Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

everlast75 wrote: »

the proverbial is definitely about to hit the fan.....




https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1067777368733962246

He seems to have gone on a small run of retweeting that account. It is nuts.

The man needs help. At this point the thread may well be a load of slagging some mentally unwell man.

He should not have that position but there is little reason for a party to remove its own president and few other ways to do it.

everlast75 wrote: »

the proverbial is definitely about to hit the fan.....




https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1067777368733962246

Oh Sweet Jeebus!! Yet another new low breached!! When/where will it end?

Christy42 wrote: »

He seems to have gone on a small run of retweeting that account. It is nuts.

Which account is it ?(I tried but couldn't work it out).

edit: ah ,got it (pass the bag)

His twitter really holds no interest for me any more; it's just a distraction tool that he uses.

Rjd2 wrote: »

The problem for the GOP is they need the Trump base and the suburban educated people that ran for the hills in the midterms and getting them on the same team for 2020 and the future is a really big ask as ultimately their is so much differences between both and they probably loath each other.!

Some of the people the Never Trumper Neo Cons have suggested have been laughable, Kasich, Flake etc.

The one that has played it really well is Hailey who since getting her job from Trump has never slammed him while keeping her support in the Never Trumpers. She will be formidable when she runs for President, but how do the GOP speed it up for 2020?

Trump was elected with assistance of Wikileaks, the Russians, gerrymandering and Comey, to a degree.

Trump had 2 years to put his stamp on things, and go into the mid terms on the back of good economic status (thanks Obama!)

The midterms were record breakingly bad for the Reps, despite the positive economics.

Imagine the deficit come 2020, the fall out from the tariffs, or even there is a recession. The reps will be obliterated

Goal in 2020 is pretty simply for Dem presidential candidate.
1. Hold onto states won by Clinton in 2016 (which shouldn't be too difficult)
2. Flip Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Considering the Dems won the 3 Senate and 3 Governor elections in those states earlier this month it clearly should be where all their effort goes.

DrumSteve wrote: »

His twitter really holds no interest for me any more; it's just a distraction tool that he uses.

I don't agree with discounting his Twitter. Yes it's a distraction but much like the transcripts of his rambling interviews; they are a record of his character and his failings.

Words have power and words have consequences. His disjointed ramblings in those interviews he gives and his inflammatory tweets energise his base and drive his agenda. He continues to sow discord and confusion and those tweets are part of it. Hopefully something in his rantings will be able to be used against him before he can do irreparable damage.

relax carry on wrote: »

I don't agree with discounting his Twitter. Yes it's a distraction but much like the transcripts of his rambling interviews; they are a record of his character and his failings.

Words have power and words have consequences. His disjointed ramblings in those interviews he gives and his inflammatory tweets energise his base and drive his agenda. He continues to sow discord and confusion and those tweets are part of it. Hopefully something in his rantings will be able to be used against him before he can do irreparable damage.

But I don't think his peronal tweets on his personal twitter account will be archived once he leaves office. There is an official POTUS twitter account and other government accounts that are archived and when there is a change the outgoing person uses a new or existing one and not the government ones. I know the White House says Trumps tweets should be taken an official line from the president but as they aren't under the official presidential account will they be used against him ?

Itssoeasy wrote: »

But I don't think his peronal tweets on his personal twitter account will be archived once he leaves office. There is an official POTUS twitter account and other government accounts that are archived and when there is a change the outgoing person uses a new or existing one and not the government ones. I know the White House says Trumps tweets should be taken an official line from the president but as they aren't under the official presidential account will they be used against him ?

I don't know if all his tweeds will be kept forever, but there is an archive of his personal twitter account:

http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/

Not sure though if his tweets and his personal account will be kept in the WH archives, but at least it's in the public domain.
Historians might want to properly archive the tweets.

rossie1977 wrote: »

Flip Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

80,000 votes in those three states is what won it for Trump in 2016.

Tiny margins when you consider that 130 million voted in the election.

I saw Michael Moore on MSNBC saying that Michigan voters sent the message that they were pissed off with the Dems (and Hillary) by voting for Trump in 2016.

They're now pissed off with Trump and are sending the message that they want Progressive Democrats - he instanced Rashida Tlaib as an example - someone who won not because of her identity (one of the first two Muslim women in Congress and the first Palestinian-American woman in Congress) but because of the platform she supports (including Medicare For All and a $15 minimum wage).

It strikes me that all his life Trump has been working his way from one scam to the next, leaving a trail of lies, broken promises, unpaid bills and lawsuits in his wake. He almost ran out of road a few times but got bailed out by Russian "investors".

His usual M.O. doesn't work long term as POTUS. He's stuck in the White House. He can't run off to some other alternative US of A and start his scam all over again. When he lies and spins and exagerates, it's just instinct ingrained over 70 years of getting the suckers to sign up before he runs off to the the next con. He doesn't really expect to have to stand over anything he says or promises.

Except now he can't hide. Everything he has done and promised is hanging over him, and he can't slip away in the night or get his legal fixer to take care of it. He must be feeling pretty trapped right now. Who knows what he might try to dig himself out of the hole he's in.

He certainly doesn't seem to be one for learning new tricks. He's probably still trying to figure out which judge he will need to bribe or blackmail to keep himself out of prison. I doubt he could even manage to skip the country as POTUS, something I imagine he could do quite easily otherwise.

rossie1977 wrote: »

Goal in 2020 is pretty simply for Dem presidential candidate.
1. Hold onto states won by Clinton in 2016 (which shouldn't be too difficult)
2. Flip Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Considering the Dems won the 3 Senate and 3 Governor elections in those states earlier this month it clearly should be where all their effort goes.

And point 2 highlights how badly DNC electoral strategy failed in 2016 by not having HRC saturate those states.

Hopefully they've learned for 2020....
1) Don't take any place for granted and
2) The Clintons have no further role to play

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The RealDonaldTrump seems to be the source of most of the tweets I've seen (particularly the loopy/offensive ones). Is that not an official account, subject to all the rules regarding Presidential Archives?

Yeah. It's pretty irrelevant which account he uses. Everything he says while president is de facto from the president. It would be the same argument in earlier times if he wrote a letter on WH headed paper or blank paper.

Pardoning Manafort at this stage neither helps Trump nor hurts Mueller. If Mueller is already proceeding with pulling the plea deal from Manafort for lying, it means they already have whatever they need from him and already had evidence to counter his lies. Manafort was a tool (in numerous senses of the word), but not something the investigation hinges on. It would only be bad optics for Trump.

The question would be, would those bad optics outweigh the risk of Manafort realising he's not getting a pardon and decides to actually fully turn on Trump.

circadian wrote: »

I see Corsi went on Ari Melber last night to "spill the beans" on his involvement in the probe.

I suspect he is both covering for Stone and using this as a means to get information to the Trump admin. He also ran with the "Mueller offered me a plea deal in return for a lie" in a attempt to discredit the SC.

I wonder if the likes of MSNBC get the go ahead from the special counsel to let people like this on, is this part of the play to let those involved think they're making a smart move but in reality they're just tightening the noose.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/key-mueller-witness-i-lied-and-i-m-ready-to-die-in-jail-1383185475967?v=railb&

Was half expecting his lawyer to extend a shepherd's crook from left of camera to yank him off screen to stop him talking when he said he lied to Congress