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Arghus · 30-11-2018 07:23PM

Hopefully there'll be one in the future for Ken's incredulity at Tyson Fury's peak girth.."400!"

Beersmith · 01-12-2018 02:51PM

That Pires interview was terrible. Mixture of bad audio quality, guest who couldn't speak English very well and also had nothing interesting to say.

Still Ill · 01-12-2018 04:43PM

Beersmith wrote: »

That Pires interview was terrible. Mixture of bad audio quality, guest who couldn't speak English very well and also had nothing interesting to say.

Ha, yeah.. Was brutal. He didn't understand half the questions and ended up answering a different question.

Trent Houseboat · 02-12-2018 12:52AM

Skipped it, audio was like they recorded it in a shipping container.

Cienciano · 03-12-2018 10:17AM

Yeah, I ended up skipping through the Pires "interview", load of shíte

threein99 · 03-12-2018 12:31PM

Beersmith wrote: »

That Pires interview was terrible. Mixture of bad audio quality, guest who couldn't speak English very well and also had nothing interesting to say.

Ken is terrible in those situations, he asked Pires did he ever spot any celebs in the crowd when he was playing ? What sort of rubbish is that to ask someone who has achieved all he has in the game.

Cienciano · 03-12-2018 12:37PM

threein99 wrote: »

Ken is terrible in those situations, he asked Pires did he ever spot any celebs in the crowd when he was playing ? What sort of rubbish is that to ask someone who has achieved all he has in the game.

While not everything can be Pulitzer Prize winning standard, I think we can safely say: this interview won't be on the shortlist.

Pidae.m · 03-12-2018 12:43PM

The ken interviewing Diego Torres still has to be the worst interview on second Captains. It was actually gas it was so bad

Cienciano · 03-12-2018 12:45PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

The ken interviewing Diego Torres still has to be the worst interview on second Captains. It was actually gas it was so bad

You know what they say: Never meet your heros.

Blanco100 · 03-12-2018 02:15PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

The ken interviewing Diego Torres still has to be the worst interview on second Captains. It was actually gas it was so bad

is there a link to this?

Brock Turnpike · 03-12-2018 03:01PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Pidae.m wrote: »

The ken interviewing Diego Torres still has to be the worst interview on second Captains. It was actually gas it was so bad

is there a link to this?

Proving the old "car crash/can't take your eyes off it" cliche

Blanco100 · 03-12-2018 07:11PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Proving the old "car crash/can't take your eyes off it" cliche

so that's a no then??

Beersmith · 03-12-2018 09:41PM

Bit bizzare of ken to insist this Everton team is so damn good while sneering at big sams team. Eh big sam got a point whereas this team lost. Also like he said they also lost 3-1 on XG. Bizzare bias towards a playing style he prefers.

As a great man once said 'all I have to back it up is the facts!'

lawred2 · 03-12-2018 10:23PM

Beersmith wrote: »

Bit bizzare of ken to insist this Everton team is so damn good while sneering at big sams team. Eh big sam got a point whereas this team lost. Also like he said they also lost 3-1 on XG. Bizzare bias towards a playing style he prefers.

As a great man once said 'all I have to back it up is the facts!'

Did you watch the match? And last year's match?

Seems unlikely.

Everton got lucky at Anfield last year after being out played for the entire game.

Yesterday was a completely different performance. Bizarre ending aside, almost every Evertonian is happier with the direction Everton is going in.

A flukey point at Anfield after being completely outclassed is hardly evidence of anything other than just another footballing fluke. Certainly not any sort of justification the type of anti football dross that Allardyce was a purveyor of.

Salvation Tambourine · 03-12-2018 10:24PM

Beersmith wrote: »

Bit bizzare of ken to insist this Everton team is so damn good while sneering at big sams team. Eh big sam got a point whereas this team lost. Also like he said they also lost 3-1 on XG. Bizzare bias towards a playing style he prefers.

As a great man once said 'all I have to back it up is the facts!'

That Everton performance last year was pretty embarrassing. Good result yes but it was pretty pathetic. I think they won a corner at about 70 minutes and the fans celebrated like it was a goal.

I think it's a fully understandable bias towards positive and forward thinking football compared to the utter drivel that Allardyce was subjecting the Everton fans to last season.

Loafing Oaf · 04-12-2018 01:38AM

Beersmith wrote: »

Bit bizzare of ken to insist this Everton team is so damn good while sneering at big sams team. Eh big sam got a point whereas this team lost. Also like he said they also lost 3-1 on XG. Bizzare bias towards a playing style he prefers.

As a great man once said 'all I have to back it up is the facts!'

Reminds me of how Dunphy used to hammer Benitez at Liverpool relentlessly; it almost became this existential thing independent of their results: " I don't care if he won the Champions League, he's not doing it right.":P

OldMrBrennan83 · 04-12-2018 08:33AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Reminds me of how Dunphy used to hammer Benitez at Liverpool relentlessly; it almost became this existential thing independent of their results: " I don't care if he won the Champions League, he's not doing it right.":P

A bit like Guardiola now.

Beersmith · 04-12-2018 08:52AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Did you watch the match? And last year's match?

Seems unlikely.

Everton got lucky at Anfield last year after being out played for the entire game.

Yesterday was a completely different performance. Bizarre ending aside, almost every Evertonian is happier with the direction Everton is going in.

A flukey point at Anfield after being completely outclassed is hardly evidence of anything other than just another footballing fluke. Certainly not any sort of justification the type of anti football dross that Allardyce was a purveyor of.

I would agree with a lot of that. Ken often uses these statistics to show certainty of his arguments though. Just thought it was a bit bizarre how sneering it was to big sam when end of the day it got a better result. He was after all closely comparing the exact same fixture not just the general niceness of their play.

Loafing Oaf · 04-12-2018 10:07AM

Patww79 wrote: »

A bit like Guardiola now.

Does Dunphy badmouth Pep a lot? I don't really follow him any more. Presumably he uses his standard gambit of "It's all very well winning the the premiership but the Champions League is the real test." Course that didn't really fly when it came to Rafa...

OldMrBrennan83 · 04-12-2018 10:10AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Does Dunphy badmouth Pep a lot? I don't really follow him any more. Presumably he uses his standard gambit of "It's all very well winning the the premiership but the Champions League is the real test." Course that didn't really fly when it came to Rafa...

He doesn't like that he doesn't "respect the art of defending" in the traditional sense, no matter how much it actually works.

Cienciano · 04-12-2018 11:45AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Does Dunphy badmouth Pep a lot? I don't really follow him any more. Presumably he uses his standard gambit of "It's all very well winning the the premiership but the Champions League is the real test." Course that didn't really fly when it came to Rafa...

The whole "football man" and "I wouldn't listen to anything ken early said" is from Ken saying Pep is a great manager and the Dunphy and Giles saying he's rubbish. Similar to the stance they took with Ronaldo. Well, Giles definitely, tbh I'm not 100% on Dunphy but he normally agrees with Giles on these things.

But we're not football men and haven't played the game at the highest level, we wouldn't understand.

Loafing Oaf · 04-12-2018 12:02PM

Beersmith wrote: »

I would agree with a lot of that. Ken often uses these statistics to show certainty of his arguments though. Just thought it was a bit bizarre how sneering it was to big sam when end of the day it got a better result. He was after all closely comparing the exact same fixture not just the general niceness of their play.

No proof yet either that Silva will get better results overall than Big Sam would have done.

Salvation Tambourine · 04-12-2018 12:07PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

No proof yet either that Silva will get better results overall than Big Sam would have done.

There is proof that Everton fans enjoy and are very encouraged by what Silva is doing rather than near depressed with what was given to them last season by Allardyce. When you're not going to relegated and probably not going to break into the Champions League spots I think Silva's way is far and away the more attractive option.

Everton last season:
Shots on target - 20th
Shots at goal - 20th
Chances created - 20th
Big chances created - 11th
Dribbles - 19th
Possession - 13th

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 12:12PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

No proof yet either that Silva will get better results overall than Big Sam would have done.

seriously?

Loafing Oaf · 04-12-2018 12:32PM

lawred2 wrote: »

seriously?

Big Sam took them up from the fringes of relegation to eighth. Surely it's reasonable to think they would have finished seventh at the very worst if he had them for the whole season? Everton currently sixth on goal difference, with Man United seemingly doing their best to sabotage their own season.

Baggly · 04-12-2018 12:38PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Big Sam took them up from the fringes of relegation to eighth. Surely it's reasonable to think they would have finished seventh at the very worst if he had them for the whole season? Everton currently sixth on goal difference, with Man United seemingly doing their best to sabotage their own season.

Its feasible, but not necessarily reasonable. Even IF he had gotten them to 7th, 6th is still better than that, is it not?

And in the meantime, Everton are playing decent, interesting, attacking football and getting draws or wins, rather than scraping draws or wins.

You cant argue that in terms of the above, his Everton were ranked 20th for total shots, 19th for total shots on target, 16th for passing accuracy and 17th for shots faced in the Premier League. Those stats reversed (well almost, they arent top for shots etc) under Silva.

It is United this season, it was Arsenal last season. Someone is always sabotaging their own season.

Loafing Oaf · 04-12-2018 01:34PM

Pter wrote: »

Its feasible, but not necessarily reasonable. Even IF he had gotten them to 7th, 6th is still better than that, is it not?

Well that depends on your view of the Europa League.:P

Sixth right now on goal difference, narrowly heading a bunch of teams in upper mid table. No guarantee they won't finish the season eight or ninth. IMO not definitive evidence that Silva will get you better results than Big Sam over the long run.

Baggly · 04-12-2018 01:40PM

Loafing Oaf wrote:

Sixth right now on goal difference, narrowly heading a bunch of teams in upper mid table. No guarantee they won't finish the season eight or ninth. IMO not definitive evidence that Silva will get you better results than Big Sam over the long run.

Well with respect no-one will know that until the long run has elapsed. We are all just guessing at how he will do and I'm commenting that the football is better to watch if nothing else.

dulux99 · 04-12-2018 05:35PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Well that depends on your view of the Europa League.:P

Sixth right now on goal difference, narrowly heading a bunch of teams in upper mid table. No guarantee they won't finish the season eight or ninth. IMO not definitive evidence that Silva will get you better results than Big Sam over the long run.

I struggle to see how you can compare big Sam's Everton last year to Silva's Everton this year and not think they're much, much better off this year. Crazy.

Catmologen · 04-12-2018 11:30PM

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