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Why Irish cities are tiny except for Dublin

  • 30-11-2018 11:37PM
    #1
    Pretzeluck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 325 ✭✭


    Dublin urban population 1.17mil
    Cork urban population: 200k

    If you look at any other country, you will see that the capital and top 5 cities do not have such a massive gap in size and population. For example let's take Netherlands

    Amsterdam, Netherlands. 1.3mil
    Rotterdam, Netherlands 1mil
    The Hague, Netherlands 657k

    Netherlands has a larger population but even their capital has less people than Dublin and if we compare populations is 4.4mil vs 17mil.
    Is this the result of poor management making Ireland a city-state?


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_Zealand


  • #3
    mikhail
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom


  • #4
    frag420
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    It’s more that Dublin keeps on Dublin in size...


  • #5
    amcalester
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    Coppers pulls all the young folk to Dublin and doesn’t let them go.


  • #6
    Pretzeluck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 325 ✭✭Pretzeluck


    Dónal wrote: »
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_Zealand

    Much more balanced still 2nd and 3rd cities have 400k population. Nz population 4.9mil so not that different.


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  • #7
    Pretzeluck
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    mikhail wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

    What are you trying to prove? It's well balanced, yes capital is larger but not that much larger


  • #8
    ted1
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    What does our second city (Belfast) have ?


  • #9
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    ted1 wrote: »
    What does our second city have ?

    About 600,000.


  • #10
    mick malones mauser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭mick malones mauser


    Its just because Dublin is great AND all the Culchies want to live here.
    The Vikings knew what they were at when they settled here. Mountains cradling it protecting it,Sea there for a quick escape route to Britain if the Culchies become too much to bear.(Coppers on a Friday night, Offaly Gaa tops moaning about Dem Dubs and what an awful place they find themselves in etc)
    Even recent storms etc, the West and South of Ireland wiped out, thousands dead, electricity and water supplies cut off for months.....Dublin, Sky Box fluttered for a few minutes and I missed the start of the match.
    Simple really


  • #11
    OldMrBrennan83
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    ted1 wrote: »
    What does our second city (Belfast) have ?

    Or our third city (Madrid)?


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  • #12
    fleet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭fleet


    Amsterdam city is well under a million (about 800k), and once you're 2-3 km outside the centre it's mostly semi-Ds like here.

    The US has close to 300 million people... and 10 cities over 1 million.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

    It's China you want to look at for cities with high pop.


  • #13
    timthumbni
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    London dopeys and sneezeys over any of the other English cities.


  • #14
    DS86DS
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    We never had an industrial revolution. The pre-industrial populations of all urban areas bar a few like Paris, London and Beijing were tiny.

    Even New York at the time of the American Revolution only had a population of about 20,000


  • #15
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    What are you trying to prove? It's well balanced, yes capital is larger but not that much larger

    London/Birmingham = 9,787,426/2,553,379 = 3.83
    Dublin/Cork = 1,173,179/208,669 = 5.62

    Astronomical difference?

    Geographically, we're all in London's hinterland anyway.

    Also, the population distribution here is highly skewed by our history - industrialisation, famine, emigration patterns, politics...

    0Ym820U.png


  • #16
    Pretzeluck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 325 ✭✭Pretzeluck


    mikhail wrote: »
    London/Birmingham = 9,787,426/2,553,379 = 3.83
    Dublin/Cork = 1,173,179/208,669 = 5.62

    Astronomical difference?

    Geographically, we're all in London's hinterland anyway.

    Also, the population distribution here is highly skewed by our history - industrialisation, famine, emigration patterns, politics...

    0Ym820U.png

    Birmingham is still much larger than Dublin with plenty of opportunities. What opportunities does Cork and Limerick have?


  • #17
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    Dublin urban population 1.17mil
    Cork urban population: 200k

    If you look at any other country, you will see that the capital and top 5 cities do not have such a massive gap in size and population. For example let's take Netherlands

    Amsterdam, Netherlands. 1.3mil
    Rotterdam, Netherlands 1mil
    The Hague, Netherlands 657k

    Netherlands has a larger population but even their capital has less people than Dublin and if we compare populations is 4.4mil vs 17mil.
    Is this the result of poor management making Ireland a city-state?

    We have countless villages and small towns and are one of the least urbanised western nations.

    Legacy of an inherently agricultural country and people


  • #18
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    Much more balanced still 2nd and 3rd cities have 400k population. Nz population 4.9mil so not that different.

    Ireland has only two cities with populations over 100 k, New Zealand has seven.

    It's a new country however.


  • #19
    Pretzeluck
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Ireland has only two cities with populations over 100 k, New Zealand has six.

    You probably misunderstood my post, it's what I was trying to say.


  • #20
    Mad_maxx
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    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    You probably misunderstood my post, it's what I was trying to say.

    Probably, the toy show has my brain fried.


  • #21
    OldMrBrennan83
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    mikhail wrote: »
    London/Birmingham = 9,787,426/2,553,379 = 3.83
    Dublin/Cork = 1,173,179/208,669 = 5.62

    Astronomical difference?

    Geographically, we're all in London's hinterland anyway.

    Also, the population distribution here is highly skewed by our history - industrialisation, famine, emigration patterns, politics...

    0Ym820U.png

    We'd be fairly tight if the graph had kept going at the same rate before the genocide.


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  • #22
    timthumbni
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    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    Birmingham is still much larger than Dublin with plenty of opportunities. What opportunities does Cork and Limerick have?

    Plenty of opportunities to do what exactly?


  • #23
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Patww79 wrote: »
    We'd be fairly tight if the graph had kept going at the same rate before the genocide.

    "We're just not really convinced with that whole industrial revolution thing they have going on over there. We think spuds are a better bet. Time will tell."


  • #24
    OldMrBrennan83
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    "We're just not really convinced with that whole industrial revolution thing they have going on over there. We think spuds are a better bet. Time will tell."

    Spoken like a true filthy hun. Might as well just post the chicken supper song.


  • #25
    holyhead
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    Interestingly enough if you fly from west to east the country gets richer. Dublin is, relatively speaking, a huge urban centre to which people gravitate due to work opportunities, leisure possibilities and education. Dublin historically has always had a much larger traditional urban area relative to other centres in the country. Does anyone feel the proximity of Dublin to the UK is a factor? Before some smartarse mentions Dundalk I mean England!


  • #26
    timthumbni
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    Spoken like a true filthy hun. Might as well just post the chicken supper song.

    You are some boy.....


  • #27
    yew_tree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    You need to read up on the famine and our long history of emigration to understand why Ireland’s population is so small and sparse.

    There was a study done a while back that estimated our population would be over 30 million now if we didn’t have a famine.

    Also Dublin is a small city by international standards.


  • #28
    OldMrBrennan83
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    timthumbni wrote: »
    You are some boy.....

    That's what you lot do isn't it?

    That said it's my own fault for actually reading one of that tramps posts.


    _


  • #29
    ted1
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    holyhead wrote: »
    Interestingly enough if you fly from west to east the country gets richer. Dublin is, relatively speaking, a huge urban centre to which people gravitate due to work opportunities, leisure possibilities and education. Dublin historically has always had a much larger traditional urban area relative to other centres in the country. Does anyone feel the proximity of Dublin to the UK is a factor? Before some smartarse mentions Dundalk I mean England!
    Fly the opposite way and disposal income increases. No point being rich if it all goes on rent


  • #30
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    yew_tree wrote: »
    You need to read up on the famine and our long history of emigration to understand why Ireland’s population is so small and sparse.

    There was a study done a while back that estimated our population would be over 30 million now if we didn’t have a famine.

    Also Dublin is a small city by international standards.

    Is that a bad thing though? Big is not necessarily better.


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  • #31
    timthumbni
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    That's what you lot do isn't it?

    Jaysus. The sectarianism is dripping out of you. I am referring to the your filthy hun comment. Wise up.


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