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  • Administrators Posts: 55,101 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Child on the late late just promised everyone in the audience a gaff when he grows up and becomes a builder.

    Good deal that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    awec wrote: »
    Child on the late late just promised everyone in the audience a gaff when he grows up and becomes a builder.

    Good deal that.

    When the kids are good on this show they’re gold. You can’t buy comedy like it.


  • Subscribers Posts: 43,207 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Oh the feelzzzzz


  • Administrators Posts: 55,101 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Someone cutting onions there lads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,634 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Ah jaysus lads. The blind kid and the marrow doner. Incredible scenes.


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  • Posts: 20,606 [Deleted User]


    Watching the toy show this morning, the 15 year old opera singer, was it just me or was Tubridy awful creepy there?

    "giving us hope in the future..."


  • Posts: 13,822 [Deleted User]


    The toy show is awful. Bah humbug.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Newstalk is a real mongrel channel. Seems to be courting the right now but would have been one of the more liberal channels much of the last decade.

    I think it's a terrible idea. The guy is a spoofer. He took a situation with a lot of anger between two distinctive communities and tried to drag it into the gutter for the sake of an already failed presidential bid. It takes a wicked kind of vanity to consciously stir and then stoke an issue just to make you look slightly better than your rich acquaintances that are also competing for the same prize.

    There was a contempt to his comments after the campaign and a sincere bitterness that I'm convinced has lost him a lot of that 23% he pissed on the curtains to earn.

    I reckon this has a decent chance of alienating a lot of Newstalk listeners, it certainly has for me. Worse though, it gives Casey a platform from which to launch a legitimate political career in the lead up to the next general. For Newstalk this fills the grumpy, older, tell it like it is, right wing, white male advocate, George Hook spot.

    Hook was just too toxic for the station to stand by and in his attempts to alienate and offend large parts of society (for the amusement of a few) he ended up burning his wings and crashing out of media with a permanently tarnished reputation. I'd say he gets filthy looks in public, probably a fair bit of support at times too sadly enough.

    Newstalk obviously feel there is still a market for that type of personality - but much like George, I suspect that they are flying too close to the sun for their own good with Casey. My hope is that this fails quickly, but lasts just long enough to similarly tarnish Casey's reputation.

    I'm not sure Newstalk is courting the right. I don't listen to Breakfast but Ciara Kelly, Moncreiff, and OTB have nothing to do with the right. Pat Kenny is neutral and Yates is just a big WUM to everyone no matter what their political allegiance is. The only thing you can trust Yates to actually care about is calling how elections will go and horse racing :pac:

    I'm not sure the relevance of saying Hook is white, the country is over 90% whit,. 2% Asian, 1% Black, 1% Traveller, the rest not stated.

    I know it's popular say people who we don't like are right wing but Hook was very much pro gay marriage and as far as I know pro choice too or at least not pro life. So why do you say he's right wing?

    In general I don't think he alienated large part of the country either. What he said on rape was silly but a lot of people, not a minority, had the same view and are disgusted he lost his job over it. Which kind of reinforces that Newstalk aren't courting the right.

    As for Casey I dunno why anyone would give him a TV or radio job, he can barely string a sentence together!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I'm not sure Newstalk is courting the right. I don't listen to Breakfast but Ciara Kelly, Moncreiff, and OTB have nothing to do with the right. Pat Kenny is neutral and Yates is just a big WUM to everyone no matter what their political allegiance is. The only thing you can trust Yates to actually care about is calling how elections will go and horse racing :pac:

    I'm not sure the relevance of saying Hook is white, the country is over 90% whit,. 2% Asian, 1% Black, 1% Traveller, the rest not stated.

    I know it's popular say people who we don't like are right wing but Hook was very much pro gay marriage and as far as I know pro choice too or at least not pro life. So why do you say he's right wing?

    In general I don't think he alienated large part of the country either. What he said on rape was silly but a lot of people, not a minority, had the same view and are disgusted he lost his job over it. Which kind of reinforces that Newstalk aren't courting the right.

    As for Casey I dunno why anyone would give him a TV or radio job, he can barely string a sentence together!

    Where are you getting this information that a majority of people are disgusted that George Hook lost his job?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    People I talk to on my travels around Ireland


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Mookie Blaylock


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    People I talk to on my travels around Ireland

    Ah, Paddy O'Gorman!! I wondered what had happened to you...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    People I talk to on my travels around Ireland

    Ah right, it's a Rory Stewart number!


  • Posts: 20,606 [Deleted User]


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I'm not sure Newstalk is courting the right. I don't listen to Breakfast but Ciara Kelly, Moncreiff, and OTB have nothing to do with the right. Pat Kenny is neutral and Yates is just a big WUM to everyone no matter what their political allegiance is. The only thing you can trust Yates to actually care about is calling how elections will go and horse racing :pac:

    I'm not sure the relevance of saying Hook is white, the country is over 90% whit,. 2% Asian, 1% Black, 1% Traveller, the rest not stated.

    I know it's popular say people who we don't like are right wing but Hook was very much pro gay marriage and as far as I know pro choice too or at least not pro life. So why do you say he's right wing?

    In general I don't think he alienated large part of the country either. What he said on rape was silly but a lot of people, not a minority, had the same view and are disgusted he lost his job over it. Which kind of reinforces that Newstalk aren't courting the right.

    As for Casey I dunno why anyone would give him a TV or radio job, he can barely string a sentence together!

    What he said about rape wasn't silly, it was abhorrent. Yes, we all need to be mindful of dangers - but that in no way mitigates or excuses a rapist, nor is rape in anyway a justifiable punishment for a women trusting a man she shouldn't. Regardless of the case it was about, it's an awful toxic mindset and far worse than 'silly'.

    His comments on cyclists are similarly ridiculous and do nothing to reduce tension and dangers on the road. I read somewhere that the week after he called cyclists nazi's - there were two cyclists killed on the roads. The defence counsel representing one of those drivers a few months back made similar comments trying to blame the cycling - albeit the enquiry rested the entire blame on the driver.

    He may say things in belief that there are no consequences, but he is very much responsible for spreading a lot of negativity which reinforces attitudes that blame women for wearing frilly knickers.

    My comment on skin colour was a bit of an Americanisation, but young to middle aged somewhat angry white men are typically the target audience for right wing media personalities.

    I obviously don't have your insights from travelling around Ireland talking to people about their opinions of George, but my circle of friends and acquaintances would be very familiar with him from rugby and Newstalk (some were coached by him in rugby) and each and every one of them have gone from tolerating him a few years ago, to dismissing him as his rugby commentary soured on certain personalities to actively disliking him over his rhetoric towards women and other groups.

    I don't know a single person who isn't glad he is off the air.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Absolutely. Good riddance to him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    The only crowd I've ever heard say they disagreed with Hook being sacked is the same crowd who says everything is "pc gone mad".


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    What he said about rape wasn't silly, it was abhorrent. Yes, we all need to be mindful of dangers - but that in no way mitigates or excuses a rapist, nor is rape in anyway a justifiable punishment for a women trusting a man she shouldn't. Regardless of the case it was about, it's an awful toxic mindset and far worse than 'silly'.

    His comments on cyclists are similarly ridiculous and do nothing to reduce tension and dangers on the road. I read somewhere that the week after he called cyclists nazi's - there were two cyclists killed on the roads. The defence counsel representing one of those drivers a few months back made similar comments trying to blame the cycling - albeit the enquiry rested the entire blame on the driver.

    He may say things in belief that there are no consequences, but he is very much responsible for spreading a lot of negativity which reinforces attitudes that blame women for wearing frilly knickers.

    My comment on skin colour was a bit of an Americanisation, but young to middle aged somewhat angry white men are typically the target audience for right wing media personalities.

    I obviously don't have your insights from travelling around Ireland talking to people about their opinions of George, but my circle of friends and acquaintances would be very familiar with him from rugby and Newstalk (some were coached by him in rugby) and each and every one of them have gone from tolerating him a few years ago, to dismissing him as his rugby commentary soured on certain personalities to actively disliking him over his rhetoric towards women and other groups.

    I don't know a single person who isn't glad he is off the air.

    And he apologised and said he was wrong about what he said.

    You're projecting with what you say about women and frilly knickers. I don't know what his thoughts are on that, so I'm surprised that you do.

    One of the reasons that I pointed out about your white male comments, and is a bit reinforced about what you said about him and knickers, is that there seems to be, with some people, an if you don't agree with me on this thing then you disagree with me on everything. Which is obviously not true to life. I disagreed with loads of things he said, his views on cyclist being one.

    What happens in America happens in America but I don't think Hook being white has much, if any, influence on his opinions. I'm still not sure why you think he's right wing?

    He's also far from a woman hater, if that's what you mean I'm not sure. Ciara Kelly owes her radio career to him and he had a 30 min slot every Friday with a female panel.

    As for is there anyone glad he's off the air, the radio forum on here might change your view on that a bit.

    I say all this without being a Hook fan. I just disagree with all the stuff thrown his way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Happy enough he is off air but Hook wasn't right wing. He was just entirely out of touch on certain topics. He regularly opposed Michael Graham on his show, a man who was genuinely right wing.

    He had no place hosting a national show at this point in his life but he had built up a following who were very familiar with him and enjoyed his spiel therefore NT found a place for him repeatedly. It's a commercial station so that shouldn't surprise anyone.

    I don't think NT are becoming right wing in any way. Paul Williams, Hook and Yates were the only presenters someone could consider right leaning and that was only on certain topics or, in the case of Yates, a complete wind up where you can actually hear him laughing as he says something outlandish.

    The right wing leanings are more than outweighed by the left leanings of their other presenters who are more numerous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Mookie Blaylock


    Ireland getting a decent enough group for the 2020 euros... Switzerland.. Denmark, and Georgia so far....edit..and gibraltar ...we missed all the big guns

    Feel sorry for Norn Iron... Germany and Holland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Ireland getting a decent enough group for the 2020 euros... Switzerland.. Denmark, and Georgia so far....edit..and gibraltar ...we missed all the big guns

    Feel sorry for Norn Iron... Germany and Holland

    Denmark, who like, beat us 5-0 last year? Oh... yay!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Switzerland are a better side than us too. We'll be doing very well to qualify. Hopefully the new manager situation gives us a bit of a bounce because we've been awful


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Mookie Blaylock


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Denmark, who like, beat us 5-0 last year? Oh... yay!

    We actually got drawn with Germany & Holland..
    The only reason we didn't go in that pot is because we are co-hosts..
    And you can't have 3 co-host sides in the same group....would take the group we are in all day long


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Any sparkys on here? I had a small DIY snafu this weekend that I'm hoping I can fix without having to call an electrician. I wrote up the problem on the electrical forum, link below, if any thinks they might be able to help, or just wants to have a laugh at my mistakes

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057934498/1/#post108780441


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    The Journal have one of their fact check articles up about the story yesterday about HSE workers being banned from using words like "pet" and "love". It turns out they are not banned.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-pet-names-hosital-4374213-Dec2018/?utm_source=shortlink


    It really shows how many outlets don't bother with the actual truth and just go with what will fill the paper or airwaves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    The Journal have one of their fact check articles up about the story yesterday about HSE workers being banned from using words like "pet" and "love". It turns out they are not banned.

    It really shows how many outlets don't bother with the actual truth and just go with what will fill the paper or airwaves.

    I genuinely thought it was a Waterford Whisperers story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    The only crowd I've ever heard say they disagreed with Hook being sacked is the same crowd who says everything is "pc gone mad".

    While I wouldn't be one of the "PC gone mad" brigade, this banning of the song Baby It's Cold Outside really does seem to be "PC gone mad". It really reminds me of A Time To Kill. The defences medical expert gets trashed due to the quashed statutory rape charges. It sounds really bad and the expert looks awful for it. But in the closing arguments we learn that he was only a few months older than the girl in question and the two went on to get married and are still married when the court case is taking place. The context utterly changes the perception of the incident.

    This song is from a Hollywood musical from the 40s which tells the story of a first date between a couple. They have a good time, she decides she wants to leave, he tries to convince her not to. The song never says what happens next. But in the film, she leaves and he doesn't react badly to it at all. The long and the short of it is that they continue to see each other and eventually get married. And yet somehow this song is deemed to be inappropriate. All because of 1 line from what I can tell ("Say what's in this drink"). What the song is actually about and the entire context behind it and it's very reason for existing all seem irrelevant. Instead what matters is what people project onto the song now. It's just bizarre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    molloyjh wrote: »
    While I wouldn't be one of the "PC gone mad" brigade, this banning of the song Baby It's Cold Outside really does seem to be "PC gone mad". It really reminds me of A Time To Kill. The defences medical expert gets trashed due to the quashed statutory rape charges. It sounds really bad and the expert looks awful for it. But in the closing arguments we learn that he was only a few months older than the girl in question and the two went on to get married and are still married when the court case is taking place. The context utterly changes the perception of the incident.

    This song is from a Hollywood musical from the 40s which tells the story of a first date between a couple. They have a good time, she decides she wants to leave, he tries to convince her not to. The song never says what happens next. But in the film, she leaves and he doesn't react badly to it at all. The long and the short of it is that they continue to see each other and eventually get married. And yet somehow this song is deemed to be inappropriate. All because of 1 line from what I can tell ("Say what's in this drink"). What the song is actually about and the entire context behind it and it's very reason for existing all seem irrelevant. Instead what matters is what people project onto the song now. It's just bizarre.

    Have you seen the latest PETA campaign? To stop using anti-animal language.

    They want phrases like "kill two birds with one stone", "bring home the bacon", "flog a dead horse", "take the bull by the horns" to be "socially unacceptable".


  • Subscribers Posts: 43,207 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Have you seen the latest PETA campaign? To stop using anti-animal language.

    They want phrases like "kill two birds with one stone", "bring home the bacon", "flog a dead horse", "take the bull by the horns" to be "socially unacceptable".

    Hilarious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Hilarious

    The suggested replacements are even funnier
    1c6957cc-3dc3-4dc2-b5d9-0eb82b8911b2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭troyzer


    As a young, millennial hard core lefty can I just make it clear that this kind of PC ****e is madness.

    A lot of older people associate people like me with this movement, please don't.

    I do believe in some things which would be considered PC, but this is going too far.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    troyzer wrote: »
    As a young, millennial hard core lefty can I just make it clear that this kind of PC ****e is madness.

    A lot of older people associate people like me with this movement, please don't.

    I do believe in some things which would be considered PC, but this is going too far.

    Yeah but we're spending all our money on avocado instead of buying houses and diamonds apparently.

    Although for .ak that probably is true.


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