GAZZA

seamus · 21-11-2018 10:55AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

I know he has had his issues with alcohol in the past, but jaysus sexual assault! never expected that from him!

A Jack-the-lad former footballer who's fond of his booze and his women?

I'm just surprised it's taken this long tbh.

Same with George Best. He was deified by the media for years as a tortured genius, but it turns out that he was just a wife-beating creep too. Shocking.

weldoninhio · 21-11-2018 11:14AM

Snotty wrote: »

Difference is, collymore and Rooney are both dull ****s, Gaza has a bit of personality and gets a free pass

Being an idiot, junkie, alkie, wifebeating scumbag is not "personality"

Church on Tuesday · 21-11-2018 01:13PM

AllForIt wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/paul-gascoigne-4347038-Nov2018/

What gets me about Gazza is the UK's love for this low-life. It always seem to be that if one is a famous footballer one can get away with anything.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-1267516/Sheryl-Gascoigne-talks-abusive-relationship-Gazza-A-charming-man-makes-dangerous-lover.html

He has historically been reported to be involved in a abusive relationship and yet still to this day the UK media talk about him affectionately regardless of all the horrendous stuff he's involved in.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/15/wayne-rooney-england-cheers-hymn-new-age

What gets me is the way the British tabloids have been after Wayne Rooney his whole career who this week retired as one one England highest ever scorers. Whatever controversies he was involved in they were minor in comparison to the low-life Gazza yet there seems to be that bitta hate for Ronney and an indistinguishable love for Gazza no matter what he does.

I just can't understand how this seems to go unnoticed. Btw no interested in football whatsoever.

Mods: This is not a football thread, I know they are not allowed. This thread is about the unwarranted respect that is given to footballers...because they are footballers.

This explains a lot.

He's a chronic alcoholic with severe mental health issues from when he was a child, must likely he was drunk when he assaulted his partner (still no excuse) and is held in high regard by the British because he could actually play a bit and wore his heart on his sleeve AKA Gazza's tears at the Italia 90 semi final defeat to Germany which made the Brits take him to their hearts.

He could literally change a game by himself.

biko · 21-11-2018 01:18PM

AH, when neither Soccer nor Celebs forum will do for some reason

completedit · 21-11-2018 01:38PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Being an idiot, junkie, alkie, wifebeating scumbag is not "personality"

Also I reckon someone like collymore has way more charisma than ****ing gazza. Gazza is just your typical english lout who goes to sunny beach in bulgaria every year, he just happened to be good at football. He's funny but in a laugh at him sort of way.

Lefty Bicek · 21-11-2018 03:48PM

valoren wrote: »

Same with Roy Keane. The story a few month's back calling Harry Arter a 'prick' and a 'wanker' was par for the course with Keane. A leopard never changes it's spots, he's always been a surly prick, a nasty piece of work but is regarded as a hero in spite of it all. There is a cognitive dissonance at play. He might be a dick but he was a helluva footballer.

Gascoigne is clearly not well mentally. I'd liken people's continual fondness for him to that of Alex Higgins and George Best.

I used to play football underage with a local guy who was your stereotypical mid-90's teenage scumbag. Into everything. Drugs, street violence, a general bully. He was a lunatic on the pitch as well but he did the job and nobody minded. After our playing days were over, one night towards the end of the 90's, he got his ass handed to him during a street fight in the city centre. I say his ass handed to him but more accurately it was that his face was slashed with a knife. He has borne the scar ever since.

Despite this guy being a pretty nasty individual my mother had a deep fondness for him. I was perplexed. Was she taking in the anecdotes about him? She was fond of him for one reason. She'd been carrying her shopping towards the bus stop but the bus was about to pull off. Seeing this he ran to the bus and 'held it' for her until she got on. To her mind, beyond his toxic exterior he still was a gentleman. I guess it's such cognitive dissonance that explains how the likes of Gazza et al despite the deeply flawed exterior get people focusing on some one thing which somewhat redeems them be it Gazza crying at Italia 90 knowing he would miss the final, Higgins crying in the Crucible with his baby and the trophy, Keane beating Juventus all by himself and Best dribbling past a litany of hard men defenders and walking the ball into the net.

No matter what Gazza did, no matter how criminal it may be, there will still be an element who disregard it to the bemusement of those with a more rational mindset.

Fascinating.

Porklife · 21-11-2018 04:13PM

Imagine he was just a local bar fly in your area, beating the **** out of his wife, sexual assault and god knows what else has gone on behind closed doors but he was a really good singer down the local session on a Thursday night. He'd be a hate figure and rightly so. Just because Gazza was a talented footballer, he is a piece of **** scumbag and I've zero respect or sympathy for him.
I've known plenty of alcoholics who wouldn't harm a fly. A violent drunk is a violent person, the alcohol just triggers what's already there. They'd be violent scum anyway. Ugh. Hate Gazza.

Doctors room ghost · 21-11-2018 04:21PM

zapitastas wrote: »

What was with his story about someone from the IRA threatening to kill him and putting their contact details along with the threat. The man lacks something

He pretended to play the flute in support of the orange order after scoring for rangers.he was threatened by a prominent member of the ira at the time.its in the documentary about him.
He had serious talent as a footballer but he’s been plagued with mental health issues and addiction issues throughout his life.anyone who hasn’t seen the documentary should watch it. The bit about his phone was interesting. I won’t say it here as a spoiler. I felt sorry for him after watching it.hes had it tough

Cienciano · 21-11-2018 04:41PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Your kidding me. A Netflix doc on Gazza as if this low-life were of such a stature that warranted a documentary.

You better not look at the historic documentaries section.

zapitastas · 21-11-2018 04:42PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

He pretended to play the flute in support of the orange order after scoring for rangers.he was threatened by a prominent member of the ira at the time.its in the documentary about him.
He had serious talent as a footballer but he’s been plagued with mental health issues and addiction issues throughout his life.anyone who hasn’t seen the documentary should watch it. The bit about his phone was interesting. I won’t say it here as a spoiler. I felt sorry for him after watching it.hes had it tough

No that is the bit I was questioning. Why would a prominent member of the IRA threaten his life and do so with leaving his name and contact address. Doesn't add up and seems like a pack of lies. If he did get a letter it was probably some random nutter so the documentary left in gazza's claims about it being a prominent IRA person. Wouldn't be prominent for more than a few hours if they were carrying on like that. Found it a bizarre part of the documentary. I doubt if the incident of him pretending to play a flute was discussed at an army council meeting and the go ahead given to execute him. Seems like he is living in a fantasy land

Doctors room ghost · 21-11-2018 04:45PM

zapitastas wrote: »

No that is the bit I was questioning. Why would a prominent member of the IRA threaten his life and do so with leaving his name and contact address. Doesn't add up and seems like a pack of lies. If he did get a letter it was probably some random nutter so the documentary left in gazza's claims about it being a prominent IRA person. Wouldn't be prominent for more than a few hours if they were carrying on like that. Found it a bizarre part of the documentary. I doubt if the incident of him pretending to play a flute was discussed at an army council meeting and the go ahead given to execute him. Seems like he is living in a fantasy land

They said Scotland Yard examined the letter and stated it was real.they also had the same ira member under surveillance at the time if its to be believed.it is plausible though

tipptom · 21-11-2018 04:50PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

He pretended to play the flute in support of the orange order after scoring for rangers.he was threatened by a prominent member of the ira at the time.its in the documentary about him.
He had serious talent as a footballer but he’s been plagued with mental health issues and addiction issues throughout his life.anyone who hasn’t seen the documentary should watch it. The bit about his phone was interesting. I won’t say it here as a spoiler. I felt sorry for him after watching it.hes had it toughhe

He seemed to be deeply affected by a very close friend of his being killed by a car when they were young.
Not the full shilling and never was to my mind and still got the mental age of around that time of traumatic tragedy in his life.

The last thing he needed in his life was alcohol or drugs.

He says the sexual assault accusation is rubbish,that he went to the aid of a woman that was being verbally abused about being fat on the train.
He said he went to her aid and sat with her because he had being called fat all his life and that she overreacted when he gave her a peck on the cheek.
That's Gazzas story.

Doctors room ghost · 21-11-2018 04:54PM

Anyone who hasn’t seen the documentary on him should definitely watch it.

21-11-2018 10:51PM

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

This explains a lot.

He's a chronic alcoholic with severe mental health issues from when he was a child, must likely he was drunk when he assaulted his partner (still no excuse) and is held in high regard by the British because he could actually play a bit and wore his heart on his sleeve AKA Gazza's tears at the Italia 90 semi final defeat to Germany which made the Brits take him to their hearts.

He could literally change a game by himself.

yeah I read his book and as far as I remember he took a friend to a shop when he was a kid and the friend got ran over, and died he seemed to have a fecked up childhood

edit - yeah it was a childhood mate getting knocked over by a ice cream van

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2292333/The-life-and-times-of-Paul-Gascoigne.html

Scott Tenorman · 21-11-2018 10:58PM

AllForIt wrote: »

It's disgusting that his alcoholism is treated as a mitigating factor for his reprehensible character.

Look at this pic that The Mirror decided to put along this latest story about him.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-paul-gascoigne-charged-sexual-13612880

Ahh, so sweet. Poor ole alcoholic with daemons. Lovable ole rogue. Knacker.

Feck me, put a fur coat on him there and he would pass for Pat Butcher

SEPT 23 1989 · 21-11-2018 11:08PM

The greatest English footballer of his generation

No card bad tackle

A gift turns into a curse as usual for the working class

AllForIt · 21-11-2018 11:14PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

A gift turns into a curse as usual for the working class

Well it just goes to show that the phenomenon of the lower working classes is not the direct product of a failed capitalist system. Rather it is about the kind of ppl they are. You could give a fortune to the most deprived underclass but they would prolly stay in their social class forever including their offspring.

completedit · 22-11-2018 12:34AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The greatest English footballer of his generation

No card bad tackle

A gift turns into a curse as usual for the working class

Every footballer ever is working class. Being working class is not some huge burden lmao, you're just a regular joe soap.

*I know not literally every footballer, but it's not unique to be working class and to wind up professional

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1816689.main_image.jpg?strip=all His childhood home, it's not exactly a favella in Brazil or even a trailer park in the middle of Texas(like Clint Dempsey)

holyhead · 22-11-2018 12:45AM

Gascoigne was easily the most talented English footballer of his generation. Sadly once his playing days ended he was lost. Didn't know what to do with himself. Add in a weakness for alcohol and you have a car crash. Alcohol takes the nicest of people to the lowest of places. Another problem for Gascoigne is because he is an alcoholic he is a godsend for the gutter press. A gift that unwittingly keeps on giving. The redtops are a disgrace but equally Gascoigne has a duty of care to himself which he cannot absolve himself of via alcohol. He is an adult and yet sadly he strikes me as someone who never grew up.
He was a genius on the pitch but sadly off it a living breathing disaster and the question is not if but when he hits dire straits like George Best.

BrianBoru00 · 22-11-2018 12:49AM

Sure we love our stars with a bit of weakness.

While I don't condone what he's been accused above, he's entitled by law, if not by social media and the baying mob, of innocence until proven guilty.

Now from his point of view he sat beside someone and comforted her when she was called "a fat cow", put his arm around her and gave her a kiss on the cheek.
It's probably inappropriate and from his angle he has misjudged the situation.

But sexual assault? That's the same category as someone who outs his hand up a girls dress and touches her while grabbing her breasts. Now I know that's the law as its stands but is it fair that he's been plastered all over the newspapers as sexually assaulting someone ?

I've watched Gazza over his career and he comes across as a great bit of crack, genuine person who was badly affected by the loss of a younger neighbour when he was younger. And while not condoning any crimes - They're always made public and mud sticks

zapitastas · 22-11-2018 12:51AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

They said Scotland Yard examined the letter and stated it was real.they also had the same ira member under surveillance at the time if its to be believed.it is plausible though

Was it not just him saying all of those things. Seems very far fetched that the IRA would be bothered notifying gazza that he was to be executed for pretending to play a flute. Thought that was a weak point in the documentary that they were kind of passing it off as a real situation

weldoninhio · 22-11-2018 01:09AM

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Sure we love our stars with a bit of weakness.

While I don't condone what he's been accused above, he's entitled by law, if not by social media and the baying mob, of innocence until proven guilty.

Now from his point of view he sat beside someone and comforted her when she was called "a fat cow", put his arm around her and gave her a kiss on the cheek.
It's probably inappropriate and from his angle he has misjudged the situation.

But sexual assault? That's the same category as someone who outs his hand up a girls dress and touches her while grabbing her breasts. Now I know that's the law as its stands but is it fair that he's been plastered all over the newspapers as sexually assaulting someone ?

I've watched Gazza over his career and he comes across as a great bit of crack, genuine person who was badly affected by the loss of a younger neighbour when he was younger. And while not condoning any crimes - They're always made public and mud sticks

Bit of craic? He’s a bully and a coward. Wife beating scummer who tries to drink away his shame.

Motivator · 22-11-2018 01:19AM

Sympathy is the feeling people have towards Gazza and rightly so. He is and always has been a very troubled figure. He had a hugely difficult childhood as it was and then one of his best pals got run down and killed in front of him. His escape from a life that was destined to go nowhere was football but this in turn proved to be his downfall. He was manipulated by agents, coaches and owners of football clubs. Throw in the hangers on that he had and the tabloid press in England and it was a disaster from the start for him. Literally everywhere he went people wanted a piece of him or wanted to try and stitch him up.

There’s a very good documentary on YouTube about his time at Lazio. He was a god in Rome but one thing that stood out for me was when he mentioned his money. I can’t remember the exact figure he was on every month but I think it was £30,000, he said he only saw a small percentage of it because everyone had their hands out. He’s a vulnerable and weak person and any story I’vr heard or book I’ve read about him he is spoken of very fondly by all the players he played with and against. He’s a sick person and I won’t read any story about him on the Daily Mail, The Sun or The Mirror website. What they did to him for years was bad enough but they’re constantly at him even now - long after he’s retired. Just leave the man alone.

Doctors room ghost · 22-11-2018 01:19AM

zapitastas wrote: »

Was it not just him saying all of those things. Seems very far fetched that the IRA would be bothered notifying gazza that he was to be executed for pretending to play a flute. Thought that was a weak point in the documentary that they were kind of passing it off as a real situation

I don’t know.he would have been a really high profile celebrity at that time and the Northern Ireland troubles were in full flow. I wouldn’t be surprised to be honest if it was true.

Lefty Bicek · 22-11-2018 01:19AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Bit of craic? He’s a bully and a coward. Wife beating scummer who tries to drink away his shame.

Great footballer though.

Doctors room ghost · 22-11-2018 01:24AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Bit of craic? He’s a bully and a coward. Wife beating scummer who tries to drink away his shame.

The man suffered childhood trauma,a tough upbringing,serious mental health issues throughout,a rise to fame and all that comes with it,and an addiction.im not excusing his behavior but if you watch the documentary you mightn’t be as quick to label him a bully coward or scummer. The mans been through a lot and anyone getting up every morning battling mental health issues like him have my sympathy

zapitastas · 22-11-2018 02:54AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I don’t know.he would have been a really high profile celebrity at that time and the Northern Ireland troubles were in full flow. I wouldn’t be surprised to be honest if it was true.

It happened in 1998, post GFA. I doubt that the IRA would have jepordised the hard won peace negotiations so they could off gazza for playing an imaginary flute. Man is a Walter Mitty type or else was heavily paranoid to the point of imagining stuff

weldoninhio · 22-11-2018 10:08AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

The man suffered childhood trauma,a tough upbringing,serious mental health issues throughout,a rise to fame and all that comes with it,and an addiction.im not excusing his behavior but if you watch the documentary you mightn’t be as quick to label him a bully coward or scummer. The mans been through a lot and anyone getting up every morning battling mental health issues like him have my sympathy

Battering his wife and dislocating her fingers one by one was probably great therapy for him, eh??

Doctors room ghost · 22-11-2018 11:53AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Battering his wife and dislocating her fingers one by one was probably great therapy for him, eh??

As I already said I don’t excuse any of his behavior.im just saying there is a lot of mitigating factors that would have huge effect on the way he acts.

AllGunsBlazing · 22-11-2018 01:21PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Stan Collymore made a very good point once, about how he remains villified to this day for punching his girlfriend in 1998, but Gascoigne, who once threw his wife down a flight of stairs, is a figure who receives love, support and compassion despite his demons.

One scored an absolute screamer against the Scots, the other didn't.

Glib as that sounds it's the simple truth of the matter.

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