Would you like to attend a housing protest?

Wheeliebin30 · 06-12-2018 10:42PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Em, you just said that apartments are being given out left right and centre to people in D24?

Whenever affordable accommodation is pointed out here on boards in D24 people say who wants to live in D24?

Em who said they don’t want a house in D24 here?

Oh and self proclaimed “right wingers” as you put it....

Wheeliebin30 · 06-12-2018 10:57PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Em, you just said that apartments are being given out left right and centre to people in D24?

Whenever affordable accommodation is pointed out here on boards in D24 people say who wants to live in D24?

I know you’re frantically searching for that smoking gun but just remember the question you were asked before replying:)

end of the road · 06-12-2018 11:29PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

From what I've read, it was €35m for a mix of apartments and houses.

But I have to say that yourself and EOTR show your ignorance in how were so quick to brush off what looked to be massively overpaying by DCC.

And you wonder why people are opposed to higher taxes in this country.... As several people explained to you yesterday, the Administration in this country is staggeringly bad at getting value for taxpayers' money.

It should be blindingly obvious to you that it would be better for DCC to acquire them at a more reasonable price. The price paid is far from a non-issue.

i'm not brushing off the council potentially paying more then they may have needed to. if they over-paid for the houses then absolutely that is ridiculous and whoever signed off on it should be disciplined. however, what i actually addressed is the complaint that the council are out-bidding people, for which i said that is the housing market and how it works, that people are outbid all the time by others. what i also stated is that the council at the moment don't really have any other options because of government failure to change from the current policy. it is blindingly obvious to me that the council relying on the housing and private rental market is not working and is not sustainible or cost effective however a change of course is going to take people making housing an election issue.

VinLieger · 07-12-2018 07:45AM

end of the road wrote: »

i'm not brushing off the council potentially paying more then they may have needed to. if they over-paid for the houses then absolutely that is ridiculous and whoever signed off on it should be disciplined. however, what i actually addressed is the complaint that the council are out-bidding people, for which i said that is the housing market and how it works, that people are outbid all the time by others. what i also stated is that the council at the moment don't really have any other options because of government failure to change from the current policy. it is blindingly obvious to me that the council relying on the housing and private rental market is not working and is not sustainible or cost effective however a change of course is going to take people making housing an election issue.

Councils are responsible for approving and building social housing in their respective areas not the government.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-12-2018 07:49AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Councils are responsible for approving and building social housing in their respective areas not the government.

And seems DCC has majority Sinn Fein and it suits Sinn Fein to have a housing crisis so they can continually try to slate them and say they are doing nothing.

It’s a win win for them.

Makes you wonder.

Ush1 · 07-12-2018 08:50AM

BBFAN wrote: »

That is hilarious. Because most of the right wingers on here would say they wouldn't live in D24 if you paid them.

Lots have said they can't afford to buy a house in Dublin today and when houses in D24 say they wouldn't live there.

So what exactly are you ranting about?

Some people would probably call me a "right winger" and I live in D24, and I paid full market price for the pleasure.

07-12-2018 09:40AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Councils are responsible for approving and building social housing in their respective areas not the government.

Who gives the money to the councils though?

07-12-2018 09:56AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who gives the money to the councils though?

Local council funding is partially from government and then the income they control themselves from commercial rates, services charges and LPT income.

They will not push up the income they control themselves for something as minor as housing the homeless.

It's not an electoral winner for the councillors and it's convenient to blame central government.

Old diesel · 07-12-2018 10:00AM

It seems DCC see this as a fast way to get homes on their books without time consuming procurement processes.

I get the impression from the Irish Times article that I read that these are homes still under construction with 30 to be constructed before Christmas.

Sweet.Science · 07-12-2018 10:29AM

Ah the good oul DCC

Outbid me on 4 houses when i was buying. I wonder if the occupiers could only use 3.5 times their salary like me where they would be living ?

Instead they have a 3 bed semi walking distance to the DART

VinLieger · 07-12-2018 10:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who gives the money to the councils though?

People who pay property tax are one chief contributor, pity every council voted to reduce it to its lowest levels though.....

VinLieger · 07-12-2018 10:35AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Ah the good oul DCC

Outbid me on 4 houses when i was buying. I wonder if the occupiers could only use 3.5 times their salary like me where they would be living ?

Instead they have a 3 bed semi walking distance to the DART

Ahh now they need the dart to be near so they have quick access to collect their dole money. Sure what would you need it for, to be going to your job?

Ronaldinho · 07-12-2018 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who gives the money to the councils though?

People buying in new developments may indirectly pay a significant sum to the local authority in the form of contributions towards infrastructure.

Nothing at all wrong with that per se, but you'd like to think that it was being well spent.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-12-2018 01:24PM

Niall Boylan again going up in my estimation earlier.

There was apiece on the news stating Dundrum is the dearest for rent in Dublin.

Next piece some young one on who got handed her free house today in.......Dundrum!!

Niall agreed it’s bonkers this one gets a free house in the most expensive place in Dublin.

Basically admits it’s a farce and says it’s totally gone out of control.

But this young one has to be beside her ma...

Sweet.Science · 07-12-2018 01:31PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Niall Boylan again going up in my estimation earlier.

There was apiece on the news stating Dundrum is the dearest for rent in Dublin.

Next piece some young one on who got handed her free house today in.......Dundrum!!

Niall agreed it’s binkers this one gets a free house in the most expensive place in Dublin.

Basically admits it’s a farce and says it’s totally done out of control.

But this young one has to be beside her ma...

Nuts

You are better off not working in this country. You get a free house and are able to have kids.

Its getting harder and harder to do that if you work

Old diesel · 07-12-2018 01:37PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Niall Boylan again going up in my estimation earlier.

There was apiece on the news stating Dundrum is the dearest for rent in Dublin.

Next piece some young one on who got handed her free house today in.......Dundrum!!

Niall agreed it’s binkers this one gets a free house in the most expensive place in Dublin.

Basically admits it’s a farce and says it’s totally done out of control.

But this young one has to be beside her ma...

Niall Boylan says what he does and runs his show as he does for clickbaits.

So I wouldnt really use his opinions as guidance on any issue.

end of the road · 07-12-2018 01:43PM

VinLieger wrote: »

People who pay property tax are one chief contributor, pity every council voted to reduce it to its lowest levels though.....

they had to as many of us couldn't afford it.

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Nuts

You are better off not working in this country. You get a free house and are able to have kids.

Its getting harder and harder to do that if you work

you are not better off not working. working brings the potential for a lot of opportunities. not working will bring nothing apart from the bare basics. you may get a subsidized house (people on low incomes are entitled to them as well i believe) however you will never own it if you aren't working.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-12-2018 02:15PM

Old diesel wrote: »

Niall Boylan says what he does and runs his show as he does for clickbaits.

So I wouldnt really use his opinions as guidance on any issue.

He’s right though isn’t he?

Sweet.Science · 07-12-2018 02:29PM

end of the road wrote: »

they had to as many of us couldn't afford it.

you are not better off not working. working brings the potential for a lot of opportunities. not working will bring nothing apart from the bare basics. you may get a subsidized house (people on low incomes are entitled to them as well i believe) however you will never own it if you aren't working.

The only reason i wanted to own my home was security for my kids - however they also inherit a parents council house. So you may aswel say they own it. Its just someone else pays for it

pure.conya · 07-12-2018 03:14PM

ygolometsipe wrote: »

#RaiseTheRoof recently held a housing protest in Dublin, about 10K attended.

It was held on a wednesday. I assume if that was on a saturday it could be well in excess of that number.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/up-to-10-000-attend-rally-demanding-end-to-housing-crisis-1.3650140%3fmode=amp

So would you attend another protest?
Time to put the goverment under proper pressure.

Pressure my left nut!

If you fail to see how much us irish need to escalate our poor form of protesting from getting permission, to meeting, walking from point a to b with minimal disruption along the way, finished up with a sing song and some loopers given mics to spout the same auld rubbish as the last looper, with the very real possibility of maybe having a small splinter group organising an "impromptu" sit down protest on o connell bridge lasting a total of 2 hours max,

Then you may as well stay at home, wrapped up and not wasting your time and energy

pure.conya · 07-12-2018 03:22PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I have attended several, but in my view we need to figure out how to prevent the Eirgí breakaway f*ckers from blockading O'Connell bridge and causing city-wide traffic havoc before attempts at peaceful protest in the city centre will be taken seriously.

I've said it before and I'll say it ad nauseum - the Save Our Seafront protests in Dun Laoghaire were hugely successful and enjoyed popular support, in part because we explicitly chose routes and rally points which caused a bare minimum of disruption to the town. We'd march through the town which would lead to a temporary road closure of only a few minutes, and assemble for the rally on a public green away from traffic.

What the militant clowns in city centre protests do on O'Connell bridge would be the Dun Laoghaire equivalent of deciding to sit down on the junction between Marine Road and Crofton Road, thereby blockading the 46A bus route - the busiest route in the city - for the entire section of the city which it serves.

The headlines would not have been "10,000 march against seafront privatisation", the headlines would have been "students and workers caught up in commuter chaos as Dun Laoghaire protesters cause city-wide bus shutdown". We'd have lost our campaign, and we'd have deserved to lose it.

I don't actually know what the solution to the O'Connell Bridge problem is, but I do know enough about PR and journalism to know that no protest movement will be allowed to get any decent media coverage as long as the jucier story of city-wide traffic chaos from a handful of ignorant morons is available as a headline instead.

Are you enjoying the little freedoms, human/employee rights and privacy you have left because of peaceful non-disruptive protests?

France is the current example that you need to really need to cause a ruckus and force the elites protectors to their knees before you get the slightest chance of real change, Paris is going to be very interesting tomorrow and should open the eyes of everybody here that peaceful protest will get us nowhere

Brendan Bendar · 07-12-2018 03:39PM

:pac:v

pure.conya wrote: »

Are you enjoying the little freedoms, human/employee rights and privacy you have left because of peaceful non-disruptive protests?

France is the current example that you need to really need to cause a ruckus and force the elites protectors to their knees before you get the slightest chance of real change, Paris is going to be very interesting tomorrow and should open the eyes of everybody here that peaceful protest will get us nowhere

Where do you want to get to,pal.

weldoninhio · 07-12-2018 06:54PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's also inaccurate. Nobody in PMVT is paid over 100k, all of their salaried staff are paid the government recomended salary scale appropriate to their positions, including the CEO.

Try find a qualified CEO to run a compnay with a turnover in excess of 20 million, with over 400 staff and multiple premises for less, you'd be laughed at by people who could actually do the job well if you tried to tell them they should be paid less.

There's this perverse idea amongst some bright sparks that people who work for charities and/or non-profits don't deserve to be paid a decent salary and that charities should just hire the cheapest option. It's total idiocy.

PMV takes in something like €14m in donations a year. Their staff costs €13m a year. The rest is paid by the govt. My figures may be off but they take in about 1m more in donations than they pay staff.

07-12-2018 07:30PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

PMV takes in something like €14m in donations a year. Their staff costs €13m a year. The rest is paid by the govt. My figures may be off but they take in about 1m more in donations than they pay staff.

You’ll find the 2016 accounts here. They make interesting reading. Just a few things that jump out.

€10m State funding. €5m fundraising. Staff costs €11m. Fundraising costs €500,000.

https://www.pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PMVT-Audited-Accounts-2016-2.pdf

Subcomandante Marcos · 07-12-2018 09:04PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

PMV takes in something like €14m in donations a year. Their staff costs €13m a year. The rest is paid by the govt. My figures may be off but they take in about 1m more in donations than they pay staff.

You're wrong on pretty much everything.

They receive about 65% (14.5 million-ish) of their funding from the government and the other 35% (9 million-ish) from private donations.

From that they pay the rent and mortgages on the buildings they run + staff wages + other overheads (insurance etc).

Staff costs are just under 15 million between salaries, PRSI contributions, pension contributions and so on, they have over 400 staff, so that would work out at an average staff cost of 36k each.

Obviously this will vary a lot from part time admin staff, relief social care staff etc who might take home a lot less, and say the CEO who earns about 97k.

They provide upwards of 6000 people per year services ranging from emergency accommodation, sheltered accom, residential assistance and so on which works out at an average cost of about €4000 per client per year.

They hire qualified, professional social care workers, social workers, guidance councilors, advocates, admin staff, corporate staff, fund raisers, etc and provide a holistic suite of services for homeless people and people at risk of homelessness in Dublin and the surrounding counties.

Of cost staff costs will be their highest expenditure, they are a service provider, you need good staff to provide a good service.

Of course some of the mouth breathers in this thread would prefer to just throw all the rough sleepers and other homeless people into a shed with some water and a sleeping bag instead of providing safe, secure, appropriate accommodation to those in needs, but thankfully there are organisations like PMVT, Simon, Focus etc who provide services the government should provide itself, but refuses to do.

Subcomandante Marcos · 07-12-2018 09:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You’ll find the 2016 accounts here. They make interesting reading. Just a few things that jump out.

€10m State funding. €5m fundraising. Staff costs €11m. Fundraising costs €500,000.

https://www.pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PMVT-Audited-Accounts-2016-2.pdf

in 2017 their total turnover was 24 million.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-12-2018 10:21PM

https://www.thejournal.ie/social-housing-hap-dundrum-4382050-Dec2018/

Enjoy suckers:)

Idbatterim · 07-12-2018 10:23PM

I am assuming those houses would rent for e2000 a month plus on the open market ...

Wheeliebin30 · 07-12-2018 10:25PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I am assuming those houses would rent for e2000 a month plus on the open market ...

A MOTHER AND her three children who have spent the last 13 and a half years on the social housing waiting list have secured a new home in Dublin – one of 44 new social housing units delivered under Rebuilding Ireland today.

In Dundrum!!!

klaaaz · 07-12-2018 10:29PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

A MOTHER AND her three children who have spent the last 13 and a half years on the social housing waiting list have secured a new home in Dublin – one of 44 new social housing units delivered under Rebuilding Ireland today.

In Dundrum!!!

Fair play to them, 13 years is an extreme long sentence to wait for a family to get a roof over heads.

Would you like to attend a housing protest?

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