Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

8-10 wrote: »

True but I meant the starting point would be 5 consecutive seasons of scoring co-efficient points. Right now we only have 2 meaning that we're still counting a year of Zero points in the calculation for the next few years. Teams above us like Porto for instance have been getting less points than us in a single season but they're counting the extra year because the consistently qualify and score points so we won't realistically overtake them until we also have 5 consecutive years.

But yes you are correct, we have started, we're just carrying a zero season for a while more. Another CL final appearance would help!

Talisman wrote: »

Klopp has spoken about this several times - he gets very animated when Henderson goes forward. Breaking forward and harrying the opposition is part of his natural game but Klopp wants him to hold back and recycle possession, his instructions are to let the other midfield players be the runners.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Do we though ???

I don't think we need it from our 6,

Because our CB split and full backs push on we need our 6 needs to be a tackler and good at recycling the ball quickly and short, With the ability to cover ground quickly ,heading ability helps as other than the CB we are a small team. Sounds like Hendo and Fab doesn't it ,


Xabi had Masch for dirty work here, If we play a Xabi like player at 6 we need to change how we play,
Look at Jorghino at Chelsea the most Xabi like player you could find, He wouldn't suit how we play he'd make us more venerable because of how we set up

FitzShane wrote: »

There was some stat going around a few weeks ago regarding Keita and how we create more chances & score more goals while he is on the pitch - anyone have a link to that or know what exactly it was?

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Possibly because he seems to only play against the smaller teams, He is yet to impact a big game

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He missed a few sitter against Spurs but played ok, Chelsea he wasn't trusted to stat the Prem game ,

He was very good v Burnley but needs to start doing it weekly and In big games, Very interesting to see our midfield on Sunday ,

Its a game the manger will want to win more than any other Prem game,so his starting 11 will say a lot ,

For years Liverpool have sought to emulate Manchester United’s mind-boggling commercial success, yearning to boast as much clout off the pitch. And yet, at Anfield on Sunday, it will be the visitors who will feel they have much to learn from the structure put in place by their hosts.

Envious glances will not only be cast towards Mohamed Salah, Virgil van Dijk and Jürgen Klopp, but will extend, too, to Michael Edwards.

Edwards is the man who stitched into the smallprint of Philippe Coutinho’s £142 million move to Barcelona a £100 million surcharge should the Catalans return for any other Liverpool player before 2020 and who secured Naby Keïta’s arrival 12 months in advance to ward off other suitors.

The “anti-Arsenal” clause reputed to have been included in Roberto Firmino’s contract when he signed, a response to the Londoners’ failed bid for Luis Suárez, has never been confirmed nor denied but now seems the sort of out-of-the-box thinking that is protecting Liverpool and propelling them forward.

So while Klopp is central to a bubbling renaissance, the work of sporting director Edwards, together with his close-knit team of scouts and analysts, is also playing a crucial role in the club punching its weight once again.

The Liverpool side who have scaled to the summit of the Premier League do not boast by chance the third youngest starting XI in the top flight, a line-up that can grow with the manager as the nucleus is contracted to 2023-2024 with no buy-out clauses.

It is a model that offers food for thought for United who have spent hundreds of millions of pounds over recent seasons without an overarching figure pulling all the necessary strands together and ensuring mistakes are kept to a minimum.

At Old Trafford, the set-up pits manager José Mourinho with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward, and espouses a short-term approach where options are triggered on contracts to delay the threat of players walking out on free transfers.

Edwards, who played for Norwich City as a schoolboy and then for Peterborough United reserves, shuns the spotlight and never gives interviews. But his rise to eminence is rooted in his work as performance analyst when Harry Redknapp was at Portsmouth.

“We worked on putting presentations together for the upcoming game and Michael also gave in-depth analysis on players that the club may have been interested in,” Joe Jordan, Redknapp’s trusted assistant, told The Times.

“He had a playing career himself and I have always thought he is a good judge of a player. But it is not simply that. There are thousands of players out there and he does his homework.

“Michael doesn’t take any shortcuts. He makes sure when a player has been brought to his attention that he looks into it and gets his facts and figures right. He wants to make sure that if he is putting forward that player to the manager, all the information is in place.”

Edwards followed Redknapp and Jordan to Tottenham Hotspur as head of performance analysis where he struck up a relationship with Daniel Levy and was asked to reshape, and run, the entire department.

He was subsequently headhunted by Damien Comolli, Liverpool’s first ever sporting director, in 2012. Promotions to the role of director of technical performance and then technical director followed by August 2015 and he became sporting director himself in November of the following year.

Part of the 39-year-old’s remit is Liverpool’s medium and long-term strategy with his brief including scouting, the academy, medical, research, player liaison and performance analysis. He is the key figure at Melwood to whom staff turn without knocking on Klopp’s door every five minutes.

The system has not always run smoothly. Tensions with Brendan Rodgers led to disharmony and mistakes — the success of Coutinho’s arrival undermined by that of Christian Benteke, for example.

An improvement owes much to Klopp, who was accustomed to working with a sporting director at Borussia Dortmund, embracing a policy that has three fundamental rules.

Firstly, a player will not be signed if the manager does not want him and, secondly, owners Fenway Sports Group have the right to say “no”. So, if the manager wants to buy a 29-year-old for £40 million and FSG don’t want to spend that amount on someone whose career could be dead in the water in three years’ time, then that is their choice.

The final tenet relates to constantly keeping up to date with the transfer market, spotting opportunities, assessing availability, which in turn guides purchases and sales.

The evolution of FSG’s transfer strategy, a switch from targeting potential to proven talent and embracing the financial demands attuned to that, has also been transformative, although whether the club would have signed Alisson Becker for £65 million had Nabil Fekir not failed a medical on a £53 million from Olympique Lyons is unclear.

Yet there is still a difference between spending money and spending wisely. Liverpool have also sold well.

Their three-year spend from 2016 to the summer of 2018 is £390 million. Sales from the same period have raised £26 5million, bringing a net spend of £125 million. Estimated net spend figures over the same period put Manchester United at £300 million, Manchester City £358 million and Arsenal £140 million.

For United, the way forward feels complicated. Mourinho does not appear to be averse to receiving more help and the appointment of a sporting director has been mooted. His comments on the capture of Diogo Dalot, the exciting right-back, struck a chord following on from the praise handed to the West Ham United scout behind the signing of Issa Diop after he starred in United’s 3-1 defeat at the London Stadium in September.

“I’m not a scout,” Mourinho said. “I have no chance to do that. I can do it with Dalot because he is Portuguese. I can control that market pretty well. He’s a player with fantastic potential.”

Yet the sporting director model cannot prosper if the incumbent is simply the manager’s man because, then, he becomes another salary with little value.

“Michael is brilliant at taking all of the information from the scouts who have been watching games, all the analytics, and pulling that together,” said one source familiar with the Liverpool set-up. “But his character means he can be quite argumentative as well and that’s healthy.

“He will stand his ground if he really believes in something: ‘Here are the three targets. I know you like that one better, but let us show why you might want to think about this.’

“It is not to be disrespectful but he will say [to the manager], ‘You are wrong’. You need arguments to get the best for the club. The role is not about just agreeing with everything.”

This challenges the image of a laptop geek and Klopp has publicly acknowledged the recruitment team pushed for him to sign Salah in the summer of 2017 before and after his preferred option, Bayer Leverkusen’s Julian Brandt, opted against a move to Merseyside.

After ups and downs, Liverpool are clearly benefiting from a framework painstakingly put in place and United must decide how long they can wait before following suit.

“Nowadays it is different to 20 years ago,” says Jordan. “Then, the manager, or coach, would finish training, jump in a car and pop up to Lancashire, for example, to look at a player.

“It doesn’t happen as much now because that player is playing for Cologne or in Buenos Aires. The work that gets done in the background is enormous to try and ensure the manager can do his job on the training pitch with the players he wants.

“Michael is very professional and does the job properly.”

Edwards is on a rolling contract. He is happy at Liverpool, but it might be worth updating with an anti-United clause.

The key figures in Liverpool’s think-tank

Jürgen Klopp Liverpool manager The German is receptive to the sporting director model. His office is opposite that of Edwards.

Mike Gordon The Fenway Sports Group president He and Edwards are in daily contact.

Dave Fallows Head of recruitment His strengths lie in strategy and he manages the scouting department on a daily basis.

Barry Hunter Chief scout He was behind the signings of Joe Gomez from Charlton Athletic for £3.5 million and the highly-rated 16-year-old Ki-Jana Hoever, who joined from Ajax in September. He arrived from Manchester City with Fallows in 2012.

Ian Graham Director of research He heads up a team of four PHD graduates with backgrounds ranging in astrophysics to physics and advanced maths. Responsible for all data that helps to drive decision making.

Julian Ward Oversees care of players on loan Other clubs have now created similar positions and adopt similar deal concepts from Liverpool with cost of loan decreasing as appearances rise.