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Public servants' inability to afford to pay rent in Dublin.

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    #392
    4ensic15
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    If he got a raise of €50 a week, but rent went up by €30, then it's a loss of €20 in their situation.
    Again, guessing. They'd have to explain it.

    The rent would have gone up anyway, increment or no increment. There are some
    situations in which a pay rise triggers higher tax/usc/prsi bands. That can result in a drop in nett income


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    #393
    Naos
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    If he got a raise of €50 a week, but rent went up by €30, then it's a loss of €20 in their situation.
    Again, guessing. They'd have to explain it.

    Even in your example, how is that a loss? He is still €20 up.


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    #394
    nice_guy80
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    Naos wrote: »
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I work in public sector for 10+ years

    I got an incremental pay rise during the summer, which means I'm actually €20 a week worse off.

    How are you worse off after a raise?
    Our beautiful taxation system


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    #395
    nice_guy80
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    Naos wrote: »
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I work in public sector for 10+ years

    I got an incremental pay rise during the summer, which means I'm actually €20 a week worse off.

    How are you worse off after a raise?
    Our beautiful taxation system
    My take home pay is now reduced

    That's what a pay rise in the PS looks like


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    #396
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    Naos wrote: »
    Even in your example, how is that a loss? He is still €20 up.
    Meant to have it the other way around.
    A raise of €30 a week, but rent went up by €50.
    Again, it'd have to be clarified by themselves.


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    #397
    4ensic15
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Meant to have it the other way around.
    A raise of €30 a week, but rent went up by €50.
    Again, it'd have to be clarified by themselves.

    He has clarified above. Nothing to do with rent. In any case, he would be even worse off without the rise as the rent would have gone up anyway.


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    #398
    Naos
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Our beautiful taxation system
    My take home pay is now reduced

    That's what a pay rise in the PS looks like

    Can you explain it to me with some real workable figures please.


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    #399
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Our beautiful taxation system
    My take home pay is now reduced

    That's what a pay rise in the PS looks like
    If it's our system, then it applies to both sectors.


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    #400
    wrangler
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    Irish Indo to day says that women with abnormal smears have to wait 9 mths for care. FFS this is getting beyond a joke. Health .insurance is no longer a luxury, it's a necessity. wonder how many on waiting lists die for lack of care


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    #401
    4ensic15
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    wrangler wrote: »
    Irish Indo to day says that women with abnormal smears have to wait 9 mths for care. FFS this is getting beyond a joke. Health .insurance is no longer a luxury, it's a necessity. wonder how many on waiting lists die for lack of care

    Relevance?


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    #402
    wrangler
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    Relevance?

    We're excessively taxed, presumably to provide healthcare etc , yet to get proper and timely health care you have to pay health insurance as well.
    Go figure.
    December/january is the busiest time of the year in hospitals, yet medics took the hump when asked not to take holidays then, as a self employed I'd find that hard to accaept. Provide the service or don't take our taxes....simples


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    #403
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    wrangler wrote: »
    We're excessively taxed
    Compared to?
    I work with a number of people from other countries. We aren't as taxed as much as they are from what they tell me. And you see in France that some are resisting further increases.

    I have private health insurance in my current company (I pay towards it as well). Prior to that I paid it myself. Gave up a lot of nights out and holidays, but prioritized it. Had a few mates who decided to smoke, drink excessively, and take 2 holidays a year abroad; but it's other peoples fault when they sit on a waiting list.

    The health system is huge with many factors that affect it's efficiency.


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    #404
    wrangler
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Compared to?
    I work with a number of people from other countries. We aren't as taxed as much as they are from what they tell me. And you see in France that some are resisting further increases.

    I have private health insurance in my current company (I pay towards it as well). Prior to that I paid it myself. Gave up a lot of nights out and holidays, but prioritized it. Had a few mates who decided to smoke, drink excessively, and take 2 holidays a year abroad; but it's other peoples fault when they sit on a waiting list.

    The health system is huge with many factors that affect it's efficiency.

    Shouldn't have to pay both, don't know if you've needed it lately but hse is loading patients into private hospitals now and it isn't that simple to get a quick private appointments now because of it. It's like the passport scenario, if we're busy we'll create a backlog etc etc...don't know about you but if I'm busy I work longer hours. Last time I was in a public hospital two out of three theatres were idle and they say there's a waiting list of 500000 for care
    You sound young but I'm 66 and health care is important


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    #405
    road_high
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    limnam wrote: »
    Christ.


    She's young. She can share. Get a room in a house for 280e a month.


    That leaves her with over 1300e a month with shared bills.


    God forbid we're ever in a_real_ crisis.

    Doubt you’d get any sort of room in a shared house for under €100 per week in Dublin


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    #406
    raze_them_all_
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    road_high wrote: »
    Doubt you’d get any sort of room in a shared house for under €100 per week in Dublin

    You can if you share the room like an 8 year old at camp


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    #407
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Anything that brings more attention to the mess that is, the better, welcome to the party public servants.


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    #408
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    wrangler wrote: »
    Shouldn't have to pay both, don't know if you've needed it lately but hse is loading patients into private hospitals now and it isn't that simple to get a quick private appointments now because of it. It's like the passport scenario, if we're busy we'll create a backlog etc etc...don't know about you but if I'm busy I work longer hours. Last time I was in a public hospital two out of three theatres were idle and they say there's a waiting list of 500000 for care
    You sound young but I'm 66 and health care is important
    You didn’t answer the question. Who are we excessive taxed in compared to, and what is their health care?

    Maybe people shouldn’t have to pay both, but it’s unfunded for the standard people want.

    Thankfully I haven’t needed medical care recently. I do my best to avoid requiring it. But I do have young kids, and paying for it has been of massive assistance on two occasions; well worth the sacrifice of the other luxuries that I could have spent it on.

    I also have parents older than you, and quite reliant on medical care; so my own age isn’t of importance.


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    #409
    whisky_galore
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    engiweirdo wrote: »
    Musk is a product of his warped US coporatist environment. He actually sees himself as akin to Henry Ford, especially with the Model X,Y,Z names for the cars but is worlds apart. Ford was a great engineer and capitalist but saw the value of better pay and less working hours for his employees.

    The work all the hours of the day mentality is a sickness that is seeping in from the poor saps reared in modern day high waged slavery in the US. Really ieks me to see companies here promote and engage in this behavilur when we have better functioning models east of us in Europe we should be following instead.

    Ford had no problem turning his own goons/private security force on his own employees. And anyone who couldn't perform a task quickly enough on the assembly line was sacked. A bit of an arsehole.


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    Edgware
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    wrangler wrote: »
    We're excessively taxed, presumably to provide healthcare etc , yet to get proper and timely health care you have to pay health insurance as well.
    Go figure.
    December/january is the busiest time of the year in hospitals, yet medics took the hump when asked not to take holidays then, as a self employed I'd find that hard to accaept. Provide the service or don't take our taxes....simples
    Try and get one of your self employed plumbers and electricians between Christmas eve and rhe 2nd of January


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    #411
    nice_guy80
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Try and get one of your self employed plumbers and electricians between Christmas eve and rhe 2nd of January

    they are self employed
    they can take time off when they want, generally


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    Naos
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    they are self employed
    they can take time off when they want, generally

    Care to give us the figures about how someone could be worse off after a raise in the PS?


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    #413
    4ensic15
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    wrangler wrote: »
    We're excessively taxed, presumably to provide healthcare etc , yet to get proper and timely health care you have to pay health insurance as well.
    Go figure.
    December/january is the busiest time of the year in hospitals, yet medics took the hump when asked not to take holidays then, as a self employed I'd find that hard to accaept. Provide the service or don't take our taxes....simples

    Yes. But what has that got to do with public servants ability to pay rent?


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    uck51js9zml2yt
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    If it's our system, then it applies to both sectors.

    We get caught for additional levies the private sector don't "enjoy".
    A pay rise means additional types of deductions that weren't there on a lower salary.


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    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    Ronin Salty Hotel wrote: »
    We get caught for additional levies the private sector don't "enjoy".
    A pay rise means additional types of deductions that weren't there on a lower salary.
    Such as? What are they?
    You've provided zero specifics on this to actually make it believable.


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    #416
    wrangler
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    You didn’t answer the question. Who are we excessive taxed in compared to, and what is their health care?

    Maybe people shouldn’t have to pay both, but it’s unfunded for the standard people want.

    Thankfully I haven’t needed medical care recently. I do my best to avoid requiring it. But I do have young kids, and paying for it has been of massive assistance on two occasions; well worth the sacrifice of the other luxuries that I could have spent it on.

    I also have parents older than you, and quite reliant on medical care; so my own age isn’t of importance.

    You don't need a comparison when poor service is a problem, to wait nine mths for a follow up to a test stinks. Nurses and Doctors are great but it's no good if the patient is left too long, might as well not be there


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    #417
    wrangler
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    Yes. But what has that got to do with public servants ability to pay rent?

    they shouldn't get money then just cos they live in dublin


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    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    wrangler wrote: »
    You don't need a comparison when poor service is a problem, to wait nine mths for a follow up to a test stinks. Nurses and Doctors are great but it's no good if the patient is left too long, might as well not be there
    Well if you state we are excessively taxed, you do kinda need a comparison. To have a health service like Scandinavia, you must look at how they pay for it; i.e. through taxation.

    If you do believe we are excessively taxed, but the health service is still unable to provide an adequate service; then what is your proposal to improve/finance it?


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    #419
    wrangler
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Well if you state we are excessively taxed, you do kinda need a comparison. To have a health service like Scandinavia, you must look at how they pay for it; i.e. through taxation.

    If you do believe we are excessively taxed, but the health service is still unable to provide an adequate service; then what is your proposal to improve/finance it?

    It seems to be black hole for money now, huge amounts of money and few extra beds.......there are people paid to run it properly, plenty of people my age waiting for treatment, seems if they're a number of months waiting they can be outsouced to some treatment purchase thingy, so leave them nine mths and then clog up the private hospitals


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    cnocbui
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Compared to?
    I work with a number of people from other countries. We aren't as taxed as much as they are from what they tell me. And you see in France that some are resisting further increases.

    I have private health insurance in my current company (I pay towards it as well). Prior to that I paid it myself. Gave up a lot of nights out and holidays, but prioritized it. Had a few mates who decided to smoke, drink excessively, and take 2 holidays a year abroad; but it's other peoples fault when they sit on a waiting list.

    The health system is huge with many factors that affect it's efficiency.

    How about New Zealand. An island nation, similar population, lower taxes and yet they manage to have a budget surplus. Public debt as percentage of GDP - Ireland 78% - New Zealand 34%

    NZ has no capital gains tax, no TV license fee, no death duties, no DIRT, the highest marginal income tax rate is 33%, compared to Ireland's 48%. The GST (VAT) rate is 15%, not 23%.


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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Anything that brings more attention to the mess that is, the better, welcome to the party public servants.

    i liked this because die hard


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