room, he wouldnt have been given the captaincy otherwise. If I was an incoming Utd manager I would not want to work with a player who conducts himself like Pogba does.

Right now, if you asked Jurgen Klopp would he swap 32 year old James Milner for 25 year old Paul Pogba he would most likely laugh at you. Effort and attitude come before everything else imo.

If a new Utd manager wanted to give Pogba a chance to show his worth then fair enough, but the slightest sniff of what we have seen this season in terms of his attitude, effort, professionalism and he should be fired out the door.

Lots of players are underperforming at Utd, and that buck stops at the managers door, but no player has shown the same levels of petulance, and lack of professionalism as Pogba. In my opinion that cant be tolerated at a club.

bangkok · 16-12-2018 03:52PM

MrMac84 wrote: »

No ALL the talk isn’t about him.

95% of it has been. Every post apart from 1 since i said it has been about pogba

How Soon Is Now · 16-12-2018 03:58PM

He who shall not be mentioned is on the bench.

xtal191 · 16-12-2018 04:00PM

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1074318323612028928

How Soon Is Now · 16-12-2018 04:01PM

Lindelof back from the dead? Lol

Rossi IRL · 16-12-2018 04:02PM

5221 formation with

De Gea

Dalot-Darmian-Lindeloff-Smalling-Young

Matic-Herrera

Lingard-Rashford
Lukaku

Could get overrun in midfield here

16-12-2018 04:02PM

Lukaku starts so we are playing with 10 men

Mitch Connor · 16-12-2018 04:03PM

As predicted, 5 at the back.

Fck Mourinho, hope he gets fired tonight. Embarrassing coward.

Mitch Connor · 16-12-2018 04:05PM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

5221 formation with

De Gea

Dalot-Darmian-Lindeloff-Smalling-Young

Matic-Herrera

Lingard-Rashford
Lukaku

Could get overrun in midfield here

Lingard will be part of a midfield three imo.

Glad I have to be elsewhere today, its going to be a bloodbath.

J. Marston · 16-12-2018 04:06PM

Will watch until we're 2-0 down, then it goes off.

Rayne Wooney · 16-12-2018 04:06PM

Best team we could put out under the circumstances.

From my first reading of it I think it could be Lingard in the CAM role and Rashford playing beside Lukaku with two wingbacks.

limnam · 16-12-2018 04:07PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

As predicted, 5 at the back.

Fck Mourinho, hope he gets fired tonight. Embarrassing coward.

Grow up this is way OTT.

Man united manager goes defensive at anfield, shock horror.

IT's like it's never happened before.

Rossi IRL · 16-12-2018 04:07PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Lingard will be part of a midfield three imo.

Glad I have to be elsewhere today, its going to be a bloodbath.

Yeah probably will be a three

Or the two of them will become extra wingbacks.

I feel bad for Herrera today, has to play against a midfield 3 that has plenty of running in it and he is suppose to do the work of Matic aswell.

Mitch Connor · 16-12-2018 04:08PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Best team we could put out under the circumstances.

From my first reading of it I think it could be Lingard in the CAM role and Rashford playing beside Lukaku with two wingbacks.

Nah, it's not.

GSPfan · 16-12-2018 04:10PM

This Southampton v Arsenal match is great. Both teams flying at each other.

16-12-2018 04:10PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Nah, it's not.

From whats available whats better given Some on the bench are coming back from injuries

How Soon Is Now · 16-12-2018 04:14PM

GSPfan wrote: »

This Southampton v Arsenal match is great. Both teams flying at each other.

Lol knew as soon as I bet on Arsenal Liverpool and Chelsea to win there be few **** ups!

16-12-2018 04:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From whats available whats better given Some on the bench are coming back from injuries

Mata isn't, Pogba isn't, Bailly isn't. There are worse players in all of their positions.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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