Some Lithuanians in Ireland & criminality

06-11-2018 07:21PM #1

Lithuania is a very small and beautiful country, clean and orderly, a lovely place to visit. The old town of Kaunas has a pair of historic telephone boxes that wouldn't last two minutes in Dublin as they'd be vandalised here. Everything seems to be respected there, and even the sole homeless man I saw was very neat in his habits, carting all his belongings around in a tidy suitcase. When visiting it is hard to imagine how this country in particular, and one of its very small size, can export such a disproportionately large number of people who appear in the annals of criminality in our country, particularly for murders. All countries have their criminality, mafias, gangsters, but why does Lithuania appear to have such a high number? Is it that our own well-known gangsters have made especially strong links with theirs?

kneemos · 06-11-2018 07:29PM

No doubt you have the statistics?

RobbingBandit · 06-11-2018 07:32PM

No screening on any migrants to our fine nation, never had it never will.

humberklog · 06-11-2018 07:42PM

kneemos wrote: »

No doubt you have the statistics?

Google Lithuanian gang ireland and draw a few graphs.

kneemos · 06-11-2018 07:50PM

humberklog wrote: »

Google Lithuanian gang ireland and draw a few graphs.

Lots of talk about "a gang". Don't see anything about Lithuanians being particularly lawless as a race.

The Crowman · 06-11-2018 07:52PM

kneemos wrote: »

No doubt you have the statistics?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-with-double-murder-of-lithuanian-mother-and-daughter-29381115.html

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ruthless-lithuanian-gang-now-controls-corks-heroin-market-865724.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/convicted-killer-raped-woman-as-fiveyearold-son-slept-in-next-room-37336221.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/men-tried-to-sell-woman-as-sex-slave-court-told-1.997312

Those are just a sample.

humberklog · 06-11-2018 07:55PM

kneemos wrote: »

Lots of talk about "a gang". Don't see anything about Lithuanians being particularly lawless as a race.

Yeah I don't see much about the Lithuanian race either...my bad.

But boys oh boys there is one large ferocious Lithuanian gang operating in Ireland at the moment. Acid attack on a Garda and stalking his children outside of a school.

spurious · 06-11-2018 07:55PM

Drink. Too much drink.

Fr_Dougal · 06-11-2018 07:56PM

The Lithuanian’s I’ve met have been decent and hardworking. Can’t really say I’ve had the same experience with Latvians.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-11-2018 07:57PM

kneemos wrote: »

Lots of talk about "a gang". Don't see anything about Lithuanians being particularly lawless as a race.

He said they weren’t.

enricoh · 06-11-2018 08:23PM

2 murders of Lithuanians on rte news today.
One tall fella in tralee, and one young one missing presumed murdered in dundalk.

A lot of high end bmws, audis n mercedes stolen near me n apparently the majority head that direction.
Prison here would be childs play compared to over there if they did get nabbed.

somesoldiers · 06-11-2018 08:33PM

I was in Vilnius this time last year for 2 weeks with work, lovely city, e2.50 a pint, didn’t met any gangsters, I pass by far worse on my walk to Docklands station in the evenings

somesoldiers · 06-11-2018 08:35PM

I was in Vilnius this time last year for 2 weeks with work, lovely city, e2.50 a pint, didn’t meet any gangsters, I pass by far worse on my walk from a To Docklands station in the evenings

06-11-2018 08:48PM

The fact that Lithuanians murder “their own” isn’t a great thing. They have highest murder rate in Europe, although it is still a very safe country to visit. One notable thing was that the plane full of Lithuanians landing in Kaunas had no rubbish left behind, instead I witnessed one after the other empty their pockets into the rubbish bin places at entry door to arrivals. The orderliness of the country inspired such confidence that I was even contemplating major surgery there to save cost. Lithuanians respondimmediately and thoroughly to enquiries I made, and when there I couldn’t place in my mind an association of lawlessness with that country. It has one of Europe’s highest sand dunes in a well kept National Park, and has an ancient tradition of “wild” beekeeping, and a very old language.

mynamejeff · 06-11-2018 09:14PM

I know quite a few Lithuanians and like them very much and they are generally well qualified hard working decent people if not over friendly

Ive been to Vilnius and found it the same as the OP , clean organised and fairly safe to walk around in.

but a lot of what they call " marossa " came to Ireland during the boom years , you would call them gobniks or scrotes.

they are usually ethnic Russians uneducated and are in the main the ones who get into trouble here.

There is also the fact that even the most law abiding easterner has a healthy post soviet distrust for state authorities

pgj2015 · 06-11-2018 09:19PM

they tend to drink heavily at house parties, and don't do their drinking in pubs as much as Irish people do, the result is if a fight breaks out, there are kitchen knives in these houses, that is why they are involved in a lot of stabbing deaths . the same fights can break out in pubs involving Irish people but when they do, there is not any knives to get hold of.

most of them are nice people in my experience.

AllForIt · 06-11-2018 09:20PM

There is definatly a disproportionate high amount of crime , very serious crime like murder etc comitted by forigners.Take that savage black woman who murdered a man just this week.

06-11-2018 10:37PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

they tend to drink heavily at house parties, and don't do their drinking in pubs as much as Irish people do, the result is if a fight breaks out, there are kitchen knives in these houses, that is why they are involved in a lot of stabbing deaths . the same fights can break out in pubs involving Irish people but when they do, there is not any knives to get hold of.

most of them are nice people in my experience.

I remember a relative of mine was living next door to a house occupied by Lithuanians. One night such a party occurred with some disturbance and ambulances arrived at the house to take victims away. Relative thought drugs probably involved here. Thankfully nobody was seriously hurt. A man of the household apologised to my relative for the disturbance and he and others quickly putting right any damage done. They ordinarily kept Garden etc in good order, mowing lawn, trimming hedge. It seems unintended “explosions” take place in these situations. There are serious cases of partner abuse too.
Interestingly house prices are very much on the rise in Lithuania, with some very nice and tasteful properties on the market.

corner of hells · 06-11-2018 10:55PM

AllForIt wrote: »

There is definatly a disproportionate high amount of crime , very serious crime like murder etc comitted by forigners.Take that savage black woman who murdered a man just this week.

There's clearly something seriously wrong with that woman , she's to have a psychiatric evaluation in custody.Thats unusual for a woman to behave so viciously .

riemann · 06-11-2018 11:01PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

they tend to drink heavily at house parties, and don't do their drinking in pubs as much as Irish people do, the result is if a fight breaks out, there are kitchen knives in these houses, that is why they are involved in a lot of stabbing deaths . the same fights can break out in pubs involving Irish people but when they do, there is not any knives to get hold of.

most of them are nice people in my experience.

Amazing insight.

Have you completed your PhD in sociology yet?

Gatling · 06-11-2018 11:06PM

Piss poor immigration control and the total inability to remove serious offenders from the state is another issue we need to look at ,

mammajamma · 06-11-2018 11:23PM

Gatling wrote: »

Piss poor immigration control and the total inability to remove serious offenders from the state is another issue we need to look at ,

The same old question that apparently dare not be asked: what is Ireland, and Irish people, gaining from this immigration?

At best, it seems great for immigrants (not for us), at worst there are literally murderers allowed to Swan on in.

You have immigrant "areas" now. Saw the poor bloke that died sleeping rough on the streets last night on the news. One of the obvious questions is why wasn't this person able to get a place to live when there are entire families being housed from foreign countries.

Then it turns out the poor bloke was polish! What was he doing here?

What kind of shytshow are we pretending to run as a country?

spurious · 06-11-2018 11:29PM

I get the impression this thread (and others along the same lines) is mainly made up of the same person talking to themselves.

mammajamma · 06-11-2018 11:29PM

And another gem that I know of is the "trick" of getting 2 social houses by pretending to be a separated family. Every case I've come across has involved eastern Europeans so far.

Move over here, wrangle a free house. "separate" for long enough, get another.

Can you think of many other places where you can talk your way into free houses worth hundreds of thousands of euro?

To be clear, if thing were reversed I'm sure irish people would be over in their droves to country "x" to hoover it up too. So the blame lies at our feet for allowing it to happen at all.

06-11-2018 11:40PM

Lithuania? Isn't that what Sylveste put on his chest, big chest, row of 40 medals on his chest?

Roger Hassenforder · 06-11-2018 11:43PM

Last job worked with a bunch of Lithuanians
Hard working and sound.

mea_k · 06-11-2018 11:45PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The Lithuanian’s I’ve met have been decent and hardworking. Can’t really say I’ve had the same experience with Latvians.

Do tell. I'm very interested in the subject. Have you any statistic or something? I'm just beeing nosey really.

listermint · 06-11-2018 11:45PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Last job worked with a bunch of Lithuanians
Hard working and sound.

It also rolls off the tongue in a special Dublinese way.

listermint · 06-11-2018 11:46PM

Lit

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fryup · 06-11-2018 11:58PM

lithunian women are gorgeous (well the ones i've met)

ShadowHearth · 07-11-2018 12:20AM

I am lithuanian, live here for 13 years and work my ass off to the point where I barely see my misses and daughter.
Thing is, that it is true, Lithuanian gangs are brutal, and in the last 10 years a lot of them move to places like London and Dublin. Started with simple "bullying" of fellow countrymen and now they are a very big force. As much as Irish don't like it, trust me, Lithuanians are not fond of it too.
I dont want to talk much on public forum about this, but let me say this: I would not live in Dublin as Lithuanian and if I would hear someone talking Lithuanian I would hide the fact I am one just to be on a safe side.

As for Lithuanians themselves. Well most people who meet me say, that at this point I am more Irish then Lithuanian. They are right though, I lived here for so long, my misses is Irish, daughter too ( I did not make it, just took over lease and payments :pac: ), I love going to pubs, love Irish stand up comedians and we go to gigs to see them, if not work, I would barely talk Lithuanian language, people who meet me say that I have strong Cork accent, irony is I live in limerick for 3+ years now!
One thing I can say about Lithuanians is that most of them integrate very damn well in Ireland. Yeah, there are still some who will only be around their own community, but majority of Lithuanians I know pretty much live their lifes as Irish person just with different passport.

Some Lithuanians in Ireland & criminality

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