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American killed by tribe in India

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    cdeb wrote: »
    Uncontacted.

    Unless you're saying they're going around tapping debit cards at people. :)

    My bad, mush brain right here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭Feisar


    cdeb wrote: »
    Why would you have no business going to Tajikistan?

    Fairly ignorant comment tbh.

    ??? What? Yer taking the pistachios. ISIS roaming about, that's why.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    He told them "Jesus saves" but when Jesus didn't try to save him they concluded he was telling lies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    VanGogh18 wrote: »
    Why should those islanders be left in peace when we are not being left alone in peace on our island
    fukin hypocrisy of the left

    On the principle that it is good to treat people the way you would want to be treated, and that it's bad to treat people the same way mean people treat us? Is that a leftist thing?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Here's a friendly encounter back in the 90's



    Since then no official contact has been allowed. What is known of their culture is minimal. They're likely similar to others in the region. One odd thing they do when approached by boats is as well as hurling spears and arrows the men and women shag each other vigorously on the beach in full view. Showing off in fact. What that's about who knows. :D
    How do we know they never domesticated dogs? I'm always extremely sceptical when it come to the *ahem* soft sciences.
    It's not social sciences we're talking here. Archaeological evidence and the various tribes own words. The domestication of the wolf/dog appears to have happened a couple of times in a couple of places, but the earliest definitive example of a "dog" is about 15,000 years ago. There are tantalising glimpses that may show earlier domestication events at 20,000 plus years ago, but they're rare. Genetic evidence in modern dogs and wolves gives a figure around the 10,000 mark.

    The upshot of all that being that the Andaman islanders had long left Africa and the Asian mainland before the dog came along. That added to the archaeological evidence strongly suggests they didn't have dogs until outsiders showed up. And even then when they did, the islanders showed no interest in keeping dogs themselves.

    Their cultures have degraded over the millennia. They once had pottery, but for some reason knocked that on the head about a thousand years ago. That tech may well have been brought in from outside.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭satguy


    cdeb wrote: »
    Why would you have no business going to Tajikistan?

    Fairly ignorant comment tbh.

    It's bang on,, also the give away is that it ends in "stan"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭erica74


    Let them chill on their island in peace. You'd be jealous of them really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭amcalester


    erica74 wrote: »
    Let them chill on their island in peace. You'd be jealous of them really.

    Ah I dunno, I’d say the WiFi is ****.

    No point sitting on a tropical beach if you can’t insta it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,707 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Sky news has a bit more detail than the BBC article

    https://news.sky.com/story/us-man-killed-by-tribe-after-ignoring-ban-on-visiting-remote-north-sentinel-island-11559343
    On the evening of 14 November the group of six pretended to be fishing to evade the patrolling police, coast guard and navy ships, reaching the island at midnight before Mr Chau kayaked to the island on the morning of 15 November.
    Indian police officials confirmed the death and said a local electronics engineer simply named Alexander, who was a friend of Mr Chau's, a local watersports instructor and five fishermen who allegedly aided last Saturday's visit have been arrested for violating the terms of the island protection laws and for causing Mr Chau's death.
    Local officers said they received an email from the US consulate general in Chennai, on the Indian mainland, saying Mr Chau's mother had contacted them to tell them he had visited North Sentinel Island and been attacked by tribesmen. They said the fishermen informed Alexander in Port Blair about his death and gave him 13 pages of his journal. Alexander then told one of Mr Chau's friends in the US who told his mother.

    "They didn't inform the police or any government authority in this regard," Andaman Police said.
    Police officials said a murder case had been registered against "unknown" tribespeople - but they are also blaming the fishermen, Mr Chau's friend and the watersports instructor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Since then no official contact has been allowed. What is known of their culture is minimal. They're likely similar to others in the region. One odd thing they do when approached by boats is as well as hurling spears and arrows the men and women shag each other vigorously on the beach in full view. Showing off in fact. What that's about who knows. :D

    And THIS is the video you show us?!?! :D
    Wibbs wrote: »


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    How did the photographer not die :eek:

    sigma-200-500mm-lens.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    They’ve met and seen umpteen foreigners before, as can be seen by Wibb’s video above. Not to mention that there’s probably been a few voyeuristic unlicensed tours taken place as well as a load of illegal fishing to boot. Their neighbours on the nearby islands have been practically wiped out by foreigners, a fact they’re probably aware of - no wonder they’re not too keen on visitors. They mightn’t have a world view, but the probably know that outsiders mean bad news for them.

    Some dopey arrogant yank rocking up off his head on Jesus and the Good News isn’t going to be exempt from their suspicion. I’ve no sympathy for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://in.reuters.com/article/india-usa-murder/american-killed-on-remote-indian-island-barred-to-visitors-idINKCN1NQ0RR
    In his notes, the source said, Chau wrote that some members of the tribe were good to him while others were very aggressive.

    “I have been so nice to them, why are they so angry and so aggressive?” the source quoted Chau as saying.

    Reuters was unable to immediately trace contact details for Chau’s family or a representative.

    The source, who asked not to be named, said Chau wrote that he was “doing this to establish the kingdom of Jesus on the island...Do not blame the natives if I am killed.”

    Oh dear, oh dear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    troyzer wrote: »
    They've killed someone before and I remember reading that the government decided that basically no laws apply there and they couldn't be prosecuted.

    Reminds me of a group we have in Ireland but this Tribe in India stick to themselves.

    I wonder is there any chance of swapping?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Spleerbun


    FTA69 wrote: »

    Some dopey arrogant yank rocking up off his head on Jesus and the Good News isn’t going to be exempt from their suspicion. I’ve no sympathy for him.

    Have to agree with this.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Feisar wrote: »
    ??? What? Yer taking the pistachios. ISIS roaming about, that's why.

    Ignorance it is so. FCO advice is Tajikistan is grand barring general precautions. Other Stans are fantastic tourist destinations. The attack you reference was the first of its kind in Tajikistan. Not comparable with a group of people it's illegal to contact because they are actively hostile to outsiders.

    But hey, close your mind to the Stans because of one incident if you want. But it's the definition of ignorance really

    (This has gone way off topic; apologies)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    A Helicopter flew low over their island after the 2004 Tsunami to see if they had survived...When the waiting officials saw the helicopter returning back to base with arrows sticking out of it, they remarked "they seem to be ok then".


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,707 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    A freighter ran aground on the north beach of the island in 1981, the Primrose. The crew requested evacuation because they believed the islanders were going to attack however bad weather meant their primitive canoes couldn't reach the vessel. The crew were evacuated by helicopter.

    https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/08/25/Twenty-eight-sailors-shipwrecked-for-nearly-two-weeks-off-a/1381367560000/

    The shipwreck is still there, I wonder what the Islanders thought of it when they got to it eventually.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@11.5933068,92.2134359,877m/data=!3m1!1e3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Wut nonsense is this? They have made it abundantly clear for many decades they want to be left alone. The government of the region respects that wish and makes it illegal to contact them. Once or twice they have been friendly to passing fishermen so long as they didn't step onto their land. Moron goes to convert them into a culture nor religion they want to have anything to do with, a moron that could kill them with a sneeze and they kill him. Sounds like a pretty good basis for self defence to me.

    Are these morons like the mormons ?
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Here's a friendly encounter back in the 90's



    Since then no official contact has been allowed. What is known of their culture is minimal. They're likely similar to others in the region. One odd thing they do when approached by boats is as well as hurling spears and arrows the men and women shag each other vigorously on the beach in full view. Showing off in fact. What that's about who knows. :D

    And where is that video ?
    Wibbs wrote: »
    It's not social sciences we're talking here. Archaeological evidence and the various tribes own words. The domestication of the wolf/dog appears to have happened a couple of times in a couple of places, but the earliest definitive example of a "dog" is about 15,000 years ago. There are tantalising glimpses that may show earlier domestication events at 20,000 plus years ago, but they're rare. Genetic evidence in modern dogs and wolves gives a figure around the 10,000 mark.

    The upshot of all that being that the Andaman islanders had long left Africa and the Asian mainland before the dog came along. That added to the archaeological evidence strongly suggests they didn't have dogs until outsiders showed up. And even then when they did, the islanders showed no interest in keeping dogs themselves.

    Their cultures have degraded over the millennia. They once had pottery, but for some reason knocked that on the head about a thousand years ago. That tech may well have been brought in from outside.

    But they do like cats, right ?

    Any chance this is a possible location for I'm a celebrity ....
    cdeb wrote: »
    Ignorance it is so. FCO advice is Tajikistan is grand barring general precautions. Other Stans are fantastic tourist destinations. The attack you reference was the first of its kind in Tajikistan. Not comparable with a group of people it's illegal to contact because they are actively hostile to outsiders.

    But hey, close your mind to the Stans because of one incident if you want. But it's the definition of ignorance really

    (This has gone way off topic; apologies)

    Does that include Afghanistan and Pakistan ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    If there is only around 150 of them they must be very inbred by now, I'm not saying that trying to be smart or anything but you would think it would mean they have health problems when they are all so closely related.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    well we have world thats full of dangerous places but most who go there pretty much do whatever it takes to get permission and security to do so, not just dropping out from nowhere and being chopped up, or going across land mine field and hoping to get by fine.


    Doesnt matter if person was american or other nationality outcome would been the same, given he was nuts in the first place, if locals keep out of there some westerner should take a hint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Reminds of the guy(s) living with bears.

    There is always a reason why people stay away from some situations, but no there is always the ones that reckon they can buck the trend and it is everyone else that is wrong.

    As someone else mentioned earlier, this guy has shot to the top of the Darwin nominations.

    You would have pity on his family, so long as they didn't know what he was about to do.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    a few nukes would soften their cough


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    If there is only around 150 of them they must be very inbred by now, I'm not saying that trying to be smart or anything but you would think it would mean they have health problems when they are all so closely related.

    It would remind me of a few places, one being in Galway. ;)

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    These folk want to be left alone...so it's downright bad manners not to respect their wishes.

    Anyhow I suspect it will be a long time before anyone else goes there to bring them the 'good news' :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,836 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Reminds me of a group we have in Ireland but this Tribe in India stick to themselves.

    I wonder is there any chance of swapping?


    Rathkeale's more dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    jmayo wrote: »
    It would remind me of a few places, one being in Galway. ;)

    We like to cross the border to breed with Mayo women occasionally just to mix things up a bit ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    We like to cross the border to breed with Mayo women occasionally just to mix things up a bit ;)

    How do you stop them from shooting arrows at you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Ipso wrote: »
    How do you stop them from shooting arrows at you?

    it's shtop in that part of the world

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Ipso wrote: »
    How do you stop them from shooting arrows at you?

    We tell them stories about what it's like to win an All Ireland, it helps calm them down.


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