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Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

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  • #8312
    SeamusFX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Why? Have you been living under a rock? If you are given proof of these things, will you suddenly change your mind about supporting him?

    Plus, if your proof is a news article from any reputable media outlet in the world, the Trumpistsbwould just call it Fake News and ignore it!


  • #8313
    hill16bhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    can I have proof of any of these things highlighted. Also he attacks all journalists, not just jewish ones, was he particularly bad to them ? did he know they were jewish ?

    this is verging on conspiracy theory stuff.

    If you follow US politics as much as you imply you do, you'll already be well aware of all this.

    The latter part of your post is obvious trolling, and you make no attempt to engage with the content of my previous reply.

    To paraphrase Andrew Gillum, I'm not saying Trump is an anti-semite, I'm just telling you the anti-semites think he's an anti-semite.

    You'd do really well to read Peter Beinart's recent piece below, because, like so many Trump supporters, you display a profound ignorance about what anti-semitism is.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/trump-and-harsh-truth-exposed-midterms/575128/

    Beinart, by the way, received torrents of anti-semitic abuse and death threats in the wake of Trump's election.

    Not once have I heard Trump condemn anything like that or the torrent of anti-semitism that has been unleashed by his presidency in anything other than mealy mouthed weasel words and tones - which only emboldens the anti-semites and Nazis even more.


  • #8314
    hill16bhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I've said it before: Trump makes it easy for people to justify their support for him by contradicting himself constantly, often in the same sentence. All his supporters have to do is quote him when he says the things they want to hear, and ignore him when he says the things they don't.

    Obviously this takes a pretty incredible act of self-deception, but if his supporters had a problem with deception they wouldn't be his supporters.
    Peter Casey and George Hook have also employed this tactic in this country recently.

    And what you describe is exactly what their online defenders do.


  • #8315
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    If you follow US politics as much as you imply you do, you'll already be well aware of all this.

    The latter part of your post is obvious trolling, and you make no attempt to engage with the content of my previous reply.

    To paraphrase Andrew Gillum, I'm not saying Trump is an anti-semite, I'm just telling you the anti-semites think he's an anti-semite.

    You'd do really well to read Peter Beinart's recent piece below, because, like so many Trump supporters, you display a profound ignorance about what anti-semitism is.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/trump-and-harsh-truth-exposed-midterms/575128/

    Beinart, by the way, received torrents of anti-semitic abuse and death threats in the wake of Trump's election.

    Not once have I heard Trump condemn anything like that or the torrent of anti-semitism that has been unleashed by his presidency in anything other than mealy mouthed weasel words and tones - which only emboldens the anti-semites and Nazis even more.

    so because he's the most agreeable candidate to anti-semites , that makes him an anti-semite . Because they were definitely going to vote democrat......

    the true definition of anti-semitism seems to be anything the JDL or SPLC doesn't like.


  • #8316
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    can I have proof of any of these things highlighted. Also he attacks all journalists, not just jewish ones, was he particularly bad to them ? did he know they were jewish ?

    this is verging on conspiracy theory stuff.

    You won't get any evidence, only generalized sweeping statements against an entire voter base or the latest link to some lefties OP ED, crying racism in a country where President Obama was elected twice.

    When there's actual evidence that the rise of antisemitism isn't purely on the right like in the links I posted above it's totally ignored. Post enough and you'll learn how their playbook goes.


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  • #8317
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,928 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    *Pres Trump calls press enemy of the people*

    *CNN is targeted with pipe bombs*

    *President Trump continues to do it*

    *Journalists get annoyed and ask questions*

    Trump supporters - OMFG - how rude are those journalists!?!?!?!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8318
    hill16bhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    so because he's the most agreeable candidate to anti-semites , that makes him an anti-semite . Because they were definitely going to vote democrat......

    the true definition of anti-semitism seems to be anything the JDL or SPLC doesn't like.
    Explain to me why things like this happen.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-supporters-bombard-jewish-reporter-with-anti-semitic-rhetoric/

    I can't remember any previous Republican presidential candidate having a problem with anti-semitic supporters.

    Ronald Reagan didn't. Neither did Bush Senior or Junior. Or Bob Dole, John McCain or Mitt Romney.

    So, why does Trump have a problem with anti-semitic supporters?

    Have you any ideas, or are you just going to keep on playing dumb and hope one of the cavalry will come in to save you with some sarcastic alt-right type post?

    It's alright, I already know the answer to that question.


  • #8319
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,928 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The sycophantic Graham with yet another capitulation..




    https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/1060271028251869185?s=19

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8320
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    everlast75 wrote: »
    !

    You're right, as an individual we can't criticize activi.. I mean journalists. What's your view on Sean Hannity?

    I know it might be hard for you to process, but being on board with Trump's media rhetoric is not mutually inclusive with criticizing certain journalists.


  • #8321
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,407 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    You won't get any evidence, only generalized sweeping statements against an entire voter base or the latest link to some lefties OP ED, crying racism in a country where President Obama was elected twice.

    When there's actual evidence that the rise of antisemitism isn't purely on the right like in the links I posted above it's totally ignored. Post enough and you'll learn how their playbook goes.
    This is one of the kinds of election attack ads being run after the Pittsburgh shooting. You don't have to look hard to find more.



    ZZIEADQ3MNGEZNPCI532Z4JZXA.jpg


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  • #8322
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    everlast75 wrote: »
    *Pres Trump calls press enemy of the people*

    *CNN is targeted with pipe bombs*

    *President Trump continues to do it*

    *Journalists get annoyed and ask questions*

    Trump supporters - OMFG - how rude are those journalists!?!?!?!

    You missed the one where they say that Bernie Sanders made similar comments about wall street.


  • #8323
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    You'd do really well to read Peter Beinart's recent piece below, because, like so many Trump supporters, you display a profound ignorance about what anti-semitism is.

    The first paragraph of that excellent article is pretty chilling: It doesnt bode well for the future of the US.
    The two Americas drift further apart. Republicans expanded their majority in the Senate by cleaning out Democrats in states that voted for Donald Trump. Democrats won the House by cleaning out Republicans in districts that voted for Hillary Clinton. In the next Congress, Democrats will be even more liberal. Republicans will be even more conservative. Most of the members of Congress who expressed any ambivalence about Trump will be gone.


  • #8324
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,928 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    You're right, as an individual we can't criticize activi.. I mean journalists. What's your view on Sean Hannity?

    I know it might be hard for you to process, but being on board with Trump's media rhetoric is not mutually inclusive with criticizing certain journalists.

    1. My opinion on Hannity is that he is a dangerous agitator, a hypocrite and a souless salesman who is happy to linehis own pockets without a thought for the danger that he is doing to the United States

    2. What's your point?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8325
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    This is one of the kinds of election attack ads being run after the Pittsburgh shooting. You don't have to look hard to find more.

    If the ads were sent out about Jewish candidates only I obviously condemn them.

    If you noted what I've said, I haven't said that antisemitism doesn't exist on the right, of course it does. I'm not inane enough to suggest that it doesn't, my point is only that all forms of antisemitism should be called out, right or left. It's not as black and white as people try to portray it and in my opinion parts of the progressive movement and Democratic party have aligned themselves with people who encourage it - you can say the same thing about the Republican party which is backed up by the image you posted.


  • #8326
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    everlast75 wrote: »
    What's your point?

    I'll try to spell it out.

    Criticizing a shill like Acosta doesn't automatically mean I agree with Trump's rhetoric towards the press, the same way you criticizing Hannity doesn't. I've been criticizing the media long before Trump was elected President.


  • #8327
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    kilns wrote: »
    Like how can states like Rhode Island, Alaska, Montana, and Hawaii have the same amount of senators as New York or California, its crazy really

    They are fifty separate but equal states.
    https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Constitution_Senate.htm

    To do otherwise is like saying, at the state level, that because Joe earns more or is better educated than James, Joe's vote should count for more"

    As the above link observes, the House reflects the population differences. It is a good compromise for the federal nature of the US.


  • #8328
    hill16bhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    26000 Elephants wrote: »
    The first paragraph of that excellent article is pretty chilling: It doesnt bode well for the future of the US.

    Sorry, re anti-semitism, it was actually this article I meant to post in my previous reply, though I do recommend reading any of Beinart's articles.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/anti-semitism-inherent-trumps-nativism/574672/


  • #8329
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,407 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    If the ads were sent out about Jewish candidates only I obviously condemn them.

    If you noted what I've said, I haven't said that antisemitism doesn't exist on the right, of course it does. I'm not inane enough to suggest that it doesn't, my point is only that all forms of antisemitism should be called out, right or left. It's not as black and white as people try to portray it and in my opinion parts of the progressive movement and Democratic party have aligned themselves with people who encourage it - you can likely say the same thing about the Republican party which is backed up by the image you posted.
    I just wanted to reply to your assertion that no-one provides any evidence. There's a whole WaPo article devoted to the subject with another half dozen or so similarly framed ads targeting Jewish candidates. The same anti-semitic trope used in all of them.

    And you're correct. There is a similar anti-semitic vein running through the UK labour party and the defence is usually a pathetic attempt to call it 'anti-zionism' and then as being only against Israeli government policy when cornered. But it's exactly the same. The tropes are the same. The language is the same.


  • #8330
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,928 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    I'll try to spell it out.

    Criticizing a shill like Acosta doesn't automatically mean I agree with Trump's rhetoric towards the press, the same way you criticizing Hannity doesn't. I've been criticizing the media long before Trump was elected President.

    When your criticism extends fully to as and when he acts inappropriately, I'll check back in with you.

    In the meantime, when you cherry pick what you object to, and defend him otherwise, I'll view you as an apologist and treat your posts accordingly

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8331
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,688 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    I think it's clearly not. Fox "News" Hannity on stage with Trump at a rally? Polling stations in gated communities refusing entry to people. Black people being purged from ballots. Native Americans being refused votes. Polling machine "errors". Missing machines. Closed polling stations in poor areas. American elections are just theatre.

    yet given all of that why in the UN not overseeing them like they would in any other questionable country?


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  • #8332
    hill16bhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    You tried to shame me a hate speech enabler and racist because I don't agree with everything you say politically. That's childlike. If I want a have similar level of engagement in the future I'll just get my laser pen and have my cat chase it for a while.

    The general impression I get from your posts here is that the bolded part above is a fair description of you.


  • #8333
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    everlast75 wrote: »
    When your criticism extends fully to as and when he acts inappropriately, I'll check back in with you.

    In the meantime, when you cherry pick what you object to, and defend him otherwise, I'll view you as an apologist and treat your posts accordingly

    You tried to shame me a hate speech enabler and racist because I don't agree with everything you say politically. That's childlike. If I want to have a similar level of engagement in the future I'll just get my laser pen and have my cat chase it for a while.


  • #8334
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    This is one of the kinds of election attack ads being run after the Pittsburgh shooting. You don't have to look hard to find more.



    ZZIEADQ3MNGEZNPCI532Z4JZXA.jpg

    Are you just saying that nobody can criticise somebody jewish in economic terms because of the stereotype ?


  • #8335
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,928 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    You tried to shame me a hate speech enabler and racist because I don't agree with everything you say. That's childlike. If I want a have similar level of engagement in the future I'll just get my laser pen and have my cat chase it for a while.

    It's funny. I don't feel like you're trying to shame me. Quite telling that you on the other hand feel that way.

    And I never called you any of those things.

    The fact that you interpreted my posts as such speaks volumes, and even more so, of what you think of Trump for that matter

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8336
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    Was there any actual evidence of voter suppression in the mid terms? Besides some machines failing in Georgia, I haven't come across much.

    There's plenty of videos of illegals being told they can vote in Texas, or there any such videos showing suppression?

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1060225813168246784


  • #8337
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    everlast75 wrote: »
    It's funny. I don't feel like you're trying to shame me. Quite telling that you on the other hand feel that way.

    And I never called you any of those things.

    The fact that you interpreted my posts as such speaks volumes, and even more so, of what you think of Trump for that matter

    Keep posting ridiculous slander like this, see how far it gets you. I'm merely speaking to you in the manner that you do to others who disagree. It's not pleasant, but it is what it is. Goodnight sir.
    I'll engage with you when you answer the question of whether you condemn the racist rhetoric of Trump and if not, why not. I've asked you at least twice.

    Until then, your viewpoint is contaminated by an implicit acceptance of racism and hate speech.


  • #8338
    hill16bhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Are you just saying that nobody can criticise somebody jewish in economic terms because of the stereotype ?
    I suppose next you'll be trying to tell us that what Oliver J. Flanagan said about Jews in the Dail in 1943 was "praise", or something.


  • #8339
    hill16bhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Was there any actual evidence of voter suppression in the mid terms? Besides some machines failing in Georgia, I haven't come across much.

    There's plenty of videos of illegals being told they can vote in Texas, or there any such videos showing suppression?

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1060225813168246784
    In future you might want to check that your sources aren't proven peddlers of made up nonsense, because that's exactly what Project Veritas are.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwing-group-beloved-by-trump

    Maybe try Jacob Wohl next time, eh?


  • #8340
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    I suppose next you'll be trying to tell us that what Oliver J. Flanagan said about Jews in the Dail in 1943 was "praise", or something.

    Can you tell me any time anybody non jewish or anybody on the right has critisized a jew over something money related and it hasnt been anti Semitic or are you just not allowed do that ?


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  • #8341
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭eire4


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Was there any actual evidence of voter suppression in the mid terms? Besides some machines failing in Georgia, I haven't come across much.

    There's plenty of videos of illegals being told they can vote in Texas, or there any such videos showing suppression?

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1060225813168246784

    Voter suppression takes place before the elections its about Republicans kicking voters off the register of voters that they feel are not likely to vote Republican ie minorities so they are not eligible to vote.

    There was plenty of evidence of that Brian Kemp running for Georgia governor as an example since you mention Georgia was at it big time before the election when he refused to recuse himself from his current secretary of state role and where he engaged in large scale voter suppression before the elections.

    O and posting that link from James O'Keefe it would be charitable to say he is about as reliable as a source of truth as the president is.


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