'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

corner of hells · 24-11-2018 05:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, and the rather creepy war mongers think there is gallantry and honour in that. You know the spiel...'the great sacrifice' etc etc.

How is remembering dead soldiers war mongering ?
Where can you see gallantry and honour in death ?
It brought nothing but misery .

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 06:00PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yep...if you object to unseemly war mongering and triumphalism, you must be a Brit hating shinner. :rolleyes:

Well done you!

When it looks like a duck and talks like a duck..

when is not war mongering not eh, war mongering triumphalism?
Is there a threshold where thought provoking remembrance becomes a celebrstion of British imperialism, and Union sycophancy? At what point does the anger kick in? Is a hole in the ground a celebration of trench warfare, of British war mongering and slaughter of the working classes...

How do you wrap your head around people who condemn people that would perpetrate such utter vandalism, but also neither condone nor condemn poppy wearing...who see it as something the Brits do, and are more or less apathethic, people not consumed with vitriol towards anything British, or Unionist for that matter?

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 06:00PM

corner of hells wrote: »

How is remembering dead soldiers war mongering ?
Where can you see gallantry and honour in death ?
It brought nothing but misery .

That is the issue. The 'way' the remembering is done.
It is over the top, highlights heroics and gallantry when it was mostly slaughter and butchering of people who had made fatal mistakes (the Irish element) in choosing to be there and those who had no choice to be there.

As somebody else said, we should be hanging out heads in shame that humanity allowed it to happen. But they have allowed it to happen again and again since.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 06:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because that is what I see.

People reveling in massive death and carnage.
Not a word of criticism for those who sent them to their deaths either.

Seriously Francie.
Who in the name of jasis is revelling in the slaughter of WW1?
Is that all you see? This is a celebration of death and carnage?

corner of hells · 24-11-2018 06:04PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

There IS nothing to see beyond that.

Putting that statue in that particular place was a stupid thing to do. Irresponsible to put someone's private property in jeopardy like that anyway.

If you read the thread properly you will see here and there an idiotic delusion that it is some 'universal soldier'. It is no such thing.

It is completely pandering to siege-mentality unionism to normalise the presence of an army that disgraced itself here, time after time.

Silly sentimentalism that this is remembering the fallen... head in the clouds stuff.

Why not just remember the glorious dead at home in private ?

'Look how mature we are in our very public displays of inclusiveness.' Clowns.

What's stupid is that there clowns who are prepared to vandalise something they don't agree with .

Read the whole thread , it's very clear there's a small element in our society who thrive on living in the past .

Silly sentimentalism ? Really a sculpture that upsets and depresses you. Try ignore it.

Do explain where the pandering to Unionism is ? For the life of me , I can't see that.
If anything Unionists couldn't give a flying fcuk what happens in Dublin .

If anything the seige mentality us coming from yourself holding on bitterly to the past.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 06:07PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Seriously Francie.
Who in the name of jasis is revelling in the slaughter of WW1?
Is that all you see? This is a celebration of death and carnage?

Yes, there is an inordinate focus on it imo = reveling in it. You can revel in misery Roger, you know.

corner of hells · 24-11-2018 06:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is the issue. The 'way' the remembering is done.
It is over the top, highlights heroics and gallantry when it was mostly slaughter and butchering of people who had made fatal mistakes (the Irish element) in choosing to be there and those who had no choice to be there.

As somebody else said, we should be hanging out heads in shame that humanity allowed it to happen. But they have allowed it to happen again and again since.

You're living in some parallel world . Everyone knows it was slaughter of a monumental proportion , nobody sees heroics or gallantry in that.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 06:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, there is an inordinate focus on it imo = reveling in it. You can revel in misery Roger, you know.

Not sure who would want to revel in misery, other than Mrs Doyle.

If the tosser hadnt thrown the paint on it, it would have come and gone. Few really being aware of it. Now though... here we are talking about it.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 06:20PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Not sure who would want to revel in misery, other than Mrs Doyle.

If the tosser hadnt thrown the paint on it, it would have come and gone. Few really being aware of it. Now though... here we are talking about it.

And if it had been a proper memorial to those who died and not a representation of an empire soldier then it might not have been the subject of a protest.

corner of hells · 24-11-2018 06:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And if it had been a proper memorial to those who died and not a representation of an empire soldier then it might not have been the subject of a protest.

It was vandalism Francie, not a protest.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 06:36PM

corner of hells wrote: »

It was vandalism Francie, not a protest.

Depends on your point of view. Honouring the empire soldier will always be contentious in this country that bore the brunt of their actions too.

Lefty Bicek · 24-11-2018 06:53PM

corner of hells wrote: »

What's stupid is that there clowns who are prepared to vandalise something they don't agree with .

Read the whole thread , it's very clear there's a small element in our society who thrive on living in the past .

Silly sentimentalism ? Really a sculpture that upsets and depresses you. Try ignore it.

Do explain where the pandering to Unionism is ? For the life of me , I can't see that.
If anything Unionists couldn't give a flying fcuk what happens in Dublin .

If anything the seige mentality us coming from yourself holding on bitterly to the past.

I have read the whole thread. Take your own advice. I have already spoken against the vandalism.

You're very naive if you think unionists dont care what happens in Dublin. They are well aware of the demographics and some very prominent unionist voices have begun to countenance the 'unthinkable' ie a united Ireland. Brexit is magnifying that. This is on the record.

Finally, I am not at all clinging bitterly to the past. As far as the past is concerned I remember my ancestor (died in France 1917) in my own way without any naff public displays of sentimentalism.

The problem is the present, not the past. The unhealthy sycophancy and need for approval... it hasn't gone away you know.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 07:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And if it had been a proper memorial to those who died and not a representation of an empire soldier then it might not have been the subject of a protest.

A protest...
Is that what it was?

Up there with Derry 68 to 72, alongside Terence MacSwiney, Bobby Sands, your namesake Francis Hughes and the rest of 81?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Depends on your point of view. Honouring the empire soldier will always be contentious in this country that bore the brunt of their actions too.

I'd say there's a few countries that would like to call you out on this nonsense

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 07:11PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

A protest...
Is that what it was?

Up there with Derry 68 to 72, alongside Terence MacSwiney, Bobby Sands, your namesake Francis Hughes and the rest of 81?

I'd say there's a few countries that would like to call you out on this nonsense

Can you maybe make some sense Roger? No idea what you are on about tbh.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 07:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you maybe make some sense Roger? No idea what you are on about tbh.

I have to say, I'm rather surprised to see you expose yourself so readily as a plastic republican, ignorant of our history, and proper protests.
(Against the British)

corner of hells · 24-11-2018 07:19PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I have read the whole thread. Take your own advice. I have already spoken against the vandalism.

You're very naive if you think unionists dont care what happens in Dublin. They are well aware of the demographics and some very prominent unionist voices have begun to countenance the 'unthinkable' ie a united Ireland. Brexit is magnifying that. This is on the record.

Finally, I am not at all clinging bitterly to the past. As far as the past is concerned I remember my ancestor (died in France 1917) in my own way without any naff public displays of sentimentalism.

The problem is the present, not the past. The unhealthy sycophancy and need for approval... it hasn't gone away you know.

Oh that last line , didn't someone spout similar ****e as a vague threat to the approval of his acolytes and sycophants ?

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 07:20PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I have to say, I'm rather surprised to see you expose yourself so readily as a plastic republican, ignorant of our history, and proper protests.
(Against the British)

I have already addressed what I thought of the 'protest' Roger. Do keep up and don't be tripping over your hate of republicanism. Having to invent reasons to glorify the history of British empire building and imperialism is what is 'plastic'. You are I assume and Irish person are you not?

We should be the most vociferously critical of Britain's past and present pursuit of it's own selfish interests.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 07:21PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Oh that last line , didn't someone spout similar ****e as a vague threat to the approval of his acolytes and sycophants ?

Funnily enough, they are about to "go away"
We're passed peak Shinner I reckon.
A Progressive Democrats and Renuaesque future awaits.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-11-2018 07:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have already addressed what I thought of the 'protest' Roger. Do keep up and don't be tripping over your hate of republicanism. Having to invent reasons to glorify the history of British empire building and imperialism is what is 'plastic'. You are I assume and Irish person are you not?

We should be the most vociferously critical of Britain's past and present pursuit of it's own selfish interests.

Didnt even read the above. No doubt a frantic attempt to recover surrendered ground.

There comes a moment in every discourse when soneone drops a clanger and exposes themselves as completely and utterly out of their depth.

That moment has come for Francie. The curtain is about to fall. A re-reg is their only hope...

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 07:27PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Didnt even read the above. No doubt a frantic attempt to recover surrendered ground.

There comes a moment in every discourse when soneone drops a clanger and exposes themselves as completely and utterly out of their depth.

That moment has come for Francie. The curtain is about to fall. A re-reg is their only hope...

Ah yes, the familiar, 'ignore what has already been said', to keep pushing a familiar narrative. Hilarious ploy there roger.

AudreyHepburn · 24-11-2018 07:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely.

I have no time for any army doing it. Including Irish armies.

Nothing wrong with respectful remembrance.
This obscene reveling in ignominious death and death because of criminal behaviour is wrong on all levels.

There’s no reveling of any sort here Francie, just commemoration - how many times do you and the other fanatical republicans on here have to told that the statue depicts a soldier returning from war, jaded and probably traumatized. It’s that simple.

There is no particular nationality represented. It’s meant to represent any and all soldiers who fought in the war.

Why is it so hard to let the anger and hatred go?

AudreyHepburn · 24-11-2018 07:42PM

Bambi wrote: »

By idolizing an imperial war machine from the 20th century? You're not really one to lecture anyone dragging us back eh?

I ask again- who here is idolizing anything? Do you understand the difference between celebration and commemoration?

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 07:44PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There’s no reveling of any sort here Francie, just commemoration - how many times do you and the other fanatical republicans on here have to told that the statue depicts a soldier returning from war, jaded and probably traumatized. It’s that simple.

There is no particular nationality represented. It’s meant to represent any and all soldiers who fought in the war.

Why is it so hard to let the anger and hatred go?

I hate this reveling in what was utter misery and slaughter, is my reason. There is no doubting that the statue represents an empire building soldier imo.

We both see different things here.

AudreyHepburn · 24-11-2018 07:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I hate this reveling in what was utter misery and slaughter, is my reason. There is no doubting that the statue represents an empire building soldier imo.

We both see different things here.

That’s not what it represents and if you could let go of your hatred and consign it to the past where it belongs you would see that.

I ask again where on this thread is anyone reveling in misery and slaughter?

WinnyThePoo · 24-11-2018 07:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There’s no reveling of any sort here Francie, just commemoration - how many times do you and the other fanatical republicans on here have to told that the statue depicts a soldier returning from war, jaded and probably traumatized. It’s that simple.

There is no particular nationality represented. It’s meant to represent any and all soldiers who fought in the war.

Why is it so hard to let the anger and hatred go?

I hate this reveling in what was utter misery and slaughter, is my reason. There is no doubting that the statue represents an empire building soldier imo.

We both see different things here.

Your rabid nationalism is not wanted down here Francie. We don't care for you and your backward views . Yourself and hardcore unionist are pretty much the same. Close minded and unwilling to ever change for the betterment.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 07:51PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That’s not what it represents and if you could let go of your hatred and consign it to the past where it belongs you would see that.

I ask again where on this thread is anyone reveling in misery and slaughter?

So hating the reveling in a war that was a bloody slaughter should be in the past?
What do you suggest I replace it with?

AudreyHepburn · 24-11-2018 07:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So hating the reveling in a war that was a bloody slaughter should be in the past?
What do you suggest I replace it with?

That’s not what I said and you know it.

It’s your bitterness, anger and hatred that belongs in the past.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2018 07:56PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That’s not what I said and you know it.

It’s your bitterness, anger and hatred that belongs in the past.

What do I replace the hatred of those who revel in the misery and slaughter of war with Audrey?

AudreyHepburn · 24-11-2018 07:59PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What do I replace the hatred of those who revel in the misery and slaughter of war with Audrey?

That’s up to you but my point was there’s no such thing on show here.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-11-2018 08:02PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because that is what I see.

People reveling in massive death and carnage.
Not a word of criticism for those who sent them to their deaths either.

When was the last time you criticized the SF/IRA command for sending your brave "soldiers" to their deaths?

'The Haunting Soldier' sculpture vandalised

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