So I got into an argument at a car park with a cheapskate

Raheem Euro · 27-11-2018 11:54AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cegX9Q1i-0o

glenfieldman · 27-11-2018 11:55AM

StereoSound wrote: »

Get a rear dash camera and put up a youtube channel to shame these clowns. When you get enough videos email RTE or whoever and see if they want to include the clips on something that they might be doing in the future.

Are you for real ???

This is against GDPR

The image of a person recorded by a dashcam constitutes personal data within the meaning of Article 2(a) of Directive 95/46/EC(1) and of Article 4(1) of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)(2) inasmuch as it allows for the identification of individuals and in the same way as image and sound data recorded by means of closed-circuit television (CCTV) and other video surveillance systems are considered personal data..

The legislation of the European Union on data protection applies to the processing of personal image data recorded by dashcams. While the EU data protection rules do not specifically refer to dashcams, they are technology neutral. The use of dashcams must comply with the principles and rules of the GDPR, including that the processing of personal data by dashcams is lawful.

In Germany there is no legislation specifically banning the use of dashcams. The national data protection supervisory authorities and courts are in charge of ensuring that the use of dashcams complies with the applicable data protection legislation. Current case law prohibits the publication of the material on the Internet. There already is case law in Germany and Austria on sanctioning the recording by private persons.

In order to encourage consistent application of the GDPR, the European Data Protection Board (EDPB) — the new EU body established by the GDPR, could issue guidelines, recommendations and best practices on the application of the GDPR in the respective area. In that context, the national data protection authorities, working together within the Board, would be able to give further guidance on this issue.

Raheem Euro · 27-11-2018 12:12PM

Since dash cam footage is evidence of a criminal offence, section 6 of Theft Act, it can lawfully be handed over to police who are entitled to use it in a prosecution. That is all contingent on the car park operator making a formal complaint to police - so you'd have to nudge them in that direction.

CyberGhost · 27-11-2018 12:19PM

glenfieldman wrote: »

StereoSound wrote: »

Get a rear dash camera and put up a youtube channel to shame these clowns. When you get enough videos email RTE or whoever and see if they want to include the clips on something that they might be doing in the future.

Are you for real ???

This is against GDPR

The image of a person recorded by a dashcam constitutes personal data within the meaning of Article 2(a) of Directive 95/46/EC(1) and of Article 4(1) of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)(2) inasmuch as it allows for the identification of individuals and in the same way as image and sound data recorded by means of closed-circuit television (CCTV) and other video surveillance systems are considered personal data..

The legislation of the European Union on data protection applies to the processing of personal image data recorded by dashcams. While the EU data protection rules do not specifically refer to dashcams, they are technology neutral. The use of dashcams must comply with the principles and rules of the GDPR, including that the processing of personal data by dashcams is lawful.

In Germany there is no legislation specifically banning the use of dashcams. The national data protection supervisory authorities and courts are in charge of ensuring that the use of dashcams complies with the applicable data protection legislation. Current case law prohibits the publication of the material on the Internet. There already is case law in Germany and Austria on sanctioning the recording by private persons.

In order to encourage consistent application of the GDPR, the European Data Protection Board (EDPB) — the new EU body established by the GDPR, could issue guidelines, recommendations and best practices on the application of the GDPR in the respective area. In that context, the national data protection authorities, working together within the Board, would be able to give further guidance on this issue.

Is it still illegal if I get out and film them with my phone? It is a public car park.

glenfieldman · 27-11-2018 12:23PM

CyberGhost wrote: »

Is it still illegal if I get out and film them with my phone? It is a public car park.

As far as I know, If you post the footage on line they could bring a case against you.
These GDPR rules only came into law in May, so its all still a bit of grey area until someone takes a case

amcalester · 27-11-2018 12:29PM

I thought the general premise of GDPR was that data can only be used for the purposes in which it was collected, so for example if a dashcam was set up to record footage to be used in the event of a collision then that is all the footage can be used for.

But, who is to say what purposes a motorist actually set up the dashcam in the first place. Could be for insurance purposes but could also be for the youtube lolz.

loyatemu · 27-11-2018 12:31PM

surely the car park mgmt could solve this with a couple of cameras. Film the freeloaders tailgating out, next time they come in, clamp them.

dastardly00 · 27-11-2018 12:41PM

Fair play OP. Fcuk those stingy pr*cks

B-D-P-- · 27-11-2018 12:45PM

Faaaakk...
I understand why you wouldnt let him out, and why you got a little verbal with him.

But you got legit angry shouting to yourself,, Chill da f out.
If you let strangers rile you up so easy, you'll end up an angry person all the time.

Best to go out, give him a bollocking and laugh it off.
Or be like this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff_1rt16wo4

Raheem Euro · 27-11-2018 12:51PM

Pity they havent these bus bollards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0wY-hvMC44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Cw0QJU8ro

Pintman Paddy Losty · 27-11-2018 01:09PM

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

ION08 · 27-11-2018 01:12PM

glenfieldman wrote: »

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/barrister-warns-that-dashcams-could-breach-gdpr-rules

You do realize that GDPR is only applicable to the collection and handling of data by an Organization. The GDPR implications in your link above would be for AXA not for the user of the Dashcam.

There are absolutely no GDPR implications for an end user effectively filming in a public place.

You are overreacting and jumping the gun.

Sit down ,relax, read up on GDPR again and stop derailing the OP's brilliant thread.

R.O.R · 27-11-2018 01:13PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

And that's what's wrong with the world today.

ondafly · 27-11-2018 01:13PM

Bravo Sir - and I particularly enjoyed your use of "Knobhead" - its not used enough anymore

27-11-2018 01:14PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

Are you for real?

loyatemu · 27-11-2018 01:17PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

nice to see we've moved on from

"immigrants, they're all crooks"

to

"immigrants, they're not crooked enough"

Gregor Samsa · 27-11-2018 01:22PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

When something is chargeable, and some people pay for it when others don’t, the people who do pay are in fact subsidising the ones who don’t. It’s not a neutral activity - the owners of the car park calculate their potential revenue based on the number of spaces and number of users. If some of those users don’t pay for some of those spaces, that still needs to be paid for by someone. That “someone” is the people who do pay. It’s no different to shoplifting - taking something you haven’t paid for, and thus causing expense to other people. Pretty scummy attitude to have, but unfortunately there’s that segment of society that seem to think they’re entitled to do what they want and make everyone else pick up the pieces.

Necro · 27-11-2018 01:26PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

Nothing surprises me from the lad who made his staff go to work in the worst storm we had in recent memory.

You keep on fighting the good fight though.:rolleyes:

Pintman Paddy Losty · 27-11-2018 01:30PM

R.O.R wrote: »

And that's what's wrong with the world today.

The OP was losing the plot and f-ing and blinding because someone tried to get one up on the system. It had no effect on him whatsoever. Total over reaction. I'd worry about someone who gets that angry over something so small. Could end in road rage.

uncommon_name · 27-11-2018 01:33PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

In the words of the OP. You are a "Knobhead".

uncommon_name · 27-11-2018 01:39PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

What happens when the car park is full everyday and the people who run it realize they aren't making enough money so they put up the price of parking per hour. Then it does affect the person who is paying for it.
Its's not the right thing to do, I think most of us here agree with the OP and he did not over react. The driver behind him was an arrogant self entitled a**hole, I think dealing with someone like that would make most of us react in the same way.

Well done OP. I hope more people do this now, maybe he will be forced to start paying for the service he is receiving.

CyberGhost · 27-11-2018 01:39PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

R.O.R wrote: »

And that's what's wrong with the world today.

The OP was losing the plot and f-ing and blinding because someone tried to get one up on the system. It had no effect on him whatsoever. Total over reaction. I'd worry about someone who gets that angry over something so small. Could end in road rage.

This is not the first time this has happened. This has been happening systematically.

If that person was your neighbor and was using your electricity while you paid the bill, would that be OK with you?

CyberGhost · 27-11-2018 01:41PM

uncommon_name wrote: »

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

What difference does it make to you OP. Very angry and bitter person. No need for the foul language either.

I would have just laughed at you and tailgate out behind the next person who was probably Irish and wouldn't care.

What happens when the car park is full everyday and the people who run it realize they aren't making enough money so they put up the price of parking per hour. Then it does affect the person who is paying for it.
Its's not the right thing to do, I think most of us here agree with the OP and he did not over react. The driver behind him was an arrogant self entitled a**hole, I think dealing with someone like that would make most of us react in the same way.

Well done OP. I hope more people do this now, maybe he will be forced to start paying for the service he is receiving.

It's his incredible self entitlement that upset me. Wants me to pay for him and has the nerve to argue about it too. If he had just backed off the first time, I'd have let it go and that's it. But I told him no, and he is still trying to tail gate me.

ShadowHearth · 27-11-2018 01:41PM

Dear Diary, OP was pretty cool guy today. I like him.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 27-11-2018 01:43PM

CyberGhost wrote: »

This is not the first time this has happened. This has been happening systematically.

If that person was your neighbor and was using your electricity while you paid the bill, would that be OK with you?

Not the same.

If the person was using your electricity the bill would be higher because more kWh would be used.

In this case you pay €4 if they tailgate you or not.

Anyway, its your reaction that I think was OTT. Imagine he had a young child in the car. They would be traumatised by someone shouting foul abuse like that over 4euro.

CyberGhost · 27-11-2018 01:45PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

CyberGhost wrote: »

This is not the first time this has happened. This has been happening systematically.

If that person was your neighbor and was using your electricity while you paid the bill, would that be OK with you?

Not the same.

If the person was using your electricity the bill would be higher because more kWh would be used.

In this case you pay €4 if they tailgate you or not.

Anyway, its your reaction that I think was OTT. Imagine he had a young child in the car. They would be traumatised by someone shouting foul abuse like that over 4euro.

His child is HIS responsibility not mine. If I went up to someone and bothered them with my child with me, and they told me off, it would be my fault.

Sorry, but your logic makes no sense at all. I do not owe him a free parking at all.

As for electricity, let's say you don't any extra charge, but he has to pay nothing, you pay for both. Is that ok?

bri007 · 27-11-2018 01:47PM

Someone did that to me at the barrier on the m3 toll nearly crashed into me.

Car had pulled into the side waiting on opportunity to do and sped up when I approached it and nearly hit us.

Well done OP, why should they get away with it when others have to pay.

AndyTheDude · 27-11-2018 01:49PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Anyway, its your reaction that I think was OTT. Imagine he had a young child in the car. They would be traumatised by someone shouting foul abuse like that over 4euro.

Wouldn't the kid be more traumatised by witnessing their dad trying to steal 4 euro?

Kenny Logins · 27-11-2018 01:51PM

Brilliant! I'be tempted to troll that place with a rear-view cam just to catch these dip****s.

SteM · 27-11-2018 01:52PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Not the same.

If the person was using your electricity the bill would be higher because more kWh would be used.

In this case you pay €4 if they tailgate you or not.

Anyway, its your reaction that I think was OTT. Imagine he had a young child in the car. They would be traumatised by someone shouting foul abuse like that over 4euro.

A traumatised child :pac:
Being raised by a thief would worry me more.

So I got into an argument at a car park with a cheapskate

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