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  • #482
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    The whole thing was and is a total f**king scam. Read up the History of the time instead of worshiping some poppies or metal obelisk soldiers. Back then you had a bunch of Imperial houses, all of whom were inter-related throughout the entire European continent. All of them cousins, all of them on top and not wanting to lose that perch. They seen what was happening, a huge, vast rising amount of young men growing up on their patches, too many for their liking, too many to provide them work. No work for them, no social welfare for them, these guys could get a bit angry with that sort of set-up, might start calling for a bit of 'revolution'. You also had a bunch of jealous aristocracy houses on their turf that fancied a bit of that 'top' action themselves.
    At that time, all the imperial houses throughout Europe were terrified of revolution cropping up again after the one that happened in France just over 100 years before, so what better way to get rid of all these young lads, common and aristocracy alike, than engineer a "Great" war and send them all to the crusade of total slaughter. That's what these commemorations are. Its a total f**king scam. You have the Queen of England laying wreaths for slaughtered young lads at some f**king pagan obelisk in London when it was her family, her blood that sent them to it, and knew they were sending them to it.
    This "Great war" is also the f**king thing that gave rise to the second one, so what in the f**k are some of you trying to commemorate?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #483
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    The revisionists trying to rewrite history again I see. These people that went fighting in WW1 were sold out by "passivist" John Redmond who liked to have his belly rubbed over in Westminister and was a proud upholder of Ireland's place in the United Kingdom. The people that joined the ranks of British Army were traitors. Some saw the light on the road to redemption and joined the Republican cause. Others continued in their allegiance to the King and squashed the rebellion.

    In my opinion these people ceased being Irish.

    The oath of allegiance that they swore back then tells you why...

    "I ......... promise to be faithful and bear true Allegiance to His Majesty King George the Fifth, His Heirs, and Successors, and that I will, as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend His Majesty, His Heirs, and Successors, in Person, Crown and Dignity, against all enemies, and will ."

    Nonsense.

    Case in point. My great grandfather was in the Connaught Rangers. Took him out of a life of poverty in Castlebar. I was lucky enough to see his enlistment papers. Every single reference to the phrase "the King" had a line crossed through it.

    How bloody dare you call somebody who enlisted, got an education out of it and dragged themselves out of poverty a traitor. If you had your way we would probably still all be in poverty.


  • #484
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    P_1 wrote: »
    Nonsense.

    Case in point. My great grandfather was in the Connaught Rangers. Took him out of a life of poverty in Castlebar. I was lucky enough to see his enlistment papers. Every single reference to the phrase "the King" had a line crossed through it.

    How bloody dare you call somebody who enlisted, got an education out of it and dragged themselves out of poverty a traitor. If you had your way we would probably still all be in poverty.

    Any plans for 2020 ?


  • #485
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Chapeau.

    Good spot.


  • #486
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Any plans for 2020 ?

    The centenary of the mutiny? Complex one that tbf. On the one hand what they did in solidarity with those being brutalised at home is admirable. On the other, quite a few of them were racist gowls towards the locals in India.

    History's not black and tan


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  • #487
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Go on , deliver us a few more of your entertaining quotes and comments.

    Did you hear the one about not casting pearls before swine ?

    ;)


  • #488
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    P_1 wrote: »
    Nonsense.

    Case in point. My great grandfather was in the Connaught Rangers. Took him out of a life of poverty in Castlebar. I was lucky enough to see his enlistment papers. Every single reference to the phrase "the King" had a line crossed through it.

    How bloody dare you call somebody who enlisted, got an education out of it and dragged themselves out of poverty a traitor. If you had your way we would probably still all be in poverty.

    :):) So crossing out the name made the contract null and void? :) Did de Germans know?


  • #489
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    P_1 wrote: »
    The centenary of the mutiny? Complex one that tbf. On the one hand what they did in solidarity with those being brutalised at home is admirable. On the other, quite a few of them were racist gowls towards the locals in India.

    History's not black and tan

    Indeed not. People are very uncomfortable when I quote Tom Clarke's dizzying (by today's standards) racism.

    Everything about our relationship with Britain is complex, which makes it all the more irritating to be portrayed as Anti-All-Things-British.

    A huge proportion of those I care most deeply about in the world are British, English specifically.


  • #490
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    buried wrote: »
    The whole thing was and is a total f**king scam. Read up the History of the time instead of worshiping some poppies or metal obelisk soldiers. Back then you had a bunch of Imperial houses, all of whom were inter-related throughout the entire European continent. All of them cousins, all of them on top and not wanting to lose that perch. They seen what was happening, a huge, vast rising amount of young men growing up on their patches, too many for their liking, too many to provide them work. No work for them, no social welfare for them, these guys could get a bit angry with that sort of set-up, might start calling for a bit of 'revolution'. You also had a bunch of jealous aristocracy houses on their turf that fancied a bit of that 'top' action themselves.
    At that time, all the imperial houses throughout Europe were terrified of revolution cropping up again after the one that happened in France just over 100 years before, so what better way to get rid of all these young lads, common and aristocracy alike, than engineer a "Great" war and send them all to the crusade of total slaughter. That's what these commemorations are. Its a total f**king scam. You have the Queen of England laying wreaths for slaughtered young lads at some f**king pagan obelisk in London when it was her family, her blood that sent them to it, and knew they were sending them to it.
    This "Great war" is also the f**king thing that gave rise to the second one, so what in the f**k are some of you trying to commemorate?

    Remind me, which royal family was in charge of France at the time?


  • #491
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Indeed not. People are very uncomfortable when I quote Tom Clarke's dizzying (by today's standards) racism.

    Everything about our relatonship with Britain is complex, which makes it all the more irritating to be portrayed as Anti-All-Things-British.

    A huge proportion of those I care most deeply about in the world are British, English specifically.

    Likewise tbf


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  • #492
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Aegir wrote: »
    Remind me, which royal family was in charge of France at the time?

    France was in a $hitstate, they had their arse burnt out of near 200 years of war, both internally and externally with Napoleon's imperial slaughter adventures and were caught in the middle.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #493
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Indeed not. People are very uncomfortable when I quote Tom Clarke's dizzying (by today's standards) racism.

    Everything about our relatonship with Britain is complex, which makes it all the more irritating to be portrayed as Anti-All-Things-British.

    A huge proportion of those I care most deeply about in the world are British, English specifically.

    Tom Clarke?


  • #494
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    buried wrote: »
    France was in a $hitstate, they had their arse burnt out of near 200 years of war, both internally and externally with Napoleon's imperial slaughter adventures and were caught in the middle.

    Plus, dragged into the war by treaty obligations to Russia.

    You'll be busy teaching history to some of this lot.

    Had to explain to one of them last night that the Nazis were the Second World War.

    Hilarious stuff.


  • #495
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Tom Clarke?

    Yep.


  • #496
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Yep.
    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Two quotes attributed to the man...

    Quote:In June, in my seventeenth year, I had decided to see what this Great War was like. I cannot plead I went on the advice of John Redmond or any other politician, that if we fought for the British we would secure Home Rule for Ireland, nor can I say I understood what Home Rule meant. I was not influenced by the lurid appeal to fight to save Belgium or small nations. I knew nothing about nations, large or small. I went to the war for no other reason than that I wanted to see what war was like, to get a gun, to see new countries and to feel a grown man. Above all I went because I knew no Irish history and had no national consciousness.

    Quote:They said I was ruthless, daring, savage, blood thirsty, even heartless. The clergy called me and my comrades murderers; but the British were met with their own weapons. They had gone in the mire to destroy us and our nation and down after them we had to go.


    Some on here know better, of course.

    I've a bit of news...


  • #497
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]








    And these days a poppy is controversial!!


  • #498
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    I've a bit of news...

    Shhhh , pearls before swine and all that.


  • #499
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Shhhh , pearls before swine and all that.

    Some here know better...


  • #500
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Some here know better...

    Don't forget your chapeu.


  • #501
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »






    And these days a poppy is controversial!!

    Gives the lie to the propaganda that we forgot these people. We didn't they were respectfully remembered. The DeValera goverment paid for Lutyens memorial too.

    The problem now is that it has been hijacked by those who want to demean Ireland and our own struggle for freedom.

    Witness the mask slipping here, you are a rabid hating shinnerbot if you are in anyway critical. Hilarious to see the yearly indignation to be honest.


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  • #502
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And these days a poppy is controversial!!

    Thanks for the videos. One can see that this is a display of Unionist might with their Union flags flowing, poppy wreaths laid and that is in the post-independence days. So that means that those people and their descendants have their allegiances to a foreign state, they are subversives.


  • #503
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    I get the feeling that even Liam Adams would get a warm response from some on here. You stay classy kids.....


  • #504
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    I've a bit of news...

    So have I.


    Those two quotes I've given already are from Tom Barry, in response to this post, which specifically mentions his name...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108713358&postcount=477


    The reference I made to Tom Clarke is part of a different discussion with a different poster about a different person, in which a passing reference to racism towards natives in India, amongst members of the Connaught Rangers, was made.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108713462&postcount=489


    The Tom Clarke quote I had in mind is as follows...
    "There are any amount of **** living hereabouts and we Irish as a rule don't care for coming too much into contact with those absurd folk."

    At least according the the Irish Times Weekend supplement 16 March 2013.

    From a Diarmaid Ferriter review of 'Life, Liberty, Revolution', by Gerard MacAtasney.


    I believe it is from a letter he wrote while living in America.


    Learn some Irish history, it will help you with that obtuse attitude.


    .


  • #505
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Don't forget your chapeAu.

    He won't. He needs it to talk out of. QED.


  • #506
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    So have I.


    Those two quotes I've given already are from Tom Barry, in response to this post, which specifically mentions his name...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108713358&postcount=477


    The reference I made to Tom Clarke is part of a different discussion with a different poster about a different person, in which a passing reference to racism towards natives in India, amongst members of the Connaught Rangers, was made.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108713462&postcount=489


    The Tom Clarke quote I had in mind is as follows...



    At least according the the Irish Times Weekend supplement 16 March 2013.

    From a Diarmaid Ferriter review of 'Life, Liberty, Revolution', by Gerard MacAtasney.


    I believe it is from a letter he wrote while living in America.


    Learn some Irish history, it will help you with that obtuse attitude.


    .

    You're all over the shop!
    You clarified you were refering to Tom Barry when referencing those two quotes.


  • #507
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    You're all over the shop!
    You clarified you were refering to Tom Barry when referencing those two quotes.

    Indeed.

    And now I'm clarifying a different conversation, with a different poster, about a different issue, and a different individual.

    What exactly was your problem here... https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108713534&postcount=493 ?

    Or were you just asking me to explain to you who Tom Clarke was ? At this point, it wouldn't surprise me.

    I'm sorry I gave you the benefit of the doubt, actually.


    .


  • #508
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Gives the lie to the propaganda that we forgot these people. We didn't they were respectfully remembered. The DeValera goverment paid for Lutyens memorial too.

    The problem now is that it has been hijacked by those who want to demean Ireland and our own struggle for freedom.

    Witness the mask slipping here, you are a rabid hating shinnerbot if you are in anyway critical. Hilarious to see the yearly indignation to be honest.

    Copy and paste...one cliche after another.
    It's like a parody account,

    Have you googled Bobby Sands and Terence McSwiney yet? The Derry civil rights movement.


  • #509
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Indeed.

    And now I'm clarifying a different conversation, with a different poster, about a different issue, and a different individual.

    What exactly was your problem here... https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108713534&postcount=493 ?

    Or were you just asking me to tell you who Tom Clarke was. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me.

    .

    If you've a train of thought, its very difficult to follow.

    Of course I've heard of Tom Clarke. He was in a rock band The Enemy...


  • #510
    StereoSound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    Pretty sure that's an Irish soldier statue, not a Brit. Someone put red paint on it, that's very sad but we have more compelling issues with those teen gangs of "reportedly" African heritage causing havoc in Balbriggan, threatening heavily pregnant women with broken glass bottles. That's an anti social issue requiring attention, not what some drunk teen probably did with his paintbrush.


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  • #511
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,040 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    timthumbni wrote: »
    I get the feeling that even Liam Adams would get a warm response from some on here. You stay classy kids.....

    There was a thread about him before, we had one of the prolific SF/IRA apologists argue for weeks about the use of the word pedophile in relation to Liam Adams, something along the lines of he shouldn't be called a pedophile because he only abused one child many times and not multiple children ergo he isnt a pedophile:confused:


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