Why Irish cities are tiny except for Dublin

Pretzeluck

Dublin urban population 1.17mil
Cork urban population: 200k

If you look at any other country, you will see that the capital and top 5 cities do not have such a massive gap in size and population. For example let's take Netherlands

Amsterdam, Netherlands. 1.3mil
Rotterdam, Netherlands 1mil
The Hague, Netherlands 657k

Netherlands has a larger population but even their capital has less people than Dublin and if we compare populations is 4.4mil vs 17mil.
Is this the result of poor management making Ireland a city-state?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_Zealand

mikhail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

frag420

It’s more that Dublin keeps on Dublin in size...

amcalester

Coppers pulls all the young folk to Dublin and doesn’t let them go.

Pretzeluck

Dónal wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_Zealand

Much more balanced still 2nd and 3rd cities have 400k population. Nz population 4.9mil so not that different.

Pretzeluck

mikhail wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

What are you trying to prove? It's well balanced, yes capital is larger but not that much larger

ted1

What does our second city (Belfast) have ?

The Rape of Lucretia

ted1 wrote: »

What does our second city have ?

About 600,000.

mick malones mauser

Its just because Dublin is great AND all the Culchies want to live here.
The Vikings knew what they were at when they settled here. Mountains cradling it protecting it,Sea there for a quick escape route to Britain if the Culchies become too much to bear.(Coppers on a Friday night, Offaly Gaa tops moaning about Dem Dubs and what an awful place they find themselves in etc)
Even recent storms etc, the West and South of Ireland wiped out, thousands dead, electricity and water supplies cut off for months.....Dublin, Sky Box fluttered for a few minutes and I missed the start of the match.
Simple really

OldMrBrennan83

ted1 wrote: »

What does our second city (Belfast) have ?

Or our third city (Madrid)?

fleet

Amsterdam city is well under a million (about 800k), and once you're 2-3 km outside the centre it's mostly semi-Ds like here.

The US has close to 300 million people... and 10 cities over 1 million.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

It's China you want to look at for cities with high pop.

timthumbni

London dopeys and sneezeys over any of the other English cities.

DS86DS

We never had an industrial revolution. The pre-industrial populations of all urban areas bar a few like Paris, London and Beijing were tiny.

Even New York at the time of the American Revolution only had a population of about 20,000

mikhail

Pretzeluck wrote: »

What are you trying to prove? It's well balanced, yes capital is larger but not that much larger

London/Birmingham = 9,787,426/2,553,379 = 3.83
Dublin/Cork = 1,173,179/208,669 = 5.62

Astronomical difference?

Geographically, we're all in London's hinterland anyway.

Also, the population distribution here is highly skewed by our history - industrialisation, famine, emigration patterns, politics...

Pretzeluck

mikhail wrote: »

London/Birmingham = 9,787,426/2,553,379 = 3.83
Dublin/Cork = 1,173,179/208,669 = 5.62

Astronomical difference?

Geographically, we're all in London's hinterland anyway.

Also, the population distribution here is highly skewed by our history - industrialisation, famine, emigration patterns, politics...

Birmingham is still much larger than Dublin with plenty of opportunities. What opportunities does Cork and Limerick have?

Mad_maxx

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Dublin urban population 1.17mil
Cork urban population: 200k

If you look at any other country, you will see that the capital and top 5 cities do not have such a massive gap in size and population. For example let's take Netherlands

Amsterdam, Netherlands. 1.3mil
Rotterdam, Netherlands 1mil
The Hague, Netherlands 657k

Netherlands has a larger population but even their capital has less people than Dublin and if we compare populations is 4.4mil vs 17mil.
Is this the result of poor management making Ireland a city-state?

We have countless villages and small towns and are one of the least urbanised western nations.

Legacy of an inherently agricultural country and people

Mad_maxx

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Much more balanced still 2nd and 3rd cities have 400k population. Nz population 4.9mil so not that different.

Ireland has only two cities with populations over 100 k, New Zealand has seven.

It's a new country however.

Pretzeluck

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Ireland has only two cities with populations over 100 k, New Zealand has six.

You probably misunderstood my post, it's what I was trying to say.

Mad_maxx

Pretzeluck wrote: »

You probably misunderstood my post, it's what I was trying to say.

Probably, the toy show has my brain fried.

OldMrBrennan83

mikhail wrote: »

London/Birmingham = 9,787,426/2,553,379 = 3.83
Dublin/Cork = 1,173,179/208,669 = 5.62

Astronomical difference?

Geographically, we're all in London's hinterland anyway.

Also, the population distribution here is highly skewed by our history - industrialisation, famine, emigration patterns, politics...

We'd be fairly tight if the graph had kept going at the same rate before the genocide.

timthumbni

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Birmingham is still much larger than Dublin with plenty of opportunities. What opportunities does Cork and Limerick have?

Plenty of opportunities to do what exactly?

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Patww79 wrote: »

We'd be fairly tight if the graph had kept going at the same rate before the genocide.

"We're just not really convinced with that whole industrial revolution thing they have going on over there. We think spuds are a better bet. Time will tell."

OldMrBrennan83

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

"We're just not really convinced with that whole industrial revolution thing they have going on over there. We think spuds are a better bet. Time will tell."

Spoken like a true filthy hun. Might as well just post the chicken supper song.

holyhead

Interestingly enough if you fly from west to east the country gets richer. Dublin is, relatively speaking, a huge urban centre to which people gravitate due to work opportunities, leisure possibilities and education. Dublin historically has always had a much larger traditional urban area relative to other centres in the country. Does anyone feel the proximity of Dublin to the UK is a factor? Before some smartarse mentions Dundalk I mean England!

timthumbni

Patww79 wrote: »

Spoken like a true filthy hun. Might as well just post the chicken supper song.

You are some boy.....

yew_tree

You need to read up on the famine and our long history of emigration to understand why Ireland’s population is so small and sparse.

There was a study done a while back that estimated our population would be over 30 million now if we didn’t have a famine.

Also Dublin is a small city by international standards.

OldMrBrennan83

timthumbni wrote: »

You are some boy.....

That's what you lot do isn't it?

That said it's my own fault for actually reading one of that tramps posts.


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ted1

holyhead wrote: »

Interestingly enough if you fly from west to east the country gets richer. Dublin is, relatively speaking, a huge urban centre to which people gravitate due to work opportunities, leisure possibilities and education. Dublin historically has always had a much larger traditional urban area relative to other centres in the country. Does anyone feel the proximity of Dublin to the UK is a factor? Before some smartarse mentions Dundalk I mean England!

Fly the opposite way and disposal income increases. No point being rich if it all goes on rent

timthumbni

yew_tree wrote: »

You need to read up on the famine and our long history of emigration to understand why Ireland’s population is so small and sparse.

There was a study done a while back that estimated our population would be over 30 million now if we didn’t have a famine.

Also Dublin is a small city by international standards.

Is that a bad thing though? Big is not necessarily better.

timthumbni

Patww79 wrote: »

That's what you lot do isn't it?

Jaysus. The sectarianism is dripping out of you. I am referring to the your filthy hun comment. Wise up.

Pretzeluck

timthumbni wrote: »

Is that a bad thing though? Big is not necessarily better.

It's not but the problems it has are the same as international city such as massive housing prices

yew_tree

timthumbni wrote: »

Is that a bad thing though? Big is not necessarily better.

Dublin has its good points and has a great energy for a city it’s size but public transport leaves a lot to be desired. Also a huge opportunity was missed to build up in the docklands.

Also is this thread about population trends? Of course more does not mean better...Galway has a better nightlife than most UK towns bigger than it.

The Rape of Lucretia

Pretzeluck wrote: »

It's not but the problems it has are the same as international city such as massive housing prices

Dublin is middling on that front :

https://checkinprice.com/europe-square-meter-prices/

Gimme A Pound

Because Ireland is a very under industrialised country with vast tracts (relative to its size) suited to agriculture.

cournioni

I wouldn’t call Belfast tiny in fairness.

OldMrBrennan83

yew_tree wrote: »

Dublin has its good points and has a great energy for a city it’s size but public transport leaves a lot to be desired. Also a huge opportunity was missed to build up in the docklands.

Also is this thread about population trends? Of course more does not mean better...Galway has a better nightlife than most UK towns bigger than it.

It used to have. Just priced itself too far these days though and doesn't have the upkeep to go with it.

timthumbni

Pretzeluck wrote: »

It's not but the problems it has are the same as international city such as massive housing prices

Always a problem in a capital city that is doing ok. I would hate to live in Dublin. I would hate to live in London. But others love it.

Gimme A Pound

timthumbni wrote: »

You are some boy.....

I disagree strongly with Pat's choice of language but that person being referred to is an annoying wind-up artist who just says things to provoke. Ireland didn't have the population for an industrial revolution so their comment was idiotic.

Frunchy

Dublin is a sh;thole.

dxhound2005

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Dublin urban population 1.17mil
Cork urban population: 200k

If you look at any other country, you will see that the capital and top 5 cities do not have such a massive gap in size and population. For example let's take Netherlands

Amsterdam, Netherlands. 1.3mil
Rotterdam, Netherlands 1mil
The Hague, Netherlands 657k

Netherlands has a larger population but even their capital has less people than Dublin and if we compare populations is 4.4mil vs 17mil.
Is this the result of poor management making Ireland a city-state?

The Hague is the real capital of The Netherlands, just like Cork is the real capital of Ireland.

Pretzeluck

timthumbni wrote: »

Always a problem in a capital city that is doing ok. I would hate to live in Dublin. I would hate to live in London. But others love it.

Same

Pretzeluck

cournioni wrote: »

I wouldn’t call Belfast tiny in fairness.

Northern Ireland is a different country

ted1

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The Hague is the real capital of The Netherlands, just like Cork is the real capital of Ireland.

It’s our third or possibly 4th city.

The Rape of Lucretia

Not really. When you hive what was clearly established as the second city out of the equation, for an already small country, then it should not surprise that the remaining cities see relatively small.

Take Denmark as a similarly sized country, where the difference is even more marked than Ireland:

1 Copenhagen , Capital Region 1,153,615
2 Aarhus 237,551
3 Odense 145,931
4 Aalborg 122,219


Its already a big decrease to Aarhus. Cut it out, and the jump to Odense makes the drop even more dramatic.

timthumbni

cournioni wrote: »

I wouldn’t call Belfast tiny in fairness.

Certainly not to its face. Boom boom... Belfast isn’t tiny but relative to world cities such as London, Paris, New York etc then it is. All relative of course but I could walk around Belfast city centre in under an hour. That’s not a bad thing btw.

ted1

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not really. When you hive what was clearly established as the second city out of the equation, for an already small country, then it should not surprise that the remaining cities see relatively small.

Take Denmark as a similarly sized country, where the difference is even more marked than Ireland:

1 Copenhagen , Capital Region 1,153,615
2 Aarhus 237,551
3 Odense 145,931
4 Aalborg 122,219


Its already a big decrease to Aarhus. Cut it out, and the jump to Odense makes the drop even more dramatic.

Geographically speaking where do they sit?

Dublin come to the Uk
Belfast close to the Uk
Limerick on the Shannon mid way
Cork tip of Europe.

Are numbers 2,3 and 4 in Denmark isolated or in the back arse if no Where

timthumbni

Addisyn Spicy Backstop wrote: »

I disagree strongly with Pat's choice of language but that person being referred to is an annoying wind-up artist who just says things to provoke. Ireland didn't have the population for an industrial revolution so their comment was idiotic.

I have no idea who the other poster is. But pats choice of words is not excused by that other post. Pretty disgusting actually. No wonder the words United and Ireland seem so far apart.

DS86DS

yew_tree wrote: »

Dublin has its good points and has a great energy for a city it’s size but public transport leaves a lot to be desired. Also a huge opportunity was missed to build up in the docklands.

Also is this thread about population trends? Of course more does not mean better...Galway has a better nightlife than most UK towns bigger than it.

Don't get me started on the Docklands, we could have had high quality, high rise buildings designed by some of the world's top architects, including a modern skyline to rival other world cities.

Instead we got stumpy and unimaginative boxes all of the way down the Liffey and Grand Canal basin. And even where we got some height...... Capital Dock is an absolute eyesore. Cheap and tacky materials and overall has the appearance of a public housing block in Brooklyn

Dublin Corporation are an absolute joke. The Docklands should have been left in the hands of people who knew what the hell they were doing............not some muppets in Dublin Corporation who think anything over 6 stories will result in the Manhattanisation of Dublin.

kravmaga

DS86DS wrote: »

We never had an industrial revolution. The pre-industrial populations of all urban areas bar a few like Paris, London and Beijing were tiny.

Even New York at the time of the American Revolution only had a population of about 20,000

yes we did, Belfast was a very industrial city way more so than Dublin, Ship building, Linen mills etc etc

Gimme A Pound

timthumbni wrote: »

I have no idea who the other poster is. But pats choice of words is not excused by that other post. Pretty disgusting actually. No wonder the words United and Ireland seem so far apart.

Because of one guy? Probably a lot more to it than that. I don't wish for a united Ireland myself though.

But anyway, yeah I know his language is very bigoted - was just saying why I think he was annoyed.