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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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  • #7082
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭xtal191


    https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1072241767628591105

    https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1072242335516409857


  • #7083
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,640 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    No love for Ruud

    Rooney is the top scorer but no one else was such a prolific scorer in such a short amount of games regardless of his issues with CR7 we would be bailed out big time with Ruud Van Nistelrooy in the team now.


  • #7084
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    pjohnson wrote: »
    De Bruyne got 16 assists last year, 18 the year before that. He almost matches Pogba's 90+ games record in a single season :pac:



    But Bangkok did say it would be more but for Lukaku's touch and Rashfords finishing so the excuse WAS prebuilt into it.

    Its hardly an excuse and comparing to city is silly really considering they scored over 100 goals last season


  • #7085
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Understat.com xgstats have Dalot, Martial, Sanchez, Mata, Herrera, Lingard, Fred and Young with a higher expected assist per 90 then Pogba

    What exactly is higher expected assist??


  • #7086
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Understat.com xgstats have Dalot, Martial, Sanchez, Mata, Herrera, Lingard, Fred and Young with a higher expected assist per 90 then Pogba

    Surprising.


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  • #7087
    Zeek12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Watford 2-1 up at Goodison


    A result that would keep us in the Top 6 :)


  • #7088
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,870 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Zeek12 wrote: »
    Watford 2-1 up at Goodison


    A result that would keep us in the Top 6 :)
    Finished 2-2. Still a good result in terms of achieving our primary objective of finishing ahead of Everton.ðŸ˜


  • #7089
    Zeek12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Finished 2-2. Still a good result in terms of achieving our primary objective of finishing ahead of Everton.ðŸ˜

    Good enough to keep us in 6th anyway.

    And that fc*king negative goal difference is gone at last :pac:


  • #7090
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Zeek12 wrote: »
    Good enough to keep us in 6th anyway.

    And that fc*king negative goal difference is gone at last :pac:

    What do we have to avoid vs Liverpool?


  • #7091
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭VW 1


    bangkok wrote: »
    Its hardly an excuse and comparing to city is silly really considering they scored over 100 goals last season

    Do you think a goal or assist pretty much every 2.5 games is acceptable from him? Lampard played in a similarly free role in front of two holding midfielders and scored close to 20 a season for years in a row. Pogba is operating nowhere near the level he should, and certainly isnt helping our overall level of team play.


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  • #7092
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,360 ✭✭✭limnam


    VW 1 wrote: »
    DLampard played in a similarly free role in front of two holding midfielders and scored close to 20 a season for years in a row.


    Under the same clueless manager too.


  • #7093
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    I’m literally on my way out to be in the audience for this tonight, you’re all there with me in spirit my dudes

    I can confirm she is 10x better in person. Lord almighty.


  • #7094
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    VW 1 wrote: »
    Do you think a goal or assist pretty much every 2.5 games is acceptable from him? Lampard played in a similarly free role in front of two holding midfielders and scored close to 20 a season for years in a row. Pogba is operating nowhere near the level he should, and certainly isnt helping our overall level of team play.

    I don't feel Pogba has ever really been played in that lampard role. He's been further back on the pitch rather than playing as near a second striker as lampard did much.

    We saw lampard do not as well for country as club, cause he played further back in a cm position.

    Pogba still not doing enough, not arguing that.but the comparison to lampard is off. Imo.


  • #7095
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    VW 1 wrote: »
    Do you think a goal or assist pretty much every 2.5 games is acceptable from him? Lampard played in a similarly free role in front of two holding midfielders and scored close to 20 a season for years in a row. Pogba is operating nowhere near the level he should, and certainly isnt helping our overall level of team play.

    Pogba plays a much deeper role compared to lampard so unfair to compare the 2.

    Also i doubt there is currently even one man utd player operating to the level they should be so you could say all the players and manager isnt helping the overall level of team play


  • #7096
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    I don't feel Pogba has ever really been played in that lampard role. He's been further back on the pitch rather than playing as near a second striker as lampard did much.

    We saw lampard do not as well for country as club, cause he played further back in a cm position.

    Pogba still not doing enough, not arguing that.but the comparison to lampard is off. Imo.

    Maybe its hard to find any meaningful defence of Pogba because his attitude, application and temperament is what determines his effectiveness no matter where he plays or who he plays with? He said it himself, if he's not happy he cant play well which effectively makes him useless for what we need him to do. Its unprofessional (its his job, not a hobby) and its a character flaw that diminishes his value as a player.

    Part of the problem is that him going around publicly attacking the managers tactics is a challenge to the manager. Other players shouldn't react but they do and it effects team morale. I wouldn't say the clubs issues stop and start with Pogba but like his application to what the team needs, his challenge to the manager (while popular with some) is unhelpful and damaging to the team culture. We don't know to what extent but the manager reportedly called him toxic which suggests his actions may indeed (infect) be dragging others into his headspace.


  • #7097
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    I can confirm she is 10x better in person. Lord almighty.

    They always are my son. They always are

    :)


  • #7098
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭VW 1


    bangkok wrote: »
    Pogba plays a much deeper role compared to lampard so unfair to compare the 2.

    Also i doubt there is currently even one man utd player operating to the level they should be so you could say all the players and manager isnt helping the overall level of team play

    Hardly a much deeper role. Pogba is often given license to do as he pleases, as he never plays as part of a two and never plays a holding role.

    Mostly he plays in front of two midfielders who are sitting deeper. He may not get into the box following up play as much as Lampard did, but it's certainly not because he is told to play deeper or is shackled with defensive responsibility.

    He is singled out for his poor play and lethargy because he is supposed to be our best player. Im not throwing a whole load of criticism at Young (for example) because he is playing closer to the limit of his abilities, by a huge margin.


  • #7099
    clubberlang12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭clubberlang12


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    I don't feel Pogba has ever really been played in that lampard role. He's been further back on the pitch rather than playing as near a second striker as lampard did much.

    We saw lampard do not as well for country as club, cause he played further back in a cm position.

    Pogba still not doing enough, not arguing that.but the comparison to lampard is off. Imo.

    Not attacking the post, but i do think people think Lampard played further advanced because of his goal tally. A lot of Lampards goals were because of his willingness to get into the box from his central midfield position. I think that's where some of the difference between him and Pogba lies, and I've stated it here a few times, is that Pogba doesn't get up into the box anywhere near as much as he should. He plays deeper as he likes to play long forward balls through/over defences for players to run onto. Nothing wrong with that, but he could be more effective for the team if mixing it up and trying to get on the end of things as oppose to creating all the time.

    England's midfield often never reached the same heights as they did for their club.......Scholes and Gerrard being two examples. That's 3 of the some of the best English midfielders to play in recent decades not able to replicate club form.


  • #7100
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    limnam wrote: »
    Under the same clueless manager too.

    Not one person has ever said jose was clueless


  • #7101
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    An Interesting read . .

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-transfer-de-jong-15530351

    Langley:

    "This was one of the reasons why I had a meeting with Ed Woodward and I told him that I wasn't convinced with the competency of certain people at the club. I told Ed Woodward quite straight: 'If you think I'm going to sit here and just tell you what you want to hear, I'm not that man because I'm going to tell you exactly how I see it'.

    think it was possibly part of my downfall as to why seven months down the line I was removed because I wouldn't tow the line in relation to telling them exactly what I thought.
    "It's one of them things in football - you come to accept it. Manchester United thanked me for the time I spent there and the players I'd taken in, but ultimately we could have been so much better if people had listened."
    Langley, a lifelong United fan, spent 16 years as a talent spotter at Old Trafford, starting as a local recruitment officer then moving up to head of European recruitment and head of academy recruitment.
    Marcus Rashford, Jesse Lingard, Gerard Pique, Danny Welbeck, Tom Cleverley, Giuseppe Rossi and Adnan Januzaj were among those who were scouted and signed on his watch between 2000 and 2016.


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  • #7102
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    clubberlang12 wrote: »
    Not attacking the post, but i do think people think Lampard played further advanced because of his goal tally. A lot of Lampards goals were because of his willingness to get into the box from his central midfield position. I think that's where some of the difference between him and Pogba lies, and I've stated it here a few times, is that Pogba doesn't get up into the box anywhere near as much as he should. He plays deeper as he likes to play long forward balls through/over defences for players to run onto. Nothing wrong with that, but he could be more effective for the team if mixing it up and trying to get on the end of things as oppose to creating all the time.

    England's midfield often never reached the same heights as they did for their club.......Scholes and Gerrard being two examples. That's 3 of the some of the best English midfielders to play in recent decades not able to replicate club form.
    So is Pogba not getting into the box because he can't be arsed or because the tactical instruction to the side has generally been more conservative in that respect? Is Pogba ignoring the instructions to get further forward cause he doesn't want to be involved in that area of the play, or are we not set up for those runs to the be the case?

    Was Lampard give the same instructions as Pogba is, but either ignored them to go further forward or pogba is ignoring them and staying further back?

    Maybe if Pogba had Makalele and Essien behind him he would be freer (and willing?) to attack more? Maybe Matic and Herrera/Fellaini have not offered the same platform as those two.

    It could be Pogba, it could be tactics. I would say tactics, cause I can't imagine him not wanting to be involved around the box more, but I guess others will say different.


  • #7103
    Paris Old-fashioned Pita
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Paris Old-fashioned Pita


    bangkok wrote: »
    Not one person has ever said jose was clueless

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108711595

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  • #7104
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Fred The Red wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108711595

    giphy.gif

    Jose looks clueless

    Jose is clueless.

    2 completely different things


  • #7105
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Understat.com xgstats have Dalot, Martial, Sanchez, Mata, Herrera, Lingard, Fred and Young with a higher expected assist per 90 then Pogba

    Anyone know what this is?? Expected assists?


  • #7106
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,901 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Maybe its hard to find any meaningful defence of Pogba because his attitude, application and temperament is what determines his effectiveness no matter where he plays or who he plays with? He said it himself, if he's not happy he cant play well which effectively makes him useless for what we need him to do. Its unprofessional (its his job, not a hobby) and its a character flaw that diminishes his value as a player.

    Part of the problem is that him going around publicly attacking the managers tactics is a challenge to the manager. Other players shouldn't react but they do and it effects team morale. I wouldn't say the clubs issues stop and start with Pogba but like his application to what the team needs, his challenge to the manager (while popular with some) is unhelpful and damaging to the team culture. We don't know to what extent but the manager reportedly called him toxic which suggests his actions may indeed (infect) be dragging others into his headspace.

    Two of them in it, Jose has acted poorly towards Pogba also.


  • #7107
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭xtal191


    bangkok wrote: »
    Anyone know what this is?? Expected assists?

    Sounds like complete nonsense


  • #7108
    jayo26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Sounds like complete nonsense

    Of course it is nonsense same as it's nonsense rolling out an expected goals stat all the time...... now who was that????????


  • #7109
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    bangkok wrote: »
    Anyone know what this is?? Expected assists?

    The sum of the Expectd Goals number following passes they made, i would guess.


  • #7110
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    The sum of the Expectd Goals number following passes they made, i would guess.

    A fairly nonsense stat so


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  • #7111
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,319 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    bangkok wrote: »
    A fairly nonsense stat so

    Fair enough.

    I disagree with you completely.

    It may be a flawed stat, but it can also be a good indicator.

    I don't know why people would chose to totally ignore it as a stat - it can be indicative of general play, and strengths/weakness to be worked on.


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