Diesel to contain 10% fame from 1/1/19

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 04:30PM

JJJJNR wrote: »

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It's ironic that this is labelled a green solution yet the cost from what i see could be mass amounts of scrapped cars posioning the land and water table sitting rusting away ..........

Your car app will be recycled when it needs to be updated :

01:28 - Car data acquisition and logistics
04:49 - Deploying the airbags to neutralize the pyrotechnical components
10:14 - Draining operating fluids
18:27- Car dismantling
21:40- Engine removal and vehicle body press

** Parts recycling:

25:13 - Car glass
29:49 - Instrument panel
32:04 - Bumper
33:40 - Rear window shelf
35:28 - Aluminium parts
40:28 - Shredding ferrous metals
43:16 - Processing shredded residues

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CJhaughey · 17-11-2018 04:54PM

JJJJNR wrote: »

The whole government, social welfare, healthcare system, pensions basically everything government wise benefits from the fleet being upgraded it's a good thing really, means other taxes don't go up ie paye.

I'm confused though, is normal diesel going to be available at the pumps or is everything getting this additive.

The point is everything will be getting B10 or E10, its the only game in town apparently and it is untested and many vehicles will not run well on it or will run for a short time only.
Its not such a big issue in other states as they have several choices of fuel unlike here which is one grade for diesel and another for petrol.
This is the crux of the matter. Its not a choice. Its being rammed down our filler nozzles like it or not.

_ptashek_ · 17-11-2018 05:27PM

Any mention in that doc of pushing unleaded beyond 5% ethanol content?
None of my cars can run on that E95-10 poison...

JJJJNR · 17-11-2018 06:39PM

CJhaughey wrote: »

The point is everything will be getting B10 or E10, its the only game in town apparently and it is untested and many vehicles will not run well on it or will run for a short time only.
Its not such a big issue in other states as they have several choices of fuel unlike here which is one grade for diesel and another for petrol.
This is the crux of the matter. Its not a choice. Its being rammed down our filler nozzles like it or not.

Here's a full list. Massive amount of cars not compatible.

https://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/ACEA_B10_compatibility.pdf

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-11-2018 06:44PM

demanufactured wrote: »

You'll all be charging EVs

Fixed.

Widdensushi · 17-11-2018 06:51PM

This is crazy,garages are going to be busy.

Cloudio9 · 17-11-2018 06:59PM

No BMWs compatible.

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 07:12PM

Citroen : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible

Peugeot : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible

Renault : All Euro 5 + models

Dacia : All Euro 5 + models

Horusire · 17-11-2018 07:15PM

Basicly all fords are incompatible?

So does this basicly mean my car won't work after the first fill in January?

This can't be right

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 07:19PM

Horusire wrote: »

Basicly all fords are incompatible?

It might - does it have a B10 sticker ?

Or you could just buy a Citroen

Dia1988 · 17-11-2018 07:19PM

Basically only Citroen, Peugeot, DS, Renault and Dacia with euro 5 or newer engines are compatible.

Twenty Grand · 17-11-2018 07:20PM

Seeing as biodiesel has less energy density than regular, not only will it cost more to buy, you'll get worse MPG.

Dia1988 · 17-11-2018 07:23PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Seeing as biodiesel has less energy density than regular, not only will it cost more to buy, you'll get worse MPG.

WHEN WILL THIS GOVERNMENT STOP RAPING THE COMMON MOTORIST?? Stupid Shane Ross

_Kaiser_ · 17-11-2018 07:24PM

VW/Audi? (specifically my 2010 3L TDI A6)

If this is going to be as damaging to a huge part of the motoring fleet in this country as it sounds, then why isn't it more widely known/discussed at this point given January 1st is only 6/7 weeks away at this stage.

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 07:24PM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Seeing as biodiesel has less energy density than regular, not only will it cost more to buy, you'll get worse MPG.

It not just some stuff thrown in on top of diesel - the base fuel is special to make up for it

( also if you separate out the FAME, the base your left with won't work )

Cheap tax tho

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-11-2018 07:36PM

My Da has a 2015 1.6 TDI Seat, does he need to get rid now?

mikeecho · 17-11-2018 07:47PM

_ptashek_ wrote: »

Any mention in that doc of pushing unleaded beyond 5% ethanol content?
None of my cars can run on that E95-10 poison...

A carbon copy from 2years ago.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057684935/1

Back then petrol and diesel were increased from E5 /B5 to E/B8

So, I presume petrol will also change to E10 this time.

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 07:47PM

Same as when Unleaded came in :

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1011/823260-unleaded-petrol-on-sale/

Less Pollution As Unleaded Petrol Goes On Sale 1986

Good news for the environment as unleaded petrol goes on sale in Ireland for the first time.

Following years of campaigning by environmentalists to have lead removed from petrol, motorists will now have the option to buy unleaded fuel at petrol stations throughout Ireland.

JJJJNR · 17-11-2018 08:47PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

VW/Audi? (specifically my 2010 3L TDI A6)

If this is going to be as damaging to a huge part of the motoring fleet in this country as it sounds, then why isn't it more widely known/discussed at this point given January 1st is only 6/7 weeks away at this stage.

My thoughts too but it seems the forecourts are preparing themselves given the OP. We do need clarification though because it's gonna be fairly cold in January.

I wouldn't be surprised if the government were putting it in under the radar, if derv already had 5% veg oil it would explain the lumpy running I've been having for a few years.

Twenty Grand · 17-11-2018 09:25PM

List of b10 compatible cars here.

It's a short list.
https://www.acea.be/publications/article/b10-diesel-fuel-vehicle-compatibility-list

This can't be true.

Even if b10 were sold it'd have sold alongside b7 and heavily signposted to stop people ruining their cars.

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 09:49PM

JJJJNR wrote: »

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I wouldn't be surprised if the government were putting it in under the radar, if derv already had 5% veg oil it would explain the lumpy running I've been having for a few years.

Under the radar ? Been ~5% for years, it's all over the internet n stuff

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 09:56PM

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http://www.nora.ie/biofuels-obligation-scheme.141.html

Every Oil Company and Oil Consumer liable to pay the NORA Levy (the ‘Obligated Parties’) must, in each obligation period, ensure that not less than 4 litres in every 100 litres of road transport fuel is biofuel.

This is called the ‘biofuel obligation’.

This ratio equates to 4.166% of petroleum-based motor fuel placed on the market (4.166% being 4/96: see Section 44C of the Legislation).

The first obligation period will run from from 1st July to 31st Dec 2010; thereafter, the obligation period will be the calendar year.

Since 1st January 2017, the biofuel obligation is 8 litres in every 100 litres.

This ratio equates to 8.695% of petroleum-based motor fuel placed on the market.

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Cloudio9 · 17-11-2018 10:11PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Citroen : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible

Peugeot : All models after 1 January 2000 are compatible

Renault : All Euro 5 + models

Dacia : All Euro 5 + models

Why do I suspect the French just ticked the box while the Germans read the f***ing documentation.

tabby aspreme · 17-11-2018 10:18PM

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Why do I suspect the French just ticked the box while the Germans read the f***ing documentation.

German car companies can't afford another 30 billion payout

ewj1978 · 17-11-2018 10:21PM

I've a 1.6 diesel mazda.. thats a PSA engine right? I should be grand??

The J Stands for Jay · 17-11-2018 10:31PM

gctest50 wrote: »

It might - does it have a B10 sticker ?

Or you could just buy a Citroen

Where would the b10 sticker be?

TallGlass · 17-11-2018 10:36PM

The modern engines have knock sensors, so can adjust to the fuel, that's the theory anyway. However, I am failing to see how additives on top of additives are helping the situation here.

The problem is, I need my car to commute cause where I work the transport situation is bad.

Del2005 · 17-11-2018 10:40PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Same as when Unleaded came in :

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1011/823260-unleaded-petrol-on-sale/

Big difference in taking a known dangerous substance from the fuel and putting a product which has very doubtful environmental credentials, all bio fuel made from food stock is not environmentally sound never mind the damage to engines, in to protect the environment.

gctest50 · 17-11-2018 10:41PM

McGaggs wrote: »

Where would the b10 sticker be?

Around the cap somewhere

You'd want to be sure it's the original cap/ door though - it may have been replaced

You need to ask your car dealer

mikeecho · 17-11-2018 10:54PM

McGaggs wrote: »

Where would the b10 sticker be?

gctest50 wrote: »

Around the cap somewhere

You'd want to be sure it's the original cap/ door though - it may have been replaced

You need to ask your car dealer

Or check the user manual.

Only new cars since October 12th 2018 are required to have the label on or at the fuel filler cap.
Prior to that it was not mandated, but usually listed in user manual.

On a bmw, it usually states "No Additives" and B7 MAX , on the fuel cap.

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