Ireland v New Zealand match thread

Buer · 17-11-2018 10:43PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Ireland were brilliant tonight. A lot of great performances.
For me though it's a bit tempered by a feeling that this New Zealand team has looked a little fatigued over the last two months. The losses to South Africa and England we're poor performances. I feel like we will see a much different beast come the World Cup.

I feel you've already been watching a different beast.

England lost to them.

Irishmale0399 · 17-11-2018 10:43PM

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Germany play rugby did i see that right?

Yes they do!!!

PTH2009 · 17-11-2018 10:44PM

What a win, what a performance, what a night. Electric atmosphere

Has horrible flashbacks of 2013 near the end of the game but the Irish players gave it there all to make sure history would not repeat

Loved the slow walk forward for the haka

On route home now and going to enjoy a pint later

dublinman1990 · 17-11-2018 10:44PM

A few pics from today's mighty win in the Aviva.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1063895699023151109

17-11-2018 10:45PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

That little one handed flip recovery from Marmo was terrific.

Folks, we have a really top grade scrum half in Murray.

But both our backups played a serious game of rugby today, and didnt look out of place.

yes, great performance by Marmion at the elite level. chapeau

Heymans · 17-11-2018 10:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are the All Blacks a bit over rated?

No. We barely held them out in the end. Us at our best and playing at home.

Heymans · 17-11-2018 10:49PM

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Germany play rugby did i see that right?

Coached by mike ford

Hammer Archer · 17-11-2018 10:49PM

Really have to work on the lineout. Twice we lost 5m lineouts on our own throw when we could have sealed the game. Another one we let dribble out and were lucky to hang onto it.
I hope that the win, as great as it was, doesn't cloud the fact that we should really have won by 10-20 points had we been more clinical.

Peatys · 17-11-2018 10:49PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Ireland were brilliant tonight. A lot of great performances.
For me though it's a bit tempered by a feeling that this New Zealand team has looked a little fatigued over the last two months. The losses to South Africa and England we're poor performances. I feel like we will see a much different beast come the World Cup.

Eagle eye!?!

Doctors room ghost · 17-11-2018 10:50PM

Fair play to Ireland today.they played some great rugby and never let up the pressure.great win.

Alpha_zero · 17-11-2018 10:51PM

Whenever someone or a team loses they become overrated.

Steve · 17-11-2018 10:52PM

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Trolling in this thread

Buer · 17-11-2018 10:52PM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Really have to work on the lineout. Twice we lost 5m lineouts on our own throw when we could have sealed the game. Another one we let dribble out and were lucky to hang onto it.
I hope that the win, as great as it was, doesn't cloud the fact that we should really have won by 10-20 points had we been more clinical.

It was disappointing but you need to take into account the quality of the second row pairing we were up against. Retallick is a phenomenal player and Whitelock is merely one of the top 5 locks in the world.

dublinman1990 · 17-11-2018 10:53PM

Jonathan Sexton will be live on The Ray Darcy Show next week....with a big grin.

Hammer Archer · 17-11-2018 10:54PM

Buer wrote: »

It was disappointing but you need to take into account the quality of the second row pairing we were up against. Retallick is a phenomenal player and Whitelock is merely one of the top 5 locks in the world.

That is very true. Maybe I'm just being overly critical. I just feel our lineout isn't as good as it should be, especially when Toner goes off.

Christy42 · 17-11-2018 10:57PM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

That is very true. Maybe I'm just being overly critical. I just feel our lineout isn't as good as it should be, especially when Toner goes off.

Maybe that is the level we should judge ourselves to. We are the second best team in the world. We need to be looking to win lineouts in the 5m channel against anyone in the world. Certainly there are mitigating factors but I reckon that is something Joe will take from this.

Buer · 17-11-2018 10:57PM

Actually, I've watched the last 10 minutes again. The two kicks from McGrath were actually very good. First one was a pre-determined move. It was to go into a maul and the box kick. The back line had all come up into the line for a chase and he went immediately to the far side of the maul to shape up for the kick. It landed on the edge of the 22 with chasers arriving.

The second kick took place from halfway. Barnes audibly tells the Irish carriers "make sure you arrive up, make sure you arrive up!", pointing to them. He was looking forensically to penalise Ireland for going off feet. He was right to kick. Plenty of air and landed within the sideline and 5m line which gave us a great opportunity of putting the catcher into touch. Could have gone 5m further but could not fault it otherwise.

Aidric · 17-11-2018 10:57PM

Hand on heart I thought the loss of Murray would have cost us marginally tonight. Marmion didn't half step up. His delivery was crisp and he chipped in admirably on defense. McGrath paled in comparison when he came on and almost cost us.

Overall though there was a real sense of collective effort that they were going to leave everything out there tonight. We rattled the All Blacks and that's not something that happens very often. We were full value for the win and hopefully Schmidt is sufficiently bolstered by the win to stay on.

Heymans · 17-11-2018 10:58PM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

That is very true. Maybe I'm just being overly critical. I just feel our lineout isn't as good as it should be, especially when Toner goes off.

Agreed. And I don’t think it was Cronin coming on either. NZ had 4 jumpers today and outside our first 2 jumpers our level drops off. Won’t say who I think needs to pick up their lineout game and take ownership of that facet of play but he has been called a lion tonight and one of the best in the world at 22 years of age

Buer · 17-11-2018 10:59PM

Aidric wrote: »

Hand on heart I thought the loss of Murray would have cost us marginally tonight. Marmion didn't half step up. His delivery was crisp and he chipped in admirably on defense. McGrath paled in comparison when he came on and almost cost us.

Honestly, McGrath didn't put a foot wrong when he came on. Put in a massive defensive shift and his passing, a real issue of his at times, was pretty much perfect. He played 20 minutes but only 5 Irish players made more tackles.

The two scrum halves had fine games.

irishbucsfan · 17-11-2018 11:00PM

Heymans wrote: »

Agreed. And I don’t think it was Cronin coming on either. NZ had 4 jumpers today and outside our first 2 jumpers our level drops off. Won’t say who I think needs to pick up their lineout game and take ownership of that facet of play but he has been called a lion tonight and one of the best in the world at 22 years of age

The two lineouts we lost were throws to Henderson and Murphy.

Both were slow up and beaten to the ball, either a lethargic lift or poor understanding between jumper and thrower.

twinytwo · 17-11-2018 11:03PM

After tonight we know we are not completely ****ed if something happens murray.

However....

- we are still totally reliant on sexton, carbery needs proper game time between now and the world cup.

- our lineout goes to the dogs when toner and pom go off.

- FB is a **** storm outside of kearney

degsie · 17-11-2018 11:04PM

WOW!

Heymans · 17-11-2018 11:05PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The two lineouts we lost were throws to Henderson and Murphy.

Both were slow up and beaten to the ball, either a lethargic lift or poor understanding between jumper and thrower.

Yes I know that but how many lineout were thrown to Ryan? Not many. He needs to take on the responsibility and ownership of lineout possession to be really top class in my view

elefant · 17-11-2018 11:06PM

vienne86 wrote: »

McGrath on for Marmion. Good.

Bad post.

PerrinV2 · 17-11-2018 11:07PM

Is there anyway I can rewatch the match?
I missed it.

MJohnston · 17-11-2018 11:08PM

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Is there anyway I can rewatch the match?
I missed it.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/rugby-union/on-demand/69157-002

Thermoman12 · 17-11-2018 11:09PM

Does this mean Ireland are number one in world rankings?

irishbucsfan · 17-11-2018 11:10PM

Heymans wrote: »

Yes I know that but how many lineout were thrown to Ryan? Not many. He needs to take on the responsibility and ownership of lineout possession to be really top class in my view

Our very first lineout of the game went to him anyway. Wasn't counting after that.

I'd imagine the vast majority went to Toner because that's his specialty.

Ryan was fantastic around the field. As was Toner to be fair to him.

twinytwo · 17-11-2018 11:10PM

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Thermoman12 wrote: »

Does this mean Ireland are number one in world rankings?

No i think we are just short

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