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Guards - your rights

  • 28-11-2018 12:18PM
    #1
    alangeorge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭


    ok can someone tell me if you are in a place where the guards are investigating and they stop you what details do you have to give them..

    several people have said you don't have to tell them anything at all, say nothing

    what is the facts here please


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  • #2
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Please tell me you are live posting this!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #3
    magentis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭magentis


    Did they have their hats on?


  • #4
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    You don't have to give them anything if they're not wearing their hat.


  • #5
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Gardaí can request or demand things. You don't have to respond to a request but you have to respond to a demand. There are a number of powers under which they can demand details and can arrest you for not providing them.


  • #6
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Am I being detained?

    Am I free to go?


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  • #7
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    alangeorge wrote: »
    ok can someone tell me if you are in a place where the guards are investigating and they stop you what details do you have to give them..

    several people have said you don't have to tell them anything at all, say nothing

    what is the facts here please

    Name and address as far as I know.


  • #8
    RisingDamp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭RisingDamp


    If their badge number ends in 7 you have to provide them with answers to any questions they might ask


  • #9
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Name, address and vague movements. You don’t have to tell them your date of birth even though many of them will get p*ssy when you refuse to give it to them. They can also direct you to leave an area.


  • #10
    Humphrey BoaGart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Humphrey BoaGart


    Who did you Ice OP? ;)


  • #11
    McDermotX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,112 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    You have to tell them what you had for breakfast.


    BUT

    And this is the important bit.

    You are in no way obligated to tell them what you had for dinner last night.


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  • #12
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Name, address and vague movements. You don’t have to tell them your date of birth even though many of them will get p*ssy when you refuse to give it to them. They can also direct you to leave an area.


    You have to give date of birth under Road Traffic Act.


  • #13
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Do they have a warrant to search the premises

    That's the first question you should roar at them


  • #14
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭nthclare


    I don't really care because at the end of the day if you've nothing to hide does it matter what they ask or what you tell them.

    It all depends on how easily offended or wound up someone can be.
    I'd answer politely if I was asked anything.

    Now on the other hand if I was known to the guard's a social justice warrior or a snowflake leftie.
    I'd be feeling victimised and make a big deal out of it.
    It would probably end up a **** storm and they'ed have arrested​ me for being a stroppy wuss....


  • #15
    Doff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Doff


    Don't tell them anything, no one likes a rat


  • #16
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Doff wrote: »
    Don't tell them anything, no one likes a rat

    That's ok if you're a criminal and loyal to your mates.

    Definitely don't rat, but if you've nothing to hide the best thing is go along with them, they'll Justin shrug their shoulders and move on....

    But by being a petty drama queen and being all offended, you'll be harassed and draw their suspicion...


  • #17
    McDermotX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,112 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Do they have a warrant to search the premises

    That's the first question you should roar at them

    Second should be the always popular

    'Should you not be out catching real criminals ?'

    Guards always like that bit of constructive criticism.


  • #18
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    nthclare wrote: »
    I don't really care because at the end of the day if you've nothing to hide does it matter what they ask or what you tell them.....

    Yeah f*ck all that noise. “You’ve nothing to worry about if you’ve nothing to hide” is a seriously slippery slope and there’s a disturbing trend of surveillance and monitoring that’s after creeping into the world. Not to mention the fact that the Guards have constantly demonstrated institutional rot and malpractice on a variety of cases. This blanket idea that the cops can do no wrong and can be totally trusted isn’t one I would hold anyway.


  • #19
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    nthclare wrote: »
    I don't really care because at the end of the day if you've nothing to hide does it matter what they ask or what you tell them.

    It all depends on how easily offended or wound up someone can be.
    I'd answer politely if I was asked anything.

    Now on the other hand if I was known to the guard's a social justice warrior or a snowflake leftie.
    I'd be feeling victimised and make a big deal out of it.
    It would probably end up a **** storm and they'ed have arrested​ me for being a stroppy wuss....

    Tell that to Maurice McCabe


  • #20
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    alangeorge wrote: »
    ok can someone tell me if you are in a place where the guards are investigating and they stop you what details do you have to give them..

    several people have said you don't have to tell them anything at all, say nothing

    what is the facts here please

    If they are investigating a crime and you are a possible witness or they are looking to eliminate people from their enquires you must give your name and address. You can be arrested and taken to the station while they establish or confirm your identity if you refuse.

    But what I suggest everyone should do is go into snowflake mode, take out your phone and start filming everything spouting about data protection and civil rights and any other bullsh you read on the internet. That's the best approach.


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It mightn't be a bad idea to have a recording device on you during any dealings with them. There was a Lithuanian guy in Drogheda who was accused of smuggling guns and one of the detectives told him his children would be put into care and his other half arrested if he didn't admit his alleged guilt. He was recording this and his solicitor played it in court. End of trial there & then. The corrupt pr*ck of a guard never had any action taken against him I think.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2017/0320/861222-trial-collapse-court/


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  • #22
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Tell that to Maurice McCabe

    Good one :rolleyes:


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    nthclare wrote: »
    I don't really care because at the end of the day if you've nothing to hide does it matter what they ask or what you tell them.

    It all depends on how easily offended or wound up someone can be.
    I'd answer politely if I was asked anything.

    Now on the other hand if I was known to the guard's a social justice warrior or a snowflake leftie.
    I'd be feeling victimised and make a big deal out of it.
    It would probably end up a **** storm and they'ed have arrested​ me for being a stroppy wuss....

    Don't be ridiculous. Of course it does. This might startle you, but words actually convey meaning. The underlying tone is another factor.


  • #24
    kingchess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    any thing you say can be used in against you in a court of law,which means anything you say will not be used to help you-so stay silent,you guilty bastard you.


  • #25
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It mightn't be a bad idea to have a recording device on you during any dealings with them. There was a Lithuanian guy in Drogheda who was accused of smuggling guns and one of the detectives told him his children would be put into care and his other half arrested if he didn't admit his alleged guilt. He was recording this and his solicitor played it in court. End of trial there & then. The corrupt pr*ck of a guard never had any action taken against him I think.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2017/0320/861222-trial-collapse-court/

    In the USA the po-po are allowed lie to you in order to get to the truth.

    This is an excellent EXCELLENT lecture and if you have the time I recommend anyone watch it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE


  • #26
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    Good one :rolleyes:

    Location: Donegal.

    Sorry Gard.


  • #27
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    alangeorge wrote: »
    ok can someone tell me if you are in a place where the guards are investigating and they stop you what details do you have to give them..

    The newer recruits will just ask for your a/s/l and what your high score is on Candy Crush. Once that's entered in Pulse there's no going back.


  • #28
    drake70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭drake70


    Have a look at this thread OP

    Now Ye're Talking - to a member of An Garda Síochána
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057660959


  • #29
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    The newer recruits will just ask for your a/s/l and what your high score is on Candy Crush. Once that's entered in Pulse there's no going back.


    a/s/l? How old are these new recruits?


  • #30
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    I always give my neighbors name and address. ;)


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  • #31
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    McDermotX wrote: »
    Second should be the always popular

    'Should you not be out catching real criminals ?'

    Guards always like that bit of constructive criticism.


    Dont forget to remind them who pays their wages. They really love that.


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