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'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised
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You keep using the term "republican" in really strange way. Most people in this country are republican, it is, after all, a republic. Odd that you think its a term of abuse. Well, actually it's not odd at all, consistent with a post colonial unionist viewpoint I suppose.
Because i would probably get banned for calling him an extremist? In fact zealot or acolyte would probably be more apt a description.0 -
Kinley Microscopic Stirrup wrote: »Anyone going in to 'the Green for the stand down ceremony and last post this afternoon?.
Heading in myself.
The army's number 1 band will play and there'll be an honor guard, and the Last Post will close things. It should be pretty special.
This will be my second time to visit the statue, its really breath taking how the artists brought scrap metal to life.
I'd love to go Kinley Microscopic Stirrup but I'm smothering with a cold and would be driving up from co Kilkenny so I've chickened out. I didnt even get to see the statue unfortunately as I was leaving it til today to go. Its going to be a lovely occasion. Enjoy
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Nobody has a problem with respectful remembrance, but the recent upsurge in belligerent selling of myths around these wars and the glorification of them is the problem.HalloweenJack wrote: »I am a pacifist and loathe war in all its manifestations.
However, Irish people died fighting in WWI and WWII, for whatever reason it was, they did. I don't have a problem with some kind of recognition of that. There is a memorial to the dead from both world wars in Bray and I've never heard people complain about it.
t doesn't have to necesitate a debate about the whys, can't we just recognise that Irish citizens died fighting in a war? After all, we are, in theory, a neutral country. No Irish citizen should have to die in any way, regardless who they're fighting for.
There are many memorials to the men and women who died in these wars, built by our previous governments and I have no problem wahtsoever with them.Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »Respectfully? Yes...i have no issue with respectful remembrance.
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Way to not answer the questions i posed and just go off on another rant.
Are you claiming there is no poppy frenzy here on boards Timberrrrrr?
These poppy fascists have demeaned any concept of dignified rememberance already in Britain with over the top sentimentalising of those involved and the insistent linking of it to current armed forces.
Ridiculous that you are in denial of that and it's spill over to here.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »Nobody has a problem with respectful remembrance, but the recent upsurge in belligerent selling of myths around these wars and the glorification of them is the problem.
There are many memorials to the men and women who died in these wars, built by our previous governments and I have no problem wahtsoever with them.
Are you claiming there is no poppy frenzy here on boards Timberrrrrr?
What's this "poppy frenzy"? And you said "over here" have you changed that now to an online discussion forum?These poppy fascists have demeaned any concept of dignified rememberance already in Britain with over the top sentimentalising of those involved and the insistent linking of it to current armed forces.
Simple question for you frankie, how does the poppy negatively affect you in your day to day life?
How does my friend Geoff (a 70 year old ex soldier who sells poppies here in cheshire) selling poppies outside Morrison's supermarket cause you so much misery?Ridiculous that you are in denial of that and it's spill over to here.
What "spill over"? Where is it? What's happening? I no longer live there frankie, are people being accosted on Grafton street by poppy sellers? Are you being spat at for not wearing a poppy? How is it negatively affecting your day to day life?0 -
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It is kind of odd though that every memorial about World War 1 that these people champion always happens to also fetishize the British Army.
This is meme worthy.
Something like.. guy in communist uniform with 'death to capitalism' tattooed on his forehead muttering under his Josef Stalin mustache 'I believe there is an extremist in this room'
There must be a term for it.
But your lie is quite audacious, perhaps a little too much. Are you doing it simply in the hope of annoying people? fetishize fetishize fetishize fetishize fetishize fetishizeAnd then on Boards the posters who are most defensive about these British Army memorials have a history of enthusiasm for all things Imperial
It's on the tip of my tongue. It's important because it's cropping up a lot. Call your opponents imperialists, because calling your opponents names is better than losing an argument.or at least an aversion to all thing Republican (or "Shinner", which in an apt term given their forebears were also throwing it around a century ago
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This is the same sentence! The exact same sentence! You complain about posters being described as 'Shinners' just because they say that everything British is bad, and that Irish soldiers in the British army were literally traitors that deserved to die. And a number of the posters literally are supporters of Sinn Fein. You say 'The imperialists shouldn't call people names'. WHAT!?
I don't really like the term Shinner, because it's a bit too sloppy a term for my tastes. Also some posters like Fuaranach probably aren't the most ardent supporters of Sinn Fein due to their recognizing the legitimacy of the Dail (from the 1990s onwards).
But ultra-nationalist or Republican is pretty apt. The types of people, around in Ireland today that dream of endless conflict with the auld enemy, who define themselves through opposition. It's the lack of candor which makes its progression from hard-right to populist. Lack of candor like.. playing the 'let us remember and cherish our dead [thugs]' card, which unfortunately is really quite weak.
Why is it weak? Because everybody who has expressed any sympathy with the solders (or 'thugs') of the western front are called imperialists by people who are clearly being disingenuous.it's almost as if there's some agenda at play other than solely a concern for remembering the poor chaps who got slaughtered.
Some agenda at play? Is this the overthrow of the Irish government by the imperialists? You got to watch out for those imperialists, there's a lot of them apparently. All these supporters of Goldstein.Makes you wonder if there was a memorial that divorced the dead from the empire they died for would these lads display the same enthusiasm for it
And how exactly would it do that? Because the only connections with the British empire are the hat that the soldier's wearing, and the helmet he has on his back. That's not realllly the complaint though is it Bambi? Take off his hat and the helmet and your grievances disappear?
You see, that's the problem, it's a line of thought that's too easily picked apart.0 -
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RandomName2 wrote: »And how exactly would it do that? Because the only connections with the British empire are the hat that the soldier's wearing, and the helmet he has on his back. That's not realllly the complaint though is it Bambi? Take off his hat and the helmet and your grievances disappear?
You see, that's the problem, it's a line of thought that's too easily picked apart.
So the only connection it has to the British Empire is that it's a British Army solider? Yeah, that's tenous alright.
Nah Y'see that is your problem, you take off the cap with the regimental badge, the helmet, the rifle, the gaiters, the webbing, y'know the whole british army uniform and you just have tribute that that no-one will object to and everyones happy (Except the poppy types in here I suppose). Much like the Irish Seamans Memorial on the quays or the Garden of Remembrance in Parnell Square.
Of course, if you stripped a memorial of all the trappings of the British army then you're left with a commemoration that would never have been put up in the first place. The person who spearheaded bringing this yoke over was was interested in it because its a British soldier, despite the PR guff that it was supposed to be some everyman for the war dead of all nations involved0 -
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So the only connection it has to the British Empire is that it's a British Army solider? Yeah, that's tenous alright.
Nah Y'see that is your problem, you take off the cap with the regimental badge, the helmet, the rifle, the gaiters, the webbing, y'know the whole british army uniform and you just have tribute that that no-one will object to and everyones happy (Except the poppy types in here I suppose). Much like the Irish Seamans Memorial on the quays or the Garden of Remembrance in Parnell Square.
Of course, if you stripped a memorial of all the trappings of the British army then you're left with a commemoration that would never have been put up in the first place. The person who spearheaded bringing this yoke over was was interested in it because its a British soldier, despite the PR guff that it was supposed to be some everyman for the war dead of all nations involved
I feel for the people who have deluded themselves that it isn't a British soldier, I really do.0 -
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So the only connection it has to the British Empire is that it's a British Army solider? Yeah, that's tenous alright.
So you'd be happy with an Ottoman soldier?Nah Y'see that is your problem, you take off the cap with the regimental badge, the helmet, the rifle, the gaiters, the webbing, y'know the whole british army uniform and you just have tribute that that no-one will object to and everyones happy
A naked soldier?(Except the poppy types in here I suppose).
Junkies?Much like the Irish Seamans Memorial on the quays
You mean that celebration of starvation, featuring British subjects, that revels in death. Yes, all the imperialists like that one.or the Garden of Remembrance in Parnell Square.
I'm glad you specified the one which, I believe, does not remember either of the world wars. You know, those two wars.
As opposed to the Irish National War memorial which was bombed twice by Republicans and turned into a rubbish dump.0 -
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Lefty Bicek wrote: »
Ambivalent?
Written at the base
For those who can't read German it says:
In memory and honor of the 2000 sons of the city of Hamburg who fell for The Fatherland.
In spite of wounds
Ready for the deed today as then
And at all times
Germany
For you.
Loyalty
Is first and last
In heaven and on earth
Whosoever invests his whole soul in it will gain the crown.'
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