Punishment??

smelly sock wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/five-criminals-selected-to-become-first-inmates-of-countrys-new-highsecurity-jail-unit-37511826.html

A high security unit.......

Lock me up now. So criminals are punished with a large screen tv and xbox one.

Why do **** do i bother going out to work.

No wonder there is such a high re offending rate.

Apologies mods if this is in the wrong place.

Why don't you read the article. You'll feel a whole lot better.

smelly sock wrote: »

Tell me, when should you in a prison environment for committing a crime should you have access to an xbox 1?
Id say never can upset the pc do gooders.

Maybe they had a poor childhood though.

Of course they are entitled to a computer. They are in prison for rehabilitation and to serve custodial sentence for their crimes.

They are entitled to whatever their families provide for them.

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Why is it that Noway and in general the Scandies have good prison conditions, low crime rate and low reoffending rates while on the other hand the US system fails to work but we seem intent on trying to emulate the later rather than the former.

It's a high rehabilitation unit dealing with extreamly dangerous offenders. Bravo to the Irish Prison Service for trying to do something to break the cycle of violent reoffending.

Take your progressive thinking elsewhere /Mod deletion. Pls be civil herel/.

smelly sock wrote: »

A lot prisoners cant be rehabilitated.

Says who?

Commanchie wrote: »

Leon isnt on his way to the CBU. Stop with fake stories.

I suppose Brendan isn't either?

Brendan Cummins, who has carried out at least a dozen assaults in prison including an attack on an assistant governor, who was repeatedly punched in an exercise yard at Cloverhill and on two other staff members in Mountjoy and the Midlands jails.

Or is the "high security jail unit" for TV licence evaders?

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

No, people like him should be under the care of properly trained professionals, in humane conditions, trying to figure out what's gone wrong and how to fix it. Perhaps if that had been the situation 99 convictions ago there would have been more money to spend on the homeless.

No he has had 99 chances.

Prison so far hasn't been a deterrent.

I really think we need something like the three strikes.

However it should offer rehabilitation in the earlier stages.

1st Offence, A secure form of boarding school, release subject to attaining grades (with assistance for genuine learning difficulties)


2nd Offence, Hard labour, with option of further education after a few months, fail to get on and back to the hard labour. (those on their first offence should be able to observe this)


3rd Offence, Throw away the key!

How has the three strikes rule worked out in the US?

It costs somewhere in the region of 75K a year to keep someone in prison. You're suggesting we should spend millions of euro on a single prisoner rather than put facilities in place to rehabilitate offenders?

Commanchie wrote: »

Brendan cummins is in Portlaoise in A Unit. He is from Dundalk. In for a stabbing

Portlaoise would be the "Midlands jail"

"In for a stabbing", is that all? He should have been given a warning and let off:rolleyes:

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

How has the three strikes rule worked out in the US?

It costs somewhere in the region of 75K a year to keep someone in prison. You're suggesting we should spend millions of euro on a single prisoner rather than put facilities in place to rehabilitate offenders?

An oubliette wouldn't cost 75K a year!

Commanchie wrote: »

Says who?

Most of their victims and neighbours.

Luxury rewards for violent conduct???? We must be reaching peak "ahhh won't someone please think of the poor criminal".

Guys like this understand only one thing. Fear. They know how to manipulate and spread it in those around them. It is what gives their life meaning. It is their strength. And it is also their weakness. Make them fear prison and they will quickly reform their ways.

This will be a textbook mistake studied in colleges in 50 years when people look back at the liberal echo chamber we have lived in for the first 20 years of the twenty first century and wonder how we ever got through it without society breaking down around us. Thankfully there are signs that the wheel is turning. These lads should enjoy the fruits of their violent behaviour in prison. Hopefully before their sentences are up we'll have a government that isn't afraid to fight fear with fear.