Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

04-11-2018 12:37AM

BBFAN wrote: »

As I've said I agree with what he said about travellers but I still don't understand why that made people vote for him. What difference do they actually think it's going to make??

As has been said on here multiple times, for many it was a protest vote. They felt that a) MDH had it in the bag anyway and it wouldn't affect the outcome so they could safely rise up b) they maybe felt the other candidates were a bit liberal with the truth and Casey wasn't and finally c) the disgrace that was the Taoiseach of the day attempting to influence voters. A variety of reasons really.

BBFAN wrote: »

Question for you. Do you really think he gives 2 fcuks about he rural family who are terrorised or the people who get up in the morning for work? Do you really think that he will do anything to help the plight of these people?

I'd say 98% of people give plenty of fcuks about families being terrorised, surely to god that's a given?

BBFAN wrote: »

If it's simply to make your voice heard it's a really childish approach to an election in my view.

Em, that's kinda the whole point of having an election and having a vote, to have your voice legitimately heard.

04-11-2018 12:38AM

shady acres wrote: »

lol you must be new here

Join date: Nov 2018

shady acres · 04-11-2018 12:39AM

BBFAN wrote: »

I look forward to your reply.

why did ryan tubridy cross the road
to get his half million quid from the working families of ireland

shady acres · 04-11-2018 12:40AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Join date: Nov 2018

said the actress to the bishop

Atlantic Dawn · 04-11-2018 12:41AM

tretorn wrote: »

I cant tell you how Ms Cash is walking around and helping her self to clothes without paying for them, its very lax of Penneys security staff to let anyone walk out the door with three hundred euros worth of clothes but there you go.
It would appear that maybe travellers who commit more serious crimes than relieving stores of hundreds of euros worth of clothes are in prison. I cant help you anymore. Maybe if you put in a freedom of information request you can find out the proportion of travellers who are in jail and what they are there for.

Can one of these new snowflakised wanker media companies do a 'fact check' on the logistics to rob €300 worth of goods from Penneys?

04-11-2018 12:42AM

tretorn wrote: »

If the people living in leafy Foxrock had roving traveller gangs breaking down their doors at 2 AM in the morning you can bet your life Leo would take action.

He can put his money where his mouth is now and instruct Fine Gael TDS to stop blocking the local authority from building a halting site at Mount Anville. There are proposals to build a halting site on the John of Gods land in Stillorgan and Leo can push for progress on that too. RTE have sold a big parcel of land in Donnybrook and it would make an ideal location fora halting site, a nicer place to live you wouldnt find in a month of Sundays.

There is plenty of room in the Phoenix Park for a couple of ten bay halting sites and the advantage of this would be plenty of room for travellers horses. They could be put either adjoining Michael Ds property or else up beside Farmleigh. Isnt Michael D on record as saying he wouldnt have a problem with a halting site, well there you go Michael.

Leo can bring the visiting dignitaries to be wined and dined at our expense up in Farmleigh and I am sure the French and German and Italians politicans would love a tour of the ethic minorities ethnic halting sites, they just better be careful they arent bitten by dogs, the ethnic minority have a bad reputation with animal welfare and I doubt if there are licences for the multitude of dogs they have.

Yet, off the top of my head the fire on a halting site where 10 Travellers died in 2015 was very close to Foxrock, on Glenamuck Road. There's also a halting site near the junction of Leopardstown Road & Brewery Road. And there's one right on the sea between Blackrock Park & Booterstown Park. It's not true to imply the area is free of such sites.

Moreover, I'm not sure if many taxpayers would think it wise for a government to give a site or homes in an expensive area over to any form of social/Traveller housing when for the same cost far more people could be housed in a cheaper area.

BBFAN · 04-11-2018 12:42AM

Omackeral wrote: »

As has been said on here multiple times, for many it was a protest vote. They felt that a) MDH had it in the bag anyway and it wouldn't affect the outcome so they could safely rise up b) they maybe felt the other candidates were a bit liberal with the truth and Casey wasn't and finally c) the disgrace that was the Taoiseach of the day attempting to influence voters. A variety of reasons really.

I'd say 98% of people give plenty of fcuks about families being terrorised, surely to god that's a given?

Em, that's kinda the whole point of having an election and having a vote, to have your voice legitimately heard.

I would dispute your 98% figure, think you're optimistic there about people's altruistic attitudes. I would argue a quite sizable percentage of people don't care about anyone but themselves.

More so in the case of Peter Casey who doesn't live in Ireland, doesn't pay taxes in Ireland and would have known nothing about the houses in Tipperary except he went to Tipperary Council looking for a nomination.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the protest vote view. Personally I think it's a childish thing to do. I only ever vote for someone I believe in.

steve-collins · 04-11-2018 12:43AM

Casey is a bit of poltical clown. It goes to show how easy it is for someone so ignorant to swing a big amount of votes in a short space of time.

Its how Hotler and Trump got into power even though they where/are politicaly inept.

The real issues of this country is how the banks and past governments etc ****ed us over and got away scott free. Travellers are the least of my worries.

We will still be paying USC and PRD if ypur public service in 20 years time and whos fault is that. That's the real issue thats being ignored by faux outrage at a handfull of travellers who havent moved into a handfull of houses.

Time to wake up Ireland and smell the ****ing
chesnuts.

steve-collins · 04-11-2018 12:43AM

Casey is a bit of poltical clown. It goes to show how easy it is for someone so ignorant to swing a big amount of votes in a short space of time.

Its how Hitler and Trump got into power even though they where/are politicaly inept.

The real issues of this country is how the banks and past governments etc ****ed us over and got away scott free. Travellers are the least of my worries.

We will still be paying USC and PRD if your public service in 20 years time and whos fault is that. That's the real issue thats being ignored by faux outrage at a handfull of travellers who havent moved into a handfull of houses.

Time to wake up Ireland and smell the ****ing
chesnuts.

Blazer · 04-11-2018 12:44AM

BBFAN wrote: »

You see this is it. Lefties get accused of "virtue signalling" cause that's one of the buzz phrases nowadays (as is leftie and liberal) but Casey voters are now saying this was a signal?

Hilarious, as I said.

one sec while I mute your dumbass posts...

ah that's better..now I see === === = == = =
makes more sense to me now.

tayto lover · 04-11-2018 12:45AM

BBFAN wrote: »

You see this is it. Lefties get accused of "virtue signalling" cause that's one of the buzz phrases nowadays (as is leftie and liberal) but Casey voters are now saying this was a signal?

Hilarious, as I said.

Is that actually a reply to that post you quoted?
If it is then it's one of the poorest on this thread.

shady acres · 04-11-2018 12:45AM

somebody should start a new thread

Blazer · 04-11-2018 12:46AM

steve-collins wrote: »

Casey is a bit of poltical clown. It goes to show how easy it is for someone so ignorant to swing a big amount of votes in a short space of time.

Its how Hitler and Trump got into power even though they where/are politicaly inept.

The real issues of this country is how the banks and past governments etc ****ed us over and got away scott free. Travellers are the least of my worries.

We will still be paying USC and PRD if your public service in 20 years time and whos fault is that. That's the real issue thats being ignored by faux outrage at a handfull of travellers who havent moved into a handfull of houses.

Time to wake up Ireland and smell the ****ing
chesnuts.

and don't forget the 20 billion or so on welfare. Which is increasing every year. I suppose we just ignore that too?

04-11-2018 12:46AM

BBFAN wrote: »

Also O'Mackeral, I have no problem with people having an issue with travellers. Personally I've never had any bad experience with them and a few good ones but I do know that some of them are complete assholes.

But it is completely out of proportion with real life here on boards. Moderators have actually had to put a stop to threads about travellers because there were so many of them.

It's an obsession, and not a healthy one. It's almost as if they're the only group left that people can get away with generalising about and discriminating against so they go mental on it.

Not aiming that at you by the way because I genuinely don't believe you feel that way.

The thing is, when you talk proportions you're about to do a disservice to Travellers. 50% of inmates in Castlerea Prison are Travellers or settled Travellers. They make up a very very disproportionate slice of the prison population overvall vs the general population.

The idea that they're feared and distrusted by a lot of people didn't conjure up from nowhere. They've a bad reputation. Why is that?

I've said before on here that I would treat anyone man,woman or child with the utmost respect until they give me a reason not to. That's regardless of colour, creed or faith. In fact, I work with Travellers every day that I clock in to work, for 12 hours a day. I have some fantastic craic with Travellers and some of them are amongst the most funny and good natured fellas I encounter. On a personal level, I enjoy their company tbh. However, it's a jail I work in and they aren't there via special invite.

04-11-2018 12:49AM

BBFAN wrote: »

It's an obsession, and not a healthy one. It's almost as if they're the only group left that people can get away with generalising about and discriminating against so they go mental on it.

I must point out I do agree with this in a sense. A lot of people don't seem to care if you call them knackers and other derogatory names and I absolutely fcuking despise that. I've said as much on here for years. I hate it. There's no need for it.

Wheeliebin30 · 04-11-2018 12:49AM

steve-collins wrote: »

Casey is a bit of poltical clown. It goes to show how easy it is for someone so ignorant to swing a big amount of votes in a short space of time.

Its how Hitler and Trump got into power even though they where/are politicaly inept.

The real issues of this country is how the banks and past governments etc ****ed us over and got away scott free. Travellers are the least of my worries.

We will still be paying USC and PRD if your public service in 20 years time and whos fault is that. That's the real issue thats being ignored by faux outrage at a handfull of travellers who havent moved into a handfull of houses.

Time to wake up Ireland and smell the ****ing
chesnuts.

Travelers are the least of your worries??

Well for some.

Wrapped up in your little nest sheltered from the burglaries, theft, violence etc

BBFAN · 04-11-2018 12:51AM

Omackeral wrote: »

The thing is, when you talk proportions you're about to do a disservice to Travellers. 50% of inmates in Castlerea Prison are Travellers or settled Travellers. They make up a very very disproportionate slice of the prison population overvall vs the general population.

The idea that they're feared and distrusted by a lot of people didn't conjure up from nowhere. They've a bad reputation. Why is that?

I've said before on here that I would treat anyone man,woman or child with the utmost respect until they give me a reason not to. That's regardless of colour, creed or faith. In fact, I work with Travellers every day that I clock in to work, for 12 hours a day. I have some fantastic craic with Travellers and some of them are amongst the most funny and good natured fellas I encounter. On a personal level, I enjoy their company tbh. However, it's a jail I work in and they aren't there via special invite.

Not sure where this is coming from? I'm not arguing the point about travellers. I agree with most people here that a huge amount of them are pricks.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what Peter Casey has to do with any of that except for he went on a rant about it?

shady acres · 04-11-2018 12:53AM

did Jennifer maquire respond to petr casey calling her a liar on twitter

04-11-2018 12:54AM

BBFAN wrote: »

I look forward to your reply.

It's actually bloody nice to have a decent civilised conversation with someone who you might not see eye to eye with. Thank you.

BBFAN · 04-11-2018 12:54AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Travelers are the least of your worries??

Well for some.

Wrapped up in your little nest sheltered from the burglaries, theft, violence etc

You can't get your head around people having larger worries than that?

Like cancer, family strife, making a living, keeping a roof over there heads, dealing with addictions, mental illness. I could go on and on?

If your largest worry in life is travellers I would suggest that you live a sheltered existence.

shady acres · 04-11-2018 12:55AM

Omackeral wrote: »

I must point out I do agree with this in a sense. A lot of people don't seem to care if you call them knackers and other derogatory names and I absolutely fcuking despise that. I've said as much on here for years. I hate it. There's no need for it.

well said and i would say you are speaking for 99.99% of the posters here when you say that

BBFAN · 04-11-2018 12:58AM

Omackeral wrote: »

It's actually bloody nice to have a decent civilised conversation with someone who you might not see eye to eye with. Thank you.

It is pleasant, I've felt torn for weeks over this because of this because I do agree with Casey said but yet I have the feeling he is an unstable person who could go off on one about any other sector of society at any minute so just couldn't condone his behaviour.

He just seems like a loose cannon to me.

For example, you say you voted to repeal the 8th. What if he turned around tomorrow and said abortion was murder. What do you do then? Say "ah yeah but he's right about the travellers".

It's a Trumpesque situation for me. I agree with some of Trumps statement also but that doesn't block me from seeing he's a mental ego maniac.

04-11-2018 01:00AM

BBFAN wrote: »

I would dispute your 98% figure, think you're optimistic there about people's altruistic attitudes. I would argue a quite sizable percentage of people don't care about anyone but themselves.

I'd like to think that the majority of people are decent enough. I hope so anyway. There are a lot of sh*ts in the world too though, you're right.

BBFAN wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree on the protest vote view. Personally I think it's a childish thing to do. I only ever vote for someone I believe in.

I think people literally believed him and that made a difference. For me anyway, I was probably going to abstain (to my shame) as nobody really peaked my interest and I would've been happy and content to ''let'' MDH win. I don't mind him. I like him just fine actually. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when all 5 of the candidates said they'd have no issue with a halting site next to their property. I saw that as just a bare-faced lie on national TV. It rubbed me up the wrong way. Then the media hounding of Peter Casey and Leo Varadkar's comments were the icing on the cake. So for me, it was a protest vote and one that I'm proud to have cast. I'm still totally happy with Mr Higgins as our President though.

DChancer · 04-11-2018 01:02AM

shady acres wrote: »

mynamejeff wrote: »

good come back

you sir are a master debater lol

see you in the next thread you try to derail

say hello to the bots for me now :P

THERE WON'T BE A NEXT THREAD THE CAsey campaign is running out of steam
it's over

Thanks be to jazus
Casey is total knob
Sooner he fcuk back to where he from the better

BBFAN · 04-11-2018 01:05AM

Omackeral wrote: »

I'd like to think that the majority of people are decent enough. I hope so anyway. There are a lot of sh*ts in the world too though, you're right.

I think people literally believed him and that made a difference. For me anyway, I was probably going to abstain (to my shame) as nobody really peaked my interest and I would've been happy and content to ''let'' MDH win. I don't mind him. I like him just fine actually. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when all 5 of the candidates said they'd have no issue with a halting site next to their property. I saw that as just a bare-faced lie on national TV. It rubbed me up the wrong way. Then the media hounding of Peter Casey and Leo Varadkar's comments were the icing on the cake. So for me, it was a protest vote and one that I'm proud to have cast. I'm still totally happy with Mr Higgins as our President though.

I agree, they all told outright lies, it's maddening at times.

I also thought Miggedly was very arrogant in the campaign in refusing to take part in some debates.

However, I'm the same, happy enough he's the president. At the end of the day it's a ceremonial role and he's a good orator and that's basically what's needed in a president.

Atlantic Dawn · 04-11-2018 01:06AM

shady acres wrote: »

did Jennifer maquire respond to petr casey calling her a liar on twitter

Not yet.

Is she an RTE employee or contractor (for tax reasons), how would RTE discipline her if she was talking bollix?

Wheeliebin30 · 04-11-2018 01:08AM

BBFAN wrote: »

You can't get your head around people having larger worries than that?

Like cancer, family strife, making a living, keeping a roof over there heads, dealing with addictions, mental illness. I could go on and on?

If your largest worry in life is travellers I would suggest that you live a sheltered existence.

So I can’t have an opinion because I don’t have cancer or a drug addiction?????

What are you rambling on about???

Redneck Culchie · 04-11-2018 01:09AM

Direct Provision is a load of ****e topic anyway. Filled with fraudster asylum seekers who have already been rejected but we haven't the balls to deport them so they exhaust the appeal process. WTF do they want complete open borders even more than we already have?

04-11-2018 01:09AM

shady acres wrote: »

well said and i would say you are speaking for 99.99% of the posters here when you say that

I honestly wouldn't. There's plenty of people who hate them outright. Just despise them all and have the children written off before they can even crawl. They think they're all good for nothing scrotes. That's just not true. Then you have those labeling all Casey voters as dim unintelligent folks too. There are shades of grey in most aspects of life but some people don't see that or don't want to see it.

Silentcorner · 04-11-2018 01:09AM

BBFAN wrote: »

It is pleasant, I've felt torn for weeks over this because of this because I do agree with Casey said but yet I have the feeling he is an unstable person who could go off on one about any other sector of society at any minute so just couldn't condone his behaviour.

He just seems like a loose cannon to me.

For example, you say you voted to repeal the 8th. What if he turned around tomorrow and said abortion was murder. What do you do then? Say "ah yeah but he's right about the travellers".

It's a Trumpesque situation for me. I agree with some of Trumps statement also but that doesn't block me from seeing he's a mental ego maniac.

The only thing Trump has in common with Casey is that they are both from outside the establishment.

We were never meant to vote for people like this because they are not compromised by the bevy of lobby/interest groups that dilute our democracy, they are like fish out of water, they look and sound awful because, like I mentioned they are not of the world of politics or media.

Media then go for the jugular and keep on message, but when a State and its media are so compromised, so out of step with ordinary people (who's views/concerns are not being mentioned/addressed by either media or politicians) then people like Casey or Trump step into to vacuum.

The US has had, since 1988, Bush Senior, Clinton A for two terms, Bush Junior for 8 years, Obama for 8 years (who was fairly useless for the most part as polished as he was) and were looking at Clinton B for 4/8 years....you can imagine how compromised the Clintons must be at this stage.

Trump has never been elected, therefore not beholden to the lobbyists, which is what makes him dangerous.

Casey is a much more benign version, we don't know a whole lot to date it is happened so quick.

Middle class Ireland is clearly not as content as our media like to think, I just hope that the politicians take heed of the warning shot that was sent last week...nothing yet as happened to suggest they have, that is what is worrying!

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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