MEP "Criticism of migration will become a criminal offense"

Sonics2k · 01-12-2018 05:36PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Okay, so you think that I and others are wrong about what the agreement could spell but even if you are right (and again, I hope you all are): wrong =/= fake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news

Fake news is a type of yellow journalism or propaganda that consists of deliberate disinformation or hoaxes spread via traditional print and broadcast news media or online social media.

Deliberately faked and misrepresented news. Literally the definition of fake news.

Why are fighting that you fell for it? Just accept it and move on.

gw80 · 01-12-2018 05:41PM

Kivaro wrote: »

With the extreme liberalism being pushed by our current government leaders (Leo, Zappone, Coveney), it wouldn't surprise me if they superseded this "initiative" by making it illegal for us to even think negatively about open border migration. The "thought" police finally coming to fruition.

Italian government:" we cannot rush into signing such a document without first discussing said document with our parliment and our people".

Irish government:" free trip to morroco, yay, where's my pen".

batgoat · 01-12-2018 05:42PM

Gravelly wrote: »

What a truly ridiculous post. Beyond parody, and without even a kernel of an argument to debate. Well done.

It's a complete misrepresentation of the bill and is very much so racist propaganda.

suicide_circus · 01-12-2018 05:47PM

gw80 wrote: »

Italian government:" we cannot rush into signing such a document without first discussing said document with our parliment and our people".

Irish government:" free trip to morroco, yay, where's my pen".

if ireland were located in the Med and had 690,000 people arrive by small boat over the last 5 years Leo might have a different reaction.

_Kaiser_ · 01-12-2018 05:50PM

gw80 wrote: »

Italian government:" we cannot rush into signing such a document without first discussing said document with our parliment and our people".

Irish government:" free trip to morroco, yay, where's my pen".

Not even that...

Irish government : "oh goody. Another chance to show the EU how progressive and liberal we are. Need that validation hit (an Irish flaw in general) and maybe I'll get that cushy post in the EU once the locals have voted me out - although considering some of the other lads in the Dail I'm probably safe enough"

I love too how when sources are provided for those posters demanding proof that they're instantly dismissed as "fake news" (has to be one of the most infantile and idiotic phrases to become mainstream in recent times) because the content doesn't suit their position, ie:

"Sources which validate my position and allow me to attack others as - ist or - phobic" = good, legitimate and balanced reporting

"Sources which question my understanding or opinion of the subject matter" = fake news

(edited to add) Anyone with a legitimate concern or interest in a topic will surely try to get as much information as possible about it and then review all sides and form their own opinions and position.

But in our instant update, validation and approval seeking "modern times" it seems many instead rush to be seen as on the perceived right side of opinion (opinion which are often formed by people who have no direct stake in the matter) than thinking about it for themselves

AndyTheDude · 01-12-2018 05:55PM

Stefan Molyneux has looked into this document in detail. Long video, definitely worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRszRZBfYw

gw80 · 01-12-2018 06:03PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

if ireland were located in the Med and had 690,000 people arrive by small boat over the last 5 years Leo might have a different reaction.

Exactly. Maybe Ireland should consider the implications of mass migration on our supposedly eu partners in the med before running off to sign this nonsense.
But I suspect the people of Italy have already have an opinion on Ireland after sending the navy taxi service.

suicide_circus · 01-12-2018 06:09PM

gw80 wrote: »

Exactly. Maybe Ireland should consider the implications of mass migration on our supposedly eu partners in the med before running off to sign this nonsense.
But I suspect the people of Italy have already have an opinion on Ireland after sending the navy taxi service.

Ah but Leo loves an auld feel good photo op

DS86DS · 01-12-2018 06:23PM

Bring on Irexit.

seamus · 01-12-2018 06:24PM

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Stefan Molyneux has looked into this document in detail. Long video, definitely worth watching:

Why would you seriously listen to a Nazi's interpretation of a simple document when you could just read it for yourself?

suicide_circus · 01-12-2018 06:27PM

seamus wrote: »

Why would you seriously listen to a Nazi's interpretation of a simple document when you could just read it for yourself?

didn't know he was into National Socialism tbh

AndyTheDude · 01-12-2018 06:28PM

seamus wrote: »

Why would you seriously listen to a Nazi's interpretation of a simple document when you could just read it for yourself?

Because I want to hear what others, certainly more educated than I am, have to say about it.

AndyTheDude · 01-12-2018 06:32PM

seamus wrote: »

Why would you seriously listen to a Nazi's interpretation of a simple document when you could just read it for yourself?

That's an important aspect of open-mindedness: you listen to different opinions and then you make up your own mind. Looks like this approach is not something you'd embrace.

Sonics2k · 01-12-2018 06:33PM

I ****ing love all the precious right wing snowflakes being triggered by something that isn't real.

For all their whining about triggered libtards, there sure are a lot of tears flowing at the moment.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 01-12-2018 06:40PM

DS86DS wrote: »

Bring on Irexit.

Yeah, bring on the exodus of large multinationals and mass unemployment. That's what we really need.

DS86DS · 01-12-2018 06:52PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yeah, bring on the exodus of large multinationals and mass unemployment. That's what we really need.

Let's cut to the chase once and for all about this. We got economic prosperity thanks to US multinationals setting up base in Ireland due to our inviting tax rates.

We don't have anywhere near the red tape that businesses are forced to go through in countries like France. But ironically the more power the EU gets over Ireland, it will turn Ireland into a more rigid, highly taxed economy where businesses will drown in red tape.

Our prosperity has to do with US multinationals finding Ireland to be an attractive destination to do business thanks to the absence of high taxes and red tape, along with the lack of a language barrier. It has nothing to do with the EU.

If anything the more we get involved in the EU, the more danger we put our favoured status with American companies at risk.

Dyr · 01-12-2018 06:57PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

I ****ing love all the precious right wing snowflakes being triggered by something that isn't real.

For all their whining about triggered libtards, there sure are a lot of tears flowing at the moment.

The thing is that it's liberals who tend to rely on appeals to compassion, hence the predisposition to tears

Conservatives tends to get angry to motivate people

TBH on reading over this document, its not looking good to me, looks very much like a globalist charter for importing labour.

It's stated raison d'etre is that no nation can manage migration alone. The truth is a lot of nations can but the UN just doesn't want them to

I don't see how we are going to benefit from this charter in any tangible way

seamus · 01-12-2018 07:00PM

AndyTheDude wrote: »

That's an important aspect of open-mindedness: you listen to different opinions and then you make up your own mind. Looks like this approach is not something you'd embrace.

A common misconception. "If you don't listen to my opinion, you're closed minded!". No. Open minded simply means that you take data, consume it objectively and form an opinion. When you get new data which conflicts with your opinion, you find ways to change your opinion to fit the new data, assuming the new data is genuine.

It does not obligate a person to seek out nor give weight to the opinion of another person. However it does Carey an obligation to compare the opinion of another against the data, rather than one's own opinion, and to call out when that other person's opinion does not fit the data.

But obviously this requires having seen the data first. Listening to someone else give their opinion on data you haven't seen, is going to mean that you do not know the data or have the correct facts.

Not listening to the opinion of someone doesn't mean you're not open minded. Not listening to data, does.

Fann Linn · 01-12-2018 07:01PM

Bambi wrote: »

The thing is that it's liberals who tend to rely on appeals to compassion, hence the predisposition to tears

Conservatives tends to get angry to motivate people

TBH on reading over this document, its not looking good to me, looks very much like a globalist charter for importing labour.

It's stated raison d'etre is that no nation can manage migration alone. The truth is a lot of nations can but the UN just doesn't want them to

I don't see how we are going to benefit from this charter in any tangible way

You're a racist so if you think like that, even though you make a valid argument.

seamus · 01-12-2018 07:10PM

Bambi wrote: »

It's stated raison d'etre is that no nation can manage migration alone. The truth is a lot of nations can but the UN just doesn't want them to

Well no, that's not correct. No single nation can control international migration alone. It requires an international effort.

I don't see how we are going to benefit from this charter in any tangible way

Well for one, a primary goal is to reduce migration of necessity. So it aims for far fewer refugees and people fleeing from poverty. That is, more migrants who migrate because they want to, not because they have to.

DS86DS · 01-12-2018 07:11PM

Bambi wrote: »

The thing is that it's liberals who tend to rely on appeals to compassion, hence the predisposition to tears

Conservatives tends to get angry to motivate people

TBH on reading over this document, its not looking good to me, looks very much like a globalist charter for importing labour.

It's stated raison d'etre is that no nation can manage migration alone. The truth is a lot of nations can but the UN just doesn't want them to

I don't see how we are going to benefit from this charter in any tangible way

Liberalism is the next step to Communism. It starts with the whiny and petulant little brother that throws temper tantrums and he thinks he knows better than those who are wiser than him.

But given enough time he becomes Big Brother and you wake up one morning to find yourself living in an authoritarian Orwellian nightmare.

ancapailldorcha · 01-12-2018 07:13PM

Euroscepticism has become an ideology of lies, fake news and victimhood fetishisation as far as I can see. Shame as the EU should be scrutinised but I can't think of anyone in the press I trust to do it.

DS86DS · 01-12-2018 07:22PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Euroscepticism has become an ideology of lies, fake news and victimhood fetishisation as far as I can see. Shame as the EU should be scrutinised but I can't think of anyone in the press I trust to do it.

No it hasn't. I want to be Irish. I want my country to make its own choices. I want my country to preserve its way of life and thousands of years of history. I want the Irish Constitution to be the supreme law of the land.

I don't want some suit in Brussels or the UN who thinks he knows what's best and leaves my country of Ireland with all its laws, customs and history on the scrap heap of history.

Any politicans in Brussels signing over power to the EU over their countries are committing acts of treason...no two ways about it.

Lefty Bicek · 01-12-2018 07:23PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Economic migrants, every single one of them. We don't mind those migrants though cos they are white and Irish.

What's to mind ?

'White and Irish' makes it very likely that where they go, they will work and will integrate.

Much of what that idiot Merkel encouraged into Europe is completely opposite to that.

_Kaiser_ · 01-12-2018 07:23PM

seamus wrote: »

Well no, that's not correct. No single nation can control international migration alone. It requires an international effort.

Well for one, a primary goal is to reduce migration of necessity. So it aims for far fewer refugees and people fleeing from poverty. That is, more migrants who migrate because they want to, not because they have to.

And yet there seems to be no details as to how this is to be achieved, how it will be funded, and what qualifies as "having to"

And a single nation can certainly control international migration and its effects on that nation - it's called border control.

WinnyThePoo · 01-12-2018 07:24PM

Why are we getting peppered with alt right videos on here. Stefan Molyneux has to be one of the most insane 'content creators' out there.

Dyr · 01-12-2018 07:25PM

seamus wrote: »

Well no, that's not correct. No single nation can control international migration alone. It requires an international effort.

Well for one, a primary goal is to reduce migration of necessity. So it aims for far fewer refugees and people fleeing from poverty. That is, more migrants who migrate because they want to, not because they have to.

You had to re frame what I posted to mean something else in order to argue against. I never mentioned international migration. Dishonest and admission that you don't really have a point. There are many nations which are capable of controlling migration into their country via effective control of their geographic borders, points of ingress and their migration policy. Australia being an obvious example of all three, hence their refusal to get on board

ancapailldorcha · 01-12-2018 07:27PM

DS86DS wrote: »

No it hasn't. I want to be Irish. I want my country to make its own choices. I want my country to preserve its way of life and thousands of years of history. I want the Irish Constitution to be the supreme law of the land.

I don't want some suit in Brussels or the UN who thinks he knows what's best and leaves my country of Ireland with all its laws, customs and history on the scrap heap of history.

Any politicans in Brussels signing over power to the EU over their countries are committing acts of treason...no two ways about it.

You're basically proving my point here. This is just silly nonsense that is so vague that Eurosceptics and worse will use regardless simply because it has no specifics or facts to it.

Wibbs · 01-12-2018 07:33PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Shame as the EU should be scrutinised but I can't think of anyone in the press I trust to do it.

Very much so. Though I'd not stop at the press. It's an extremely binary and partisan subject. It almost inevitably goes towards the extremes of the EU is the devil, or the EU is our saviour, when neither are true.

seamus wrote: »

Well no, that's not correct. No single nation can control international migration alone.

They can in one practical way for that nation, nip it in the bud and heavily regulate it at their borders. And by that I mean in the case of Ireland severely restricting anyone but actual refugees. Particularly young fighting aged males. We're far enough away from the usual migratory routes that anyone showing up here has gone through at least one if not two safe countries. About the only reason they're heading here is the high welfare state. A welfare state that will buckle under such pressure if it increases.

Though I have little hope that the lickspittles to "multiculturalism" we currently have running this country will have the spine to say no. Repeating Merkel's come on in idiocy(which even she has finally copped was stupid, and even had the sniff of a threatened military coup out of it) seems to be their spiel and with little to zero consultation with those on the ground who will end up suffering because of their stupid policies. Again they seem hellbent on repeating the same failed policies of every other European nation.

sameoldname · 01-12-2018 07:35PM

DS86DS wrote: »

Let's cut to the chase once and for all about this. We got economic prosperity thanks to US multinationals setting up base in Ireland due to our inviting tax rates.

We don't have anywhere near the red tape that businesses are forced to go through in countries like France. But ironically the more power the EU gets over Ireland, it will turn Ireland into a more rigid, highly taxed economy where businesses will drown in red tape.

Our prosperity has to do with US multinationals finding Ireland to be an attractive destination to do business thanks to the absence of high taxes and red tape, along with the lack of a language barrier. It has nothing to do with the EU.

If anything the more we get involved in the EU, the more danger we put our favoured status with American companies at risk.

That argument is catastrophically stupid. You don't think the reason the US multinationals are here might, just might, have the smallest thing to do with the fact we're in the EU single market? Or do they make all their profits from the 4.7 million of us?

MEP "Criticism of migration will become a criminal offense"

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