Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 28-11-2018 03:36PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There should be a soft move into the traveller culture by the non-travellers.
A cultural exchange.

I have to ask as a serious question -- have you ever interacted with actual Travellers?

Honestly, you are coming off sounding like an earnest sociology or psychology student here, full of textbook ideas about integration and cultural exchange, but a bit unaware of what it's like to deal with actual Travellers.

sasta le · 28-11-2018 03:38PM

Why isn’t anything done about the abuse of children in the traveling community?

gwalk · 28-11-2018 03:40PM

sasta le wrote: »

Why isn’t anything done about the abuse of children in the traveling community?

T'is Culture, boss

Lefty Bicek · 28-11-2018 03:45PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not defelction.You seem to be getting either intentionally/unintentionally confused.
.

I'm not confused about anything. You wrote...

non-travellers? Are the larger majority so they are the ones the position of power, governement, media etc etc.

That is just false, as others have pointed out. Sly, almost.

Even if it were true it matters not, because since, as you said...

The travellers have put themselves in a strange position they rarely interact on a personal level (never mind intermarry) with non-travellers.

They have agency.

They are the ones with the inferior educational attainment, inferior health outcomes and life expectancy, inferior attitudes to women's reproductive rights etc etc etc

They need to get their acts together, and they don't need to be mates with me to do it.

Floppybits · 28-11-2018 03:59PM

What does a soft move to Traveler culture mean? Why does the majority have to make that move? Why can't the Traveler move to the settle way?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 28-11-2018 04:01PM

sasta le wrote: »

Why isn’t anything done about the abuse of children in the traveling community?

As I said before, if a settled person took his 12-year-old daughter out of school and then married her off to a cousin when she was 16, it would be a national scandal.

When Travellers do it, we're told that we have to respect their culture and traditions.

The government recently proposed raising the minimum age of marriage to 18, with no exceptions to be granted by the courts. Travellers came out in protest, calling the move "anti-Traveller," and AFAIK the government has backed down.

Danielle Maughan, who appeared in the hit television show My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, got married the day after her 16th birthday. This is seen as entirely normal in Traveller culture, and few dare criticize it for fear of appearing "racist."

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2018 04:07PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

As I said before, if a settled person took his 12-year-old daughter out of school and then married her off to a cousin when she was 16, it would be a national scandal.

When Travellers do it, we're told that we have to respect their culture and traditions.

The government recently proposed raising the minimum age of marriage to 18, with no exceptions to be granted by the courts. Travellers came out in protest, calling the move "anti-Traveller," and AFAIK the government has backed down.

Danielle Maughan, who appeared in the hit television show My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, got married the day after her 16th birthday. This is seen as entirely normal in Traveller culture, and few dare criticize it for fear of appearing "racist."

even if the government did as planned they would just get married up the north.

stuff.hunter · 28-11-2018 04:09PM

...quite cant get it, marriage at 15 and, I presume that theres some kind of 'physical contact' involved (

) after which as far as I know, is illegal and being prosecuted or I'm wrong and sex with 15yrs old is OK now

KrustyUCC · 28-11-2018 04:18PM

I don't think that applies when they are married

"Ireland statutory rape law is violated when an individual has consensual sexual contact with a person under age 17 who is not their spouse"

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/ireland

I'm open to correction though

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2018 04:18PM

stuff.hunter wrote: »

...quite cant get it, marriage at 15 and, I presume that theres some kind of 'physical contact' involved ( ) after which as far as I know, is illegal and being prosecuted or I'm wrong and sex with 15yrs old is OK now

the minimum marriage in ireland is 18. You can only get married under 18 with a court order. In northern ireland the minimum age is also 18 BUT 16 and 17 year olds can get married with their parents consent. Once a person has married they are considered of legal age to have sex.

Gravelly · 28-11-2018 04:21PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I don't think that applies when they are married

"Ireland statutory rape law is violated when an individual has consensual sexual contact with a person under age 17 who is not their spouse"

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/ireland

I'm open to correction though

Wonder if that clause was put in especially to accommodate travellers?

thegetawaycar · 28-11-2018 04:23PM

Welfare cuts are the only thing that will force Travellers (or the won't work brigade) to engage.

Anyone who thinks that the money from Welfare is used on essentials is not paying attention to all the charities that give food, clothing and shelter to the scroungers (not just travellers).

If people don't want to cut the welfare payment fine then incentivise it, have a very low payment and for taking part in reading and writing courses get supplements, childrens allowance only while children are in formal schooling etc...

The councils are afraid of travellers, ring a council with a complaint on your neighbour over suspected fraud and then ring them on a traveller with the same issue and note the differences. Next election I'll be asking all politicians that call to my door what is their take on the entitlement culture, what they plan on doing about it and basing my vote on this.
If many others do the same it might improve.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 28-11-2018 04:28PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Wonder if that clause was put in especially to accommodate travellers?

Historically, the main reason for the court exemption was to allow an underage pregnant girl to marry the father of her unborn child and thus avoid the stigma of becoming an unmarried mother.

However, i'd say the main applicants for court exemptions these days are Travellers.

If a court grants permission for a 16-year-old girl to marry, it would naturally be inconsistent to prosecute her husband for having sex with her. So that's why the age of consent doesn't not apply to married couples.

Gravelly · 28-11-2018 04:29PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Historically, the main reason for the court exemption was to allow an underage pregnant girl to marry the father of her unborn child and thus avoid the stigma of becoming an unmarried mother.

However, i'd say the main applicants for court exemptions these days are Travellers.

If a court grants permission for a 16-year-old girl to marry, it would naturally be inconsistent to prosecute her husband for having sex with her. So that's why the age of consent doesn't not apply to married couples.

A paedophillia licence, basically.

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2018 04:31PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Wonder if that clause was put in especially to accommodate travellers?

Unlikely. Marrying young was the norm for all people 100 years ago. Travelers just stick to the old tradition of marrying young.

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2018 04:33PM

Gravelly wrote: »

A paedophillia licence, basically.

Until very recently a marriage licence was also a rape licence. No man could be convicted of raping his wife.

gormdubhgorm · 28-11-2018 05:09PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

I have to ask as a serious question -- have you ever interacted with actual Travellers?

Honestly, you are coming off sounding like an earnest sociology or psychology student here, full of textbook ideas about integration and cultural exchange, but a bit unaware of what it's like to deal with actual Travellers.

Yes I have.
And for the most part they were sound like anyone else.
I didn't get robbed, shot, or was even threatened to be shot.

Which is is why I said in my original post I was only ever robbed and threatened by non-travellers. Does that mean I should be more afraid of non-travellers?

When you break it down into its simplest for no interaction between groups, leads to fear of the unknown, which leads to prejudice, stereotyping and sensationalism.

I don't know why for the life of me that a more common sense approach is not taken, of people just getting to know each other as people.

All the other stuff the government has tired over the years has has largely failed.

Rory28 · 28-11-2018 05:12PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

people just getting to know each other as people.

how can we do that if we dont work with them or go to school with them?

CinemaGuy45 · 28-11-2018 05:29PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yes I have.
And for the most part they were sound like anyone else.
I didn't get robbed, shot, or was even threatened to be shot.

Which is is why I said in my original post I was only ever robbed and threatened by non-travellers. Does that mean I should be more afraid of non-travellers?

When you break it down into its simplest for no interaction between groups, leads to fear of the unknown, which leads to prejudice, stereotyping and sensationalism.

I don't know why for the life of me that a more common sense approach is not taken, of people just getting to know each other as people.

All the other stuff the government has tired over the years has has largely failed.

I am convinced your just a wind up to provoke anger as all your posts in this thread are insane.

This is the reality.

I have had enough interactions with these people that if only every met one more that would be one too many.:mad:

Jerichoholic · 28-11-2018 05:31PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yes I have.
And for the most part they were sound like anyone else.
I didn't get robbed, shot, or was even threatened to be shot.

Which is is why I said in my original post I was only ever robbed and threatened by non-travellers. Does that mean I should be more afraid of non-travellers?

When you break it down into its simplest for no interaction between groups, leads to fear of the unknown, which leads to prejudice, stereotyping and sensationalism.

I don't know why for the life of me that a more common sense approach is not taken, of people just getting to know each other as people.

All the other stuff the government has tired over the years has has largely failed.

Go for a drink in a pub when travelers are there, see what you think about it then.

CinemaGuy45 · 28-11-2018 05:37PM

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Go for a drink in a pub when travelers are there, see what you think about it then.

You're a racist nothing wrong with these people.

CinemaGuy45 · 28-11-2018 05:47PM

Sorry Mods I know the page is slow to load now with all of those videos but I am just demonstrating how utterly removed from reality repeated posts are from 2 or 3 posters that haunt all of these threads.

gormdubhgorm · 28-11-2018 06:09PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Sorry Mods I know the page is slow to load now with all of those videos but I am just demonstrating how utterly removed from reality repeated posts are from 2 or 3 posters that haunt all of these threads.

I have already addressed the points you made with the videos in previous posts:

ANY scumbag can be in a fight traveller or non-traveller.
I could post lots of videos of non-traveller fights put what would that prove?
Scumbags fight no matter where they are from.
I put up a post about the list of murders committed in Ireland for people to trawl through to see how many travellers committed them, as the majority of murders in Ireland are committed by non-travellers.

What you have done by posting those videos is lazy stereotyping.
Yes, traveller crime might be higher then non-traveller crime.
But if you compared travellers to non-travellers living in other disadvantaged parts of Ireland would there be that much difference?
The mentality by the disadvantaged criminal element of both travellers / non-travellers is the same.
Both use disadvantage as an excuse.

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2018 06:12PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I have already addressed the points you made with the videos in previous posts:

ANY scumbag can be in a fight traveller or non-traveller.
I put up a post about the list of muders committed in Ireland for people to trawl through to see how many travellers committted them, as the majority of murders in Irelnad are committed by non-travellers.

What you have done by posting those videos is lazy sterotyping.
Yes, traveller crime might be higher then non-traveller crime.
But if you compared travellers to non-travellers living in other disadvantaged parts of Ireland would there be that much difference?
The mentality by the criminal element of both travellers / non-ravellers

i dont think there is any "might be" about it.

WARNING: CONTAINS THE USUAL EXCUSES

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/disproportionate-number-of-travellers-in-prison-population-1.3263524

Gravelly · 28-11-2018 06:12PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

the majority of murders in Irelnad are committed by non-travellers.

Obviously, since the vast, vast majority of people in Ireland are "non-travellers" - if the majority of murders were carried out by travellers, it would be astonishing (and I bet you'd still come on and defend them!).

CinemaGuy45 · 28-11-2018 06:16PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont think there is any "might be" about it.

WARNING: CONTAINS THE USUAL EXCUSES

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/disproportionate-number-of-travellers-in-prison-population-1.3263524

Travellers make up 0.6 per cent of the population yet account for 10 per cent of the male prisoner population and 22 per cent of the female prison population.

In Castlerea prison, in Co Roscommon, over 50 per cent of prisoners are Travellers, according to figures presented at a conference in Dublin on Friday.

Quote from you link the bit in bold even I am shocked but I suppose I should not be really should I?

CinemaGuy45 · 28-11-2018 06:22PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I have already addressed the points you made with the videos in previous posts:

ANY scumbag can be in a fight traveller or non-traveller.
I could post lots of videos of non-traveller fights put what would that prove?
Scumbags fight no matter where they are from.
I put up a post about the list of murders committed in Ireland for people to trawl through to see how many travellers committed them, as the majority of murders in Ireland are committed by non-travellers.

What you have done by posting those videos is lazy stereotyping.
The tactic of you lot on these boards is to call for links I give you 21 one of them and you call it lazy stereotyping.
Yes, traveller crime might be higher then non-traveller crime.
You should be on stage with that one.
But if you compared travellers to non-travellers living in other disadvantaged parts of Ireland would there be that much difference?
The mentality by the disadvantaged criminal element of both travellers / non-travellers is the same.
Both use disadvantage as an excuse.

gormdubhgorm · 28-11-2018 06:24PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Travellers make up 0.6 per cent of the population yet account for 10 per cent of the male prisoner population and 22 per cent of the female prison population.

In Castlerea prison, in Co Roscommon, over 50 per cent of prisoners are Travellers, according to figures presented at a conference in Dublin on Friday.

Quote from you link the bit in bold even I am shocked but I suppose I should not be really should I?

To me that is obvious - again repeating myself.
If all the people of claondalkin declared themselves an ethic group tomorrow, what would the crime rate be total population 46,813 (similar to travellers total pop. in the island of Ireland)

http://www.echo.ie/tallaght/article/clondalkin-and-tallaght-amongst-highest-on-burglary-figures-list?category_id=5

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/coping-with-disadvantage-1.381661?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2018 06:26PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

To me that is obvious - again repeating myself.
If all the people of claondalkin declared themselves an ethic group tomorrow, what would the crime rate be total population 46,813 (similar to travellers total pop. in the island of Ireland)

http://www.echo.ie/tallaght/article/clondalkin-and-tallaght-amongst-highest-on-burglary-figures-list?category_id=5

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/coping-with-disadvantage-1.381661?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-
origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Feducation%2Fcoping-with-disadvantage-1.381661.

whataboutery. We all know where the problems lie but the travelers keep insisting it is the country people at fault. They wont accept responsibility for the actions of the group and they sure as hell won't do anything about it. They want country people to solve their problems for them.

gormdubhgorm · 28-11-2018 06:27PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

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It is lazy stereotyping how many fights have you seen in Dublin city centre on a weekend?
How many fights are there in chippers on a weekend?
Who causes them?

As I said before because the phrase 'settled people' is not used as the headline you refuse to see it.

A scumbag is a scumbag non-traveller or traveller.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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