Ireland v New Zealand match thread

prawnsambo · 19-11-2018 09:54PM

I see Metallica are playing The Aviva.

Conas · 19-11-2018 09:55PM

Asus X540L wrote: »

Good win but they way people are carrying on the world has just solved world hunger.

The performance in Chicago was better in that NZ never looked like they had a chance in that game.
The bounce of a ball in Dublin was the difference this time.
Also we just won a grand slam and people weren't going as mental as this.

Ireland will probably go to Japan as favourites now which is when they flop badly.

I think we certainly do strive more as being the underdogs, definitely in rugby. Obviously with the weekends result we will no longer be going into the big games as underdogs anymore. Historically we certainly don't like the favourites tag of that I'm sure. I think Eamon Dunphy once said 'as nation we are best in adversity'.

I just hope the team handles the favourites tag and the expectations that will now come with that now. We are odds on to win next years six nations. The team will now be expected to win every game,

prawnsambo · 19-11-2018 10:17PM

Conas wrote: »

I think we certainly do strive more as being the underdogs, definitely in rugby. Obviously with the weekends result we will no longer be going into the big games as underdogs anymore. Historically we certainly don't like the favourites tag of that I'm sure. I think Eamon Dunphy once said 'as nation we are best in adversity'.

I just hope the team handles the favourites tag and the expectations that will now come with that now. We are odds on to win next years six nations. The team will now be expected to win every game,

Have you been asleep for a while? Favourites to win the six nations won the grand slam.

Steve · 19-11-2018 10:19PM

So, what happens if they get Joe and we get Hansen.. ??

prawnsambo · 19-11-2018 10:20PM

Steve wrote: »

So, what happens if they get Joe and we get Hansen.. ??

So long as we get to keep Andy Farrell.

awec · 19-11-2018 10:27PM

Josh Van der Flier the first man in support for Stockdale for the try. Good job he didn't have to offload though or VDF have to get involved cause VDF was offside from the kick.

The Rape of Lucretia · 19-11-2018 10:30PM

Somebody always has to run interference in system Joe.

Conas · 19-11-2018 10:30PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Have you been asleep for a while? Favourites to win the six nations won the grand slam.

More like odds on to win the six nations. We won the Grand Slam this year but England were favourites to win the 2018 six nations before it started.

This is the first six nations maybe ever where we are red hot favourites to win it. I said it in the context that we'll no longer be going into any game against anyone as underdogs, and I just hope we handle the favourites tag, and the expectations and pressure that will come with that.

The Rape of Lucretia · 19-11-2018 10:34PM

Conas wrote: »

I just hope we handle the favourites tag, and the expectations and pressure that will come with that.

If 'we' are the players, then they will have no problem, and are well beyond that sort of stuff.
If 'we' are the followers and media, then, there will always be some, for whom their Irish rugby inferiority complex is so deeply rooted, that being favourites, will give them the heebie-jeebies.

prawnsambo · 19-11-2018 10:45PM

Conas wrote: »

More like odds on to win the six nations. We won the Grand Slam this year but England were favourites to win the 2018 six nations before it started.

This is the first six nations maybe ever where we are red hot favourites to win it. I said it in the context that we'll no longer be going into any game against anyone as underdogs, and I just hope we handle the favourites tag, and the expectations and pressure that will come with that.

You do realise that the odds changed during the 6N? And that there are five matches in the series? Ireland had the 6N won by the fourth. You don't think they were favourites after England got beaten?

awec · 19-11-2018 10:47PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

You do realise that the odds changed during the 6N? And that there are five matches in the series? Ireland had the 6N won by the fourth. You don't think they were favourites after England got beaten?

Yes but I think his point is that between now and February all the talk will be about Ireland. We are the team to beat, we are unequivocally the best team this side of the equator.

If we win another grand slam the pressure and focus on Ireland going into the World Cup will be unprecedented.

irishbucsfan · 19-11-2018 10:49PM

awec wrote: »

Josh Van der Flier the first man in support for Stockdale for the try. Good job he didn't have to offload though or VDF have to get involved cause VDF was offside from the kick.

Stockdale was the kicker

troyzer · 19-11-2018 10:49PM

awec wrote: »

prawnsambo wrote: »

You do realise that the odds changed during the 6N? And that there are five matches in the series? Ireland had the 6N won by the fourth. You don't think they were favourites after England got beaten?

Yes but I think his point is that between now and February all the talk will be about Ireland. We are the team to beat, we are unequivocally the best team this side of the equator.

If we win another grand slam the pressure and focus on Ireland going into the World Cup will be unprecedented.

If we win the grand slam we'll be ranked number 1 going into the warm ups. At which point I think it becomes really difficult mathematically for the All Blacks to take top spot without us ****ing up.

awec · 19-11-2018 10:49PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Stockdale was the kicker

Yes. VDF was in front of him when he kicked it.

19-11-2018 10:52PM

Elvisjuice wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1064497646109409280

unreal

What is the takeaway from this?

blackcard · 19-11-2018 10:55PM

Should Ireland start with Carbery and Scanell in one of the bigger 6 nations matches risking a loss but giving vital experience to the lads?

irishbucsfan · 19-11-2018 10:58PM

awec wrote: »

Yes. VDF was in front of him when he kicked it.

I guess you're not aware, but the kicker puts players onside when he passes them. There never would have been a problem.

prawnsambo · 19-11-2018 11:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What is the takeaway from this?

A lot less ruck involvement in the latter match. Defensive line was set quicker and line speed better, so NZ weren't making the same yards per carry and we didn't have three or four lads stuck in rucks.

awec · 19-11-2018 11:04PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I guess you're not aware, but the kicker puts players onside when he passes them. There never would have been a problem.

lol.

How did I forget that. You're correct, I am away to hide in shame.

:o

The Rape of Lucretia · 19-11-2018 11:09PM

blackcard wrote: »

Should Ireland start with Carbery and Scanell in one of the bigger 6 nations matches risking a loss but giving vital experience to the lads?

More than one. And the same principle throughout the team.
Healy, Best, Toner, Sexto, Kearney, Murray, Earlsie should only start two, or max three games this 6N.

They have loads of caps under their belts and nothing to gain from more experience, need to be protected and game limited, and we need the maximum serious game time possible for their backups.

Larmo must start 3 heavy games at full back, Conway must start a couple on the wing and switch to full back on 60 mins.

All combinations and permutations of centres are needed.

We need Carbo playing 2 games with Murray, two with Marmion. Byrne to start the Italy one, with Johnny on the bench.

Only two of our four primary backrows to start any one game, with Conan, Murphy, Beirne to get starts, and maybe Tank if he has played a few games for Leinster.

The 5th second row - presumably Rouxser - has to get time as well.

prawnsambo · 19-11-2018 11:15PM

awec wrote: »

lol.

How did I forget that. You're correct, I am away to hide in shame. :o

The rest of us were staying quiet in the hopes that you'd have a lightbulb moment and let yourself down gently. Unfortunately IBF doesn't possess the same sensibilities.

Shefwedfan · 19-11-2018 11:15PM

blackcard wrote: »

Should Ireland start with Carbery and Scanell in one of the bigger 6 nations matches risking a loss but giving vital experience to the lads?

Carberry is getting loads of experience...

Why throw him into a 6 nations game and distroy his confidence. How many years before Jackson recovered from the Scotland game....

The 6 nations is the bread and butter for the IRFU, the money maker. IN reality it is more important than the World Cup.

Could Carberry get a run, maybe but I would not be doing it to risk a victory

Scanell exactly the same

Franz Von Peppercorn · 19-11-2018 11:32PM

blackcard wrote: »

Should Ireland start with Carbery and Scanell in one of the bigger 6 nations matches risking a loss but giving vital experience to the lads?

Definitely a game or two. I would think. Italy for sure. Scotland maybe.

Conas · 19-11-2018 11:47PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

You do realise that the odds changed during the 6N? And that there are five matches in the series? Ireland had the 6N won by the fourth. You don't think they were favourites after England got beaten?

Yes, but I was talking pre-six nations. We have never been odds on to win the six nations ever.

Clegg · 19-11-2018 11:48PM

blackcard wrote: »

Should Ireland start with Carbery and Scanell in one of the bigger 6 nations matches risking a loss but giving vital experience to the lads?

The 6 Nations is what the IRFU budgets around every year. There's no real scope to experiment with sides and Schmidt has said the same thing. The World Cup is a huge tournament but only comes once every four years. Can't throw out your finances just for a shot at the trophy.

But as it is we've been building for the tournament since November 2015. The squad is in so much better shape than back then. We've given a lot of guys caps and experience at test level.

Deusexmachina · 19-11-2018 11:50PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

More than one. And the same principle throughout the team.
Healy, Best, Toner, Sexto, Kearney, Murray, Earlsie should only start two, or max three games this 6N.

They have loads of caps under their belts and nothing to gain from more experience, need to be protected and game limited, and we need the maximum serious game time possible for their backups.

Larmo must start 3 heavy games at full back, Conway must start a couple on the wing and switch to full back on 60 mins.

All combinations and permutations of centres are needed.

We need Carbo playing 2 games with Murray, two with Marmion. Byrne to start the Italy one, with Johnny on the bench.

Only two of our four primary backrows to start any one game, with Conan, Murphy, Beirne to get starts, and maybe Tank if he has played a few games for Leinster.

The 5th second row - presumably Rouxser - has to get time as well.

Tank, Rouxser, Carbo, Earlsie, Sexto.....

prawnsambo · 19-11-2018 11:58PM

Conas wrote: »

Yes, but I was talking pre-six nations. We have never been odds on to win the six nations ever.

I know you were. But you said this:

Obviously with the weekends result we will no longer be going into the big games as underdogs anymore. Historically we certainly don't like the favourites tag of that I'm sure.

We went into the final match of the 6N as anything but underdogs. With a grand slam on the line. We even went iinto Saturday's game with a cigarette paper between us and NZ with the bookies.

errlloyd · 19-11-2018 11:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is the takeaway from this?

In my place loads of people were critical of McGrath for box kicking away with two mins on. You live and die by those sort of decisions. But I presume the takeaway was that Barnes, like Owens, won't let a team run it red.

Although it was Barnes in toulouse...

irishbucsfan · 20-11-2018 12:00AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I know you were. But you said this:

We went into the final match of the 6N as anything but underdogs. With a grand slam on the line. We even went iinto Saturday's game with a cigarette paper between us and NZ with the bookies.

Favourites going into every game, actually. Favourites away in France even, which is surely extremely uncommon.

prawnsambo · 20-11-2018 12:04AM

errlloyd wrote: »

In my place loads of people were critical of McGrath for box kicking away with two mins on. You live and die by those sort of decisions. But I presume the takeaway was that Barnes, like Owens, won't let a team run it red.

Although it was Barnes in toulouse...

Barnes actually warned the next pod to "go in up". McGrath kicked on the next recycle.

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