Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 07:58PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

He was correct on procedure though. A direction is required to remove people camped on private land. The lack of consent has to be established.

That is not what he/she came up short on. They tried to make it look as if there was special provision for travellers in the law.
Something Casey has been trying to do as well. There isn't.

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 07:59PM

listermint wrote: »

Solutions to what specifically.

The only thing I've raised is that Casey was selling people air and that if they have problems with how he countries run then its better and more impactful to discuss with councillors and TDs.

So yeah I give solutions.

Over to you . And please not more rethoric we've enough if that.

Ah no worries.

Off you go.

Well on here it seems to be ok to rant and say it out loud, but not so sure about our media though.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 07:59PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

How many previous convictions has she now?

Lovely person I am sure with total respect for those who are paying her way.

No idea and what relevance is her convictions?

tretorn · 03-11-2018 08:00PM

There is special provision in housing legislation for travellers.

some of us are more deserving than others.

Potential-Monke · 03-11-2018 08:01PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I was, as it happens, and that is why I, not a BA in Policing, know that there are no special provisions under the legislation for travellers.

And in your experience, when the Gardai arrived along and told them to move, did they up and leave? Was there any paperwork required? I did agree with you, there are no special provisions, but the process is not the same for travellers as it is for non-travellers, simply because non-travellers will acknowledge that they're illegally camped and move on. Travellers won't. Again, in my experience.

The best and most common excuse to not moving on was 'Where will we go?' - I don't know, anywhere you have permission maybe? Somewhere you've paid for?

And yes, I made a mistake on my recollection of a single bit of law from the thousands of bits of legislation out there. Got the act right though. Not bad for someone who has tried their best to leave that life behind. Still, I reckon i've more experience of enacting the legislation than you have. Law may be written in black and white, but the implementation of it is not black and white, as you seem to think it is.

tretorn wrote: »

There is special provision in housing legislation for travellers.

some of us are more deserving than others.

The Housing (Traveller Accommodation) Act 1998 requires each local authority, following a consultation process, to prepare, adopt and implement 5 year rolling accommodation programmes to meet the existing and projected accommodation needs of Travellers in their areas.

No special treatment, and they have their own housing act....

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 08:03PM

tretorn wrote: »

There is special provision in housing legislation for travellers.

some of us are more deserving than others.

And there have been long before SEMS.

Many people in society are entitled to more than I.
I want society to look after the less well of, the disabled and the marginalised, while recognising that there are some who will take advantage of that.

listermint · 03-11-2018 08:03PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ah no worries.

Off you go.

Well on here it seems to be ok to rant and say it out loud, but not so sure about our media though.

In fairness having lived in Ireland my entire life our media aren't short of headline grabbing dole welfare scrounge articles.

I'm actually not sure where this recent notion is that the media cosy up to these groups because that's not true.

I suspect it's an overflow from a certain new Yorkers tweets which has no real reflection of reality.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:03PM

tretorn wrote: »

I cant tell you how Ms Cash is walking around and helping her self to clothes without paying for them, its very lax of Penneys security staff to let anyone walk out the door with three hundred euros worth of clothes but there you go.
It would appear that maybe travellers who commit more serious crimes than relieving stores of hundreds of euros worth of clothes are in prison. I cant help you anymore. Maybe if you put in a freedom of information request you can find out the proportion of travellers who are in jail and what they are there for.

I cant tell you how Ms Cash is walking around and helping her self to clothes without paying for them, its very lax of Penneys security staff to let anyone walk out the door with three hundred euros worth of clothes but there you go.

She's not the first person to engage in shoplifting - what's your point?

It would appear that maybe travellers who commit more serious crimes than relieving stores of hundreds of euros worth of clothes are in prison.

The same applies to the settled community again what's your point?

Maybe if you put in a freedom of information request you can find out the proportion of travellers who are in jail and what they are there for.

Why would I do that and why would I limit it to the Travelling community?

Redneck Culchie · 03-11-2018 08:03PM

tretorn wrote: »

How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.

He's related to Todd Andrews former director of RTE. He started in RTE age 12.
In Ireland it's not what you know, it's who you know. He certainly is not there for talent as last night showed.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:04PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Homeless my arse.

Hey out and pay your own way in life.

What are you on about?

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 08:04PM

MFPM wrote: »

No idea and what relevance is her convictions?

Ah nothing at all, because the Guards are terrified of them. and their babbies and all the rest of it, get real.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 08:04PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

And in your experience, when the Gardai arrived along and told them to move, did they up and leave? Was there any paperwork required? I did agree with you, there are no special provisions, but the process is not the same for travellers as it is for non-travellers, simply because non-travellers will acknowledge that they're illegally camped and move on. Travellers won't. Again, in my experience.

The best and most common excuse to not moving on was 'Where will we go?' - I don't know, anywhere you have permission maybe? Somewhere you've paid for?

And yes, I made a mistake on my recollection of a single bit of law from the thousands of bits of legislation out there. Got the act right though. Not bad for someone who has tried their best to leave that life behind. Still, I reckon i've more experience of enacting the legislation than you have. Law may be written in black and white, but the implementation of it is not black and white, as you seem to think it is.

...and that is the fault of those who administer the law.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:05PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I have no idea, but I doubt they are occupied right now.

This development just shouts out that Travellers are "OTHER" They decided that by welcoming ethnic status though.

Casey is right, they are Irish and not a different race, but show me a non Traveller person on the housing list that gets room for a horse and stables, and grazing.

It is our taxpayer money. We should demand accountability for this.

Might I suggest you take your head out of your bigoted ar$e and look at the facts of the situation - you're simply aping Casey.

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 08:06PM

Still waiting on Listermint to back up his claim that my posts contain 'bile'. As i said I believe I have 120+ posts now so still easy to find them. Quote away or do I assume you lied?

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 08:06PM

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

He's related to Todd Andrews former director of RTE. He started in RTE age 12.
In Ireland it's not what you know, it's who you know. He certainly is not there for talent as last night showed.

No defender of Tubridy, but who is his 'inside man' in the BBC?

mynamejeff · 03-11-2018 08:07PM

tretorn wrote: »

How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.

"Tubridy's mother is Catherine Andrews,[21] whose father, Todd Andrews, was a prominent associate of Fianna Fáil founder Éamon de Valera and held a number of posts in semi-state companies. A maternal uncle, Niall Andrews, was a TD and MEP, while another maternal uncle, David Andrews, was an Irish Government minister. Two of his first cousins, Barry Andrews and Chris Andrews, have also sat in Dáil Éireann as Fianna Fáil TDs, the former being a Minister of State for Children in the coalition government of Brian Cowen, since then becoming chief executive of aid charity GOAL,[22] while the latter was elected to Dublin City Council as a Sinn Féin member in 2014."

born into it sure , the lucky few who are entitled to huge amounts of public money regardless of talent skill or ability

tretorn · 03-11-2018 08:07PM

But the salary, seriously how can anyone think someone sitting interviewing authors flogging their books in time for the christmas market is worth almost five hundred thousand euros. I know he worked for the BBC for a couple of summers but dont think he lasted too long there so its not as if his talents are in great demand.

Did he actually delete his instagram account today, he must have received some comments he didnt like.

He has done so much now to keep the publicity on Casey, that wont please Leo and his handlers.

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 08:08PM

MFPM wrote: »

Might I suggest you take your head out of your bigoted ar$e and look at the facts of the situation - you're simply aping Casey.

Your reply indicates you don't understand the meaning of bigot/ bigotry.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:08PM

goat2 wrote: »

I am glad P Casey is entering politics, and I can see him getting in on first go, will be good for all

I'm gald that you're glad but I wouldn't hold my breath - he has shown himself to be an incoherent individual with little grasp of politics.

How will it be good for 'all'?

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:09PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your reply indicates you don't understand the meaning of bigot/ bigotry.

Your reply does likewise for you, thanks all the same.

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 08:09PM

MFPM wrote: »

Might I suggest you take your head out of your bigoted ar$e and look at the facts of the situation - you're simply aping Casey.

Are you concerned about my and many others views now.

oK, it is reasonable to be concerned when people revolt and question the raison d'etre.

Klonker · 03-11-2018 08:11PM

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Klonker wrote: »

I'm voting Renua in next General Election as long as they drop the anti abortion and they actually have a candidate in my constituency (Fingal). I can't vote for any of the main parties again.

I voted Independent last time and Renua number 2. Neither got in but nearly 3 years later I am happy with my choice. I won't be taken in by any more lies and ****e from the main parties. My issue with Renua next time would be, they were disorganised last time, they seem to have even less organisation and members at the moment.

I think we may have better options though in the Local and European Elections. More chance for free speaking and less establishment stuff.
The next election though is looking like more FF/FG. Probably why Casey is calling out Fianna Fail and saying he wants them to change.

Yeah I don't believe Renua are the answer but there's no other option, all the other parties are trying to out left wing each other leaving a lot of voters with no where to turn. Countries crying out for a new party, sadly I don't see it happening any time soon. It's actually depressing.

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 08:11PM

MFPM wrote: »

Your reply does likewise for you, thanks all the same.

I'm very tolerant of the opinion of others, as my comments show. Best you grab a dictionary.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 08:13PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Are you concerned about my and many others views now.

oK, it is reasonable to be concerned when people revolt and question the raison d'etre.

Revolt?

:D:D
A failed presidential bid and a 10 min segment on Tubridy. Vive la Révolution!

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 08:14PM

What about the lack of voice for those impacted by Traveller ethnic status stuff?

Those who minimise it have never experienced it. Shoo.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:15PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm very tolerant of the opinion of others, as my comments show. Best you grab a dictionary.

As am I but I'm also happy to point out bigotry when I see it, you seem content to turn a blind eye then again perhaps you don't understand the concept.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:16PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

What about the lack of voice for those impacted by Traveller ethnic status stuff?

Those who minimise it have never experienced it. Shoo.

Who are these marginialsed voices?

tretorn · 03-11-2018 08:17PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Revolt? :D:D
A failed presidential bid and a 10 min segment on Tubridy. Vive la Révolution!

There are plenty of politicans who started off at local resident association level and then progressed through decades of sitting through council meetings dealing with local issues and wouldnt have polled anything like Peter Casey did on entering the presidential election.

He achieved a remarkable result and stole the clothes off Sinn Fein. Mary Lou Mc Donald has some serious thinking to do.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 08:18PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Are you concerned about my and many others views now.

oK, it is reasonable to be concerned when people revolt and question the raison d'etre.

I'm not overly concerned you and others, you represent a tiny and irrelevant minority thankfully.

oK, it is reasonable to be concerned when people revolt and question the raison d'etre

I'm afraid I have no idea what this sentence means. Perhaps you're confusing raison d'être?

tretorn · 03-11-2018 08:18PM

MFPM wrote: »

Who are these marginialsed voices?

Ahem, the marginalised voices galvanised themselves the minute Casey said the word traveller, they arent going anywhere, the Wests awake.

do keep up.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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