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Penalty for Refusing Jobpath

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  • #152
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Many firemen are not full time. They work when they're called upon but most have other jobs that are obliged to let them leave.



    When there's that many complaints? It's hard to be dismissed

    lot of complaints alright from people online who are talking about being forced to get a job.................. I mean wtf they expect people to actually get a job?


  • #153
    Samsgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I see a lot of people claiming rubbish about them. Harassing your employer? how exactly? What would they do? prank calls, pooh in a bag of fire? Loads of people say their employer is being harassed but I cant see anyone saying how exactly.

    If you would take the extra days what exactly are you annoyed about going to jobpath then? surely they will help you?


    I will tell you how.

    I had the misfortune to be signing on for Job seekers for maybe 10 weeks in 2017. Six weeks in I was referred to this shower.

    Before ever I finished in my previous employment I had been interviewed by a local authority and was placed fairly high on a panel and was waiting to take up employment.

    Why was I on job seekers when I was almost guaranteed a job? No contract was signed and I was still keeping my options open and looking for a suitable job in case the panel was dissolved before I was offered a job.

    Meanwhile I attended maybe two meetings with Turas Nua. What a shower of imbiciles is all I can say. Eventually I got my offer from the local authority and started work. No sooner had I signed off with sw and my phone and email were hoping will calls and emails from these eejets looking for details so they could claim their palcement fee for 'finding' me a job.
    I blocked them from my phone and diverted their emails to spam.

    BUT, somehow they found out where I was working ( have requested this under gdpr and they have yet to fullfil this request) and harrassed the HR Dept about my contract, salary and hours.

    Unfortunately HR did acknowledge them and they got their money but I am in dispute with them. A friend who had a similar experience received a letter from them saying that once you are in their books they are entitled to claim a placement fee even if you source your own employment.

    A shower of unprofessional leeches is all they are. Masking the true unemployment figures and ripping off the tax payer with false placement fees.


  • #154
    Samsgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Why are they ringing them? Even if they are I fail to see that as harassment. Big claim. I am an employer and if someone rang me to ask if so and so is working for me I would just answer. I dont think I would feel harassed in any way.

    Who cares if they set it up or not? If they were helping me even as little as with cv's then what do I care if they "set up" the job or not? Why would I give a toss. I would have a job.

    18% of people referred to them have long term jobs. Is that not good considering the amount of rubbish that is talked about them and the amount of people dodging work

    If someone rang you asking if someone is working there and you give out those details you are in breech of gdpr.


  • #155
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Samsgirl wrote: »
    I will tell you how.

    I had the misfortune to be signing on for Job seekers for maybe 10 weeks in 2017. Six weeks in I was referred to this shower.

    Before ever I finished in my previous employment I had been interviewed by a local authority and was placed fairly high on a panel and was waiting to take up employment.

    Why was I on job seekers when I was almost guaranteed a job? No contract was signed and I was still keeping my options open and looking for a suitable job in case the panel was dissolved before I was offered a job.

    Meanwhile I attended maybe two meetings with Turas Nua. What a shower of imbiciles is all I can say. Eventually I got my offer from the local authority and started work. No sooner had I signed off with sw and my phone and email were hoping will calls and emails from these eejets looking for details so they could claim their palcement fee for 'finding' me a job.
    I blocked them from my phone and diverted their emails to spam.

    BUT, somehow they found out where I was working ( have requested this under gdpr and they have yet to fullfil this request) and harrassed the HR Dept about my contract, salary and hours.

    Unfortunately HR did acknowledge them and they got their money but I am in dispute with them. A friend who had a similar experience received a letter from them saying that once you are in their books they are entitled to claim a placement fee even if you source your own employment.

    A shower of unprofessional leeches is all they are. Masking the true unemployment figures and ripping off the tax payer with false placement fees.

    Turas nua? I assume that is another one of the jobpath crowds? please excuse my ignorance.

    The fact that your HR did acknowledge them shows that companies really dont care about this and its only a few people with bad attitudes (and you are coming across that way) that for some reason find it an insult that the SW outsource helping people get into employment. So you got your own job thats great. But your trying to get a victory over them for some reason thinking that they dont actually help anyone.

    Do you think that people who are lets say a few years out of work, should have help to get back to work? Or should we as a society just let them alone and get a job when they are good and ready?
    Samsgirl wrote: »
    If someone rang you asking if someone is working there and you give out those details you are in breech of gdpr.

    They are able to find out through revenue where you are working as the social welfare and revenue etc is all linked. Them asking are you working full time is not breaching and GDPR. You my friend sound like someone with a major chip. I mean ffs if you answered your phone to them they probably wouldnt have needed to call the HR. But yea you go ahead and "beat the system" who all I can see is just getting people into work. Whether they like it or not.

    To be honest I think if someone is long term unemployed they should get nothing. By all means look for a job in your field but if you cant get one then you need to look at the any job is a job scenario because thats life.


  • #156
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,431 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Just reading through the thread and there's a simple answer to all those crying about 'right's' and 'the drain on the taxpayer from the private company' (also please see a dictionary for the definition of irony).

    If you don't want to be signed up to Jobpath, then sign off the live register or change your payment from Jobseekers allowance.

    JA is SUPPOSED to be paid to those who are willing and looking for employment, which is what Jobpath (Seetec and Turas Nua) assist with.

    If you are not willing to seek employment and don't want to be hassled by either of these agencies, then you shouldn't be on JA, and should apply for Disability Allowance.

    There is currently no other way around it other than.... Well... getting employment.


    I will say that their practice of badgering a person with follow up calls and wanting to speak to their employer once they have gained employment is downright wrong, but in these cases you should always report them to your local social welfare office and cease contact immediately. If it persists there's also the route of the Gardai for harassment.


    I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the companies dealing with long term unemployed (which is what JA is) at all though.

    What's the alternative? 6 FAS courses and a CE scheme later and the person is still on the rock and roll, and with the hand out for another course or two they'll likely never utilise.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling, State Benefits



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  • #157
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Necro wrote:
    I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the companies dealing with long term unemployed (which is what JA is) at all though.


    They have an 18% success rate. Surely a success rate that low indicates the company in itself is ineffective and needs an overhaul?


  • #158
    Samsgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Turas nua? I assume that is another one of the jobpath crowds? please excuse my ignorance.

    The fact that your HR did acknowledge them shows that companies really dont care about this and its only a few people with bad attitudes (and you are coming across that way) that for some reason find it an insult that the SW outsource helping people get into employment. So you got your own job thats great. But your trying to get a victory over them for some reason thinking that they dont actually help anyone.

    Do you think that people who are lets say a few years out of work, should have help to get back to work? Or should we as a society just let them alone and get a job when they are good and ready?



    They are able to find out through revenue where you are working as the social welfare and revenue etc is all linked. Them asking are you working full time is not breaching and GDPR. You my friend sound like someone with a major chip. I mean ffs if you answered your phone to them they probably wouldnt have needed to call the HR. But yea you go ahead and "beat the system" who all I can see is just getting people into work. Whether they like it or not.

    To be honest I think if someone is long term unemployed they should get nothing. By all means look for a job in your field but if you cant get one then you need to look at the any job is a job scenario because thats life.


    The fact that my. HR Dept gave out that information to them has nothing to do with them caring or not caring. It's the public sector, it's incompetence.

    Revenue did not divulge any information to them as I asked them and they said no, it would be a data breech. And I didn't tell social welfare where as was working as the didn't want to or need to know.

    I have zero chips, thank you. I am incredibly happy. Nor am I your friend. To be honest, you are the one with the bee in their bonnet about then. Read the thread about them on the State Benefits thread and you will see many more have had similar experiences.

    The notion that the are there to help the long term unemploymed is ludicrous. They go after the people who have just finished a role ie in my case 6 weeks.

    Too hungover to debate the rest of your post but I do disagree with it.


  • #159
    Johnnycanyon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Johnnycanyon


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Why are they ringing them? Even if they are I fail to see that as harassment. Big claim. I am an employer and if someone rang me to ask if so and so is working for me I would just answer. I dont think I would feel harassed in any way.

    Who cares if they set it up or not? If they were helping me even as little as with cv's then what do I care if they "set up" the job or not? Why would I give a toss. I would have a job.

    18% of people referred to them have long term jobs. Is that not good considering the amount of rubbish that is talked about them and the amount of people dodging work

    They are phoning people's employers to claim their commission off SW.. I actually got my own job which had nothing to do with TN so they had no idea where I was working,or so I thought until they started phoning my boss..He hadn't a clue who they were so wouldn't give out any info about me. I wonder did they still get their couple of thousand euro commission of taxpayers money?


  • #160
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Samsgirl wrote:
    The notion that the are there to help the long term unemploymed is ludicrous. They go after the people who have just finished a role ie in my case 6 weeks.


    You said 10 weeks last time now your saying 6. Hmmm

    Also i doubt they pick and choose who goes to them. I am petty sure it is social welfare who choose.

    At he end of the day its this simple

    You ask for job seekers allowance and in return you agree that you will seek full time work and take up any job or help to get a job that the social welfare provide.

    Its in their basic t&c's. I've been there myself. Many have. The faux outrage is usually from people who think they should be allowed to get the dole and not have to prove they are looking for work. You want jsa thats fine. But your looking for work and will accept help like it or not.

    As for private companies. Ive said it a few times, who gives a toss if they are private or taking credit for jobs they didnt get? If you have a job it shouldnt matter one bit. They are a necessary entity because there are loads of people unemployed more than "6/10 weeks" that do need help to get back to work.

    All these figures about their low success rate is probably to do with people who do not want help or to actually work. Of course they are going to see some sort of resistance from wasters. Not saying all social welfare recipients are wasters of course. But a really big number are unfortunately.


  • #161
    Samsgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    Mr.H wrote: »
    You said 10 weeks last time now your saying 6. Hmmm

    Also i doubt they pick and choose who goes to them. I am petty sure it is social welfare who choose.

    At he end of the day its this simple

    You ask for job seekers allowance and in return you agree that you will seek full time work and take up any job or help to get a job that the social welfare provide.

    Its in their basic t&c's. I've been there myself. Many have. The faux outrage is usually from people who think they should be allowed to get the dole and not have to prove they are looking for work. You want jsa thats fine. But your looking for work and will accept help like it or not.

    As for private companies. Ive said it a few times, who gives a toss if they are private or taking credit for jobs they didnt get? If you have a job it shouldnt matter one bit. They are a necessary entity because there are loads of people unemployed more than "6/10 weeks" that do need help to get back to work.

    All these figures about their low success rate is probably to do with people who do not want help or to actually work. Of course they are going to see some sort of resistance from wasters. Not saying all social welfare recipients are wasters of course. But a really big number are unfortunately.

    I actually said maybe 10 weeks.
    As for the rest.......


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  • #162
    Johnnycanyon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Johnnycanyon


    I think TN should be there for those who wish to avail of their services. For me a man of 60 who has worked in many many jobs since I was 16 in Ireland UK and Europe the last thing I needed was a young girl barely out of school telling me how to get a job. Also their threatening tone does nothing to instill confidence in them, regularly reminding people that they will be docked or cut off their money if they don't do this or that.. Even the first day ,the so called "Welcome day" they had a sour faced old harridan from SW reminding everyone of the consequences if they do not tow the line.. I mean people are not stupid and don't need to be treated like school kids or imbeciles. I am so glad to be away from them and pity anybody who has to endure this degradation and insult to their intelligence..


  • #163
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Johnnycanyon wrote: »
    I think TN should be there for those who wish to avail of their services. For me a man of 60 who has worked in many many jobs since I was 16 in Ireland UK and Europe the last thing I needed was a young girl barely out of school telling me how to get a job. Also their threatening tone does nothing to instill confidence in them, regularly reminding people that they will be docked or cut off their money if they don't do this or that.. Even the first day ,the so called "Welcome day" they had a sour faced old harridan from SW reminding everyone of the consequences if they do not tow the line.. I mean people are not stupid and don't need to be treated like school kids or imbeciles. I am so glad to be away from them and pity anybody who has to endure this degradation and insult to their intelligence..

    So what about people who dont wish to avail?

    What about people who are happy doing nothing and claiming JSA?

    Of course you have to "tow the line". Its simple. You want JSA and you have signed a contract with SW to take up any job offers or help to find a job.

    Although it would be great if we could just get job seekers allowance and find a job when we are good and ready wouldnt it


  • #164
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Also what is this about jobsplus that they are talking about? since I didnt know anything about this job path I have been googling it. They give employers a grant of up to 10k for taking on a person full time???????????? wtf? that is amazing. Why wouldnt every employer not want to know about that? Before I said I wouldnt care if they rang me. Now I am thinking why are they not calling me and giving me 10k


  • #165
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Mr.H wrote: »
    So what about people who dont wish to avail?

    What about people who are happy doing nothing and claiming JSA?

    Of course you have to "tow the line". Its simple. You want JSA and you have signed a contract with SW to take up any job offers or help to find a job.

    Although it would be great if we could just get job seekers allowance and find a job when we are good and ready wouldnt it


    You are aware that there aren't as many of these people as you seem to believe there are? For someone who self admits they know very little about how the social welfare system works, you seem to have some very big (and ignorant) opinions on it.


  • #166
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Also what is this about jobsplus that they are talking about? since I didnt know anything about this job path I have been googling it. They give employers a grant of up to 10k for taking on a person full time???????????? wtf? that is amazing. Why wouldnt every employer not want to know about that? Before I said I wouldnt care if they rang me. Now I am thinking why are they not calling me and giving me 10k




    Jobplus is not Jobpath


  • #167
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    They have an 18% success rate. Surely a success rate that low indicates the company in itself is ineffective and needs an overhaul?

    Their success is not really measured by how many people referred to them find work.

    It's disincentivising people to see claiming JA as a lifestyle choice, which is a lot harder to measure.

    Judging by how much they get people's backs up, it seems to me they're doing pretty well.


  • #168
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    You are aware that there aren't as many of these people as you seem to believe there are? For someone who self admits they know very little about how the social welfare system works, you seem to have some very big (and ignorant) opinions on it.

    I dont claim to be an expert other than spending a couple of years on JSA myself at one stage.

    but the fact remains, there is a lot of people on JSA for over 3/4 years and that is an issue. The OP ffs has been claiming for at least 4 years. if there are lots of people who are unemployed for over 4 years then they obviously need help. Either they dont want to work or they for some reason are having a lot of bad luck looking so need help.

    So can you point to what I am saying in this post as incorrect?

    Not ignorance. just stating facts


  • #169
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Nermal wrote: »
    Their success is not really measured by how many people referred to them find work.

    It's disincentivising people to see claiming JA as a lifestyle choice, which is a lot harder to measure.

    Judging by how much they get people's backs up, it seems to me they're doing pretty well.


    Considering that is their role, and that is what they are getting paid to do, surely that's what they should be measured on.


  • #170
    Johnnycanyon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Johnnycanyon


    Mr.H wrote: »
    So what about people who dont wish to avail?

    What about people who are happy doing nothing and claiming JSA?

    Of course you have to "tow the line". Its simple. You want JSA and you have signed a contract with SW to take up any job offers or help to find a job.

    Although it would be great if we could just get job seekers allowance and find a job when we are good and ready wouldnt it

    There always was and always will be people who never want to work, what to do with them ? I don't know. There are these types of people around where I live and to be honest I don't think anyone would give them a job.. However my tow the line comment was to highlight the constant threats coming from TN, I know as does the vast majority of people who sign on that you have to be available and looking for work..When people sign this on signing up, and then every time they visit the SW office they understand what it means and don't need to have it rammed down their necks by TN staff.People (the vast majority of) are not stupid.


  • #171
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Jobplus is not Jobpath

    Just looked at the TN website and they claim to administer Jobsplus. Maybe its just that they help facilitate the service but thats a pretty good idea


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  • #172
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I dont claim to be an expert other than spending a couple of years on JSA myself at one stage.

    but the fact remains, there is a lot of people on JSA for over 3/4 years and that is an issue. The OP ffs has been claiming for at least 4 years. if there are lots of people who are unemployed for over 4 years then they obviously need help. Either they dont want to work or they for some reason are having a lot of bad luck looking so need help.

    So can you point to what I am saying in this post as incorrect?

    Not ignorance. just stating facts


    There's a few, yes. JobPath, as you know, target people from any stage, though they claim it's over a year. Almost all of your posts on this thread directed to me have made things up about me to justify your own opinion. You can't claim that that is not ignorance. You also have no idea how many people are on JS over 4 years, but given your tendency to continue on stating things as fact, even when you have been told otherwise, I'm sure you have a figure in your head that constitutes a lot.

    Yes, there are people in this country that don't want to work and for some reason unknown to me, want to stay on JS. JobPath isn't going to matter much to these people.


  • #173
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Johnnycanyon wrote: »
    There always was and always will be people who never want to work, what to do with them ? I don't know. There are these types of people around where I live and to be honest I don't think anyone would give them a job.. However my tow the line comment was to highlight the constant threats coming from TN, I know as does the vast majority of people who sign on that you have to be available and looking for work..When people sign this on signing up, and then every time they visit the SW office they understand what it means and don't need to have it rammed down their necks by TN staff.People (the vast majority of) are not stupid.

    this time last year over 10,000 people under the age of 25 were considered long term unemployed (over 12 months)*. That is a lot of people who either cant or wont work.

    Surely services like Seetec are needed in this case? Giving them the "option" is not an option. These kids need a kick up the arse to get a job. So while I have every sympathy for a 60 year old lady who has worked all her life, being sent to them. I have no sympathy for these young lads and ladies being forced to go there. 10k under the age of 25 are getting JSA for over 12 months???? Seriously how can anyone pretend we dont need jobpath

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/more-than-10-000-under-25s-now-among-long-term-unemployed-1.3319388


  • #174
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    There's a few, yes. JobPath, as you know, target people from any stage, though they claim it's over a year. Almost all of your posts on this thread directed to me have made things up about me to justify your own opinion. You can't claim that that is not ignorance. You also have no idea how many people are on JS over 4 years, but given your tendency to continue on stating things as fact, even when you have been told otherwise, I'm sure you have a figure in your head that constitutes a lot.

    Yes, there are people in this country that don't want to work and for some reason unknown to me, want to stay on JS. JobPath isn't going to matter much to these people.

    This is true but I do know how many people under the age of 25 are claiming JSA for over 12 months

    10 thousand!!!


  • #175
    stateofflux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    The whole thing is a farce. Did not work in UK and they stopped doing it

    Im fully employed for years now but annoyed that im paying for these costly 'activation' UK companies hired to massage govt. job creation figures.

    its obvious to me from this recent article that its not viable based on its initial objective

    https://www.thejournal.ie/jobpath-fees-4367277-Nov2018/


  • #176
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Mr.H wrote: »
    this time last year over 10,000 people under the age of 25 were considered long term unemployed (over 12 months)*. That is a lot of people who either cant or wont work.

    Surely services like Seetec are needed in this case? Giving them the "option" is not an option. These kids need a kick up the arse to get a job. So while I have every sympathy for a 60 year old lady who has worked all her life, being sent to them. I have no sympathy for these young lads and ladies being forced to go there. 10k under the age of 25 are getting JSA for over 12 months???? Seriously how can anyone pretend we dont need jobpath

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/more-than-10-000-under-25s-now-among-long-term-unemployed-1.3319388




    That article is from a year ago


    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisternovember2018/


    https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/youth-unemployment-rate


  • #177
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    stateofflux wrote:
    Im fully employed for years now but annoyed that im paying for these costly 'activation' UK companies hired to massage govt. job creation figures.


    I thought someone said the activation fee was 300. Thats one and a half weeks jsa. Surely if they bring someone 2 weeks closer to a job either by helping them or annoying them, then its worth it?

    Would you prefer to pay 10,000 young people (under 25) to sit at home for over a year?


  • #178
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Ave Sodalis wrote:
    That article is from a year ago

    I know. I said in my post that it was this time last year indicating that the figure was a year ago.

    Ok so it was last year. If the figure has fallen then the system is obviously working.

    I cant see the new figure but it did say that claiments under 25 have fallen by 5000 (actually 4597 or something like that but im rounding up which helps massage your numbers more than mine).

    So lets say 5k and pretend that every single one of those was long term unemployed. Then lets pretend my article didnt say over 10k under 25's. That means 9500 people under 25 are on jsa for at least 12 months right this second.

    How is that not more of an issue than paying a company to either help the ones that need it or force the lazy ones?


  • #179
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Mr.H wrote:
    I cant see the new figure but it did say that claiments under 25 have fallen by 5000 (actually 4597 or something like that but im rounding up which helps massage your numbers more than mine).

    Your posts are incredibly patronising, you know that?
    Mr.H wrote:
    So lets say 5k and pretend that every single one of those was long term unemployed. Then lets pretend my article didnt say over 10k under 25's. That means 9500 people under 25 are on jsa for at least 12 months right this second.

    Why would we pretend that every single one of them are long term unemployed? Again, making things up to suit your narrative, and then getting offended at the stuff you just made up.


  • #180
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Ave Sodalis wrote:
    Why would we pretend that every single one of them are long term unemployed? Again, making things up to suit your narrative, and then getting offended at the stuff you just made up.

    Read it again. I said lets pretend the 5k people who are no longer on JA were long term unemployed. That was suiting your narrative. The figure helps you not me. If it was lets say 3k that were only unemployed who signes off that means 2k less comes off my 10k figure from last year.......

    Anyway upon looking at the figured you provided it turns out 20,000 people under the age of 25 are on JA (just shy of 10k of these long term of course)

    In fact almost 90,000 people are considered long term unemployed. How is that not a bigger issue to people?

    90k people are struggling to find work


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  • #181
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Ave Sodalis wrote:
    Your posts are incredibly patronising, you know that?


    Sorry if i am coming across that way. Not easy to show context when making a point. I really dont mean to be patronising.


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