Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 06:56PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

That's just it. It's the same legislation, but 9 years of having to do this and that is the internal process, because of the protected status and to avoid allegations of racism by the Gardai.

Can you link to it?

MFPM · 03-11-2018 06:57PM

tretorn wrote: »

The Irish Times and some silly thinktank in Washinton are the only people interested in this nonsense( and you of course, PC numpty that you are.)

We saw this on the Presidential debates, who wouldnt have a problem with travellers setting up camp near them. Without even blushing the Presidential candidate bar Peter Casey said they wouldnt have an issue. Hopefully all this individuals will have a halting site installed in their locality soon.

Same with asking people would they mind their daughter marrying a Muslim, who wouldnt advise their daughter against a move like this. Who wants their daughter to have to dress up like a walking birdcage and have no rights in a Muslim country.

your link is just so nonsensical. Muslims marry Muslims and Jews marry Jews, thats the way the world works.

The Irish Times and some silly thinktank in Washinton are the only people interested in this nonsense( and you of course, PC numpty that you are.)

So the answers weren't to your liking so you dismiss it. If Breitbart published info stating contrary position would you dismiss that too?

We saw this on the Presidential debates, who wouldnt have a problem with travellers setting up camp near them. Without even blushing the Presidential candidate bar Peter Casey said they wouldnt have an issue. Hopefully all this individuals will have a halting site installed in their locality soon.

It's a dreadful question and it shouldn't be asked because it perpetuates the attitude that there is something inherently wrong with all Travellers which is clearly not the case.

Same with asking people would they mind their daughter marrying a Muslim, who wouldnt advise their daughter against a move like this. Who wants their daughter to have to dress up like a walking birdcage and have no rights in a Muslim country.

Not all Muslim women dress up like a 'walking birdcage' as you so eloquently put it but if you bothered your ar$e to educate yourself you'd probably know that. You also seem to have great difficulty in understanding the point of the survey and the figures and crucially that it gives lie to the statements in your post.

Lastly did you mange to work out how Travellers aren't held accountable for crime yet are in jail in high numbers - you seem to ignore that post earlier.

tretorn · 03-11-2018 06:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

nope, just simple good old facts that most people in those countries aren't bigoted toards muslims and jews.

yet. it's irrelevant either way and proves absolutely nothing. out of interest when you refer to "drug crazed unemployed layabout muslims" are you refering to the few who have commited terrorist attacks, or as i suspect, all muslims? because the reality would disprove the latter, and probably parts of the former.

they don't agree with him.

well no, they couldn't really. being in the ira wouldn't guarantee that one was involved in any of the killings.

The drug crazed unemployed layabout Muslims refers only to the Muslims who carried out the attacks. While professing disdain in their racial attitudes towards white people and their drinking of alcohol these hypocrites spent the day in bars drinking and taking drugs. The Muslim youth are over represented in the prison population in France, they live in ghettoes, dont assimilate and then blame French society for the fact that their lives are horrible.

Now, what does this remind me of, hmmmmmmm

mfceiling · 03-11-2018 06:59PM

end of the road wrote: »

it is being proposed that children should learn about traveler culture and history so that people can understand where travelers came from and learn the trials and tribulations of this ethnic minority throughout history.

I'll be honest here. I have no interest in my kids being taught that it's common for male travellers to fight bare fisted on back roads to sort out family disputes.
I don't feel they need to learn that education is not considered essential for travellers.
I don't know what relevance there is to knowing that travellers like to marry early and that a woman's place is in the home/caravan.

listermint · 03-11-2018 06:59PM

tretorn wrote: »

The drug crazed unemployed layabout Muslims refers only to the Muslims who carried out the attacks. While professing disdain in their racial attitudes towards white people and their drinking of alcohol these hypocrites spent the day in bars drinking and taking drugs. The Muslim youth are over represented in the prison population in France, they live in ghettoes, dont assimilate and then blame French society for the fact that their lives are horrible.

Now, what does this remind me of, hmmmmmmm

Have you lived in France?

Do you know any of these people?

MFPM · 03-11-2018 06:59PM

tretorn wrote: »

Ms Cash has expressed hatred towards our democratically elected Government. its impossible to listen to her screeching for more than two seconds but the vitriol is there.

In her situation hardly surprising although if you could post her comments we could judge for ourselves if it's hatred and not just frustration and anger and on that front she'd be with hundreds of thousands of people who are homeless or on hospital trolleys or waiting lists.

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 07:01PM

listermint wrote: »

Your not centerist I've read your posts.

Very heavy on the right wing.

And yes you come across as a very angry person Which is why my post triggered you to respond . It actually caught something in you. So you can't out with the classic... You don't have to be here.

Why are you so negative? Are your friends and family this way? Do you carry this stuff around all the time

All 90/100something of them? Then you arrived at the prognosis you gave. You're funny, slightly condescending but funny.

Edward M · 03-11-2018 07:01PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh, well then we have a huge problem in this country with people camping on other's land.

No we haven't. But if saying it as a truth and someone says it's illegal to say it then there's a problem.

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 07:01PM

tretorn wrote: »

Ms Cash has expressed hatred towards our democratically elected Government. its impossible to listen to her screeching for more than two seconds but the vitriol is there.

Many of them seem to be of the high decibel variety, and say nothing but repeat shyte at high volume on a loop.

end of the road · 03-11-2018 07:02PM

tretorn wrote: »

The Irish Times and some silly thinktank in Washinton are the only people interested in this nonsense( and you of course, PC numpty that you are.)

any proof the poster is a "pc numpty" or is this even more of the makey uppy nonsense.

tretorn wrote: »

We saw this on the Presidential debates, who wouldnt have a problem with travellers setting up camp near them. Without even blushing the Presidential candidate bar Peter Casey said they wouldnt have an issue. Hopefully all this individuals will have a halting site installed in their locality soon.

Same with asking people would they mind their daughter marrying a Muslim, who wouldnt advise their daughter against a move like this. Who wants their daughter to have to dress up like a walking birdcage and have no rights in a Muslim country.

nobody, but given all muslims don't dress like that, your inaccurate rant means jot.

tretorn wrote: »

your link is just so nonsensical. Muslims marry Muslims and Jews marry Jews, thats the way the world works.

no, no it really isn't. people marry who they like these days.

tretorn · 03-11-2018 07:02PM

MFPM wrote: »

So the answers weren't to your liking so you dismiss it. If Breitbart published info stating contrary position would you dismiss that too?

It's a dreadful question and it shouldn't be asked because it perpetuates the attitude that there is something inherently wrong with all Travellers which is clearly not the case.

Not all Muslim women dress up like a 'walking birdcage' as you so eloquently put it but if you bothered your ar$e to educate yourself you'd probably know that. You also seem to have great difficulty in understanding the point of the survey and the figures and crucially that it gives lie to the statements in your post.

Lastly did you mange to work out how Travellers aren't held accountable for crime yet are in jail in high numbers - you seem to ignore that post earlier.

I cant tell you how Ms Cash is walking around and helping her self to clothes without paying for them, its very lax of Penneys security staff to let anyone walk out the door with three hundred euros worth of clothes but there you go.
It would appear that maybe travellers who commit more serious crimes than relieving stores of hundreds of euros worth of clothes are in prison. I cant help you anymore. Maybe if you put in a freedom of information request you can find out the proportion of travellers who are in jail and what they are there for.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 07:05PM

Klonker wrote: »

I'm voting Renua in next General Election as long as they drop the anti abortion and they actually have a candidate in my constituency (Fingal). I can't vote for any of the main parties again.

Yep a failed pointless party going no where. You can vote for Keith Redmond - jumped ship from FG to Renua - likely to lose his seat in the locals next year, despicable individual but right up your street I'd say.

Oh they won't drop the anti abortion, anti woman stance but fire away with backing their misogyny.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 07:05PM

Edward M wrote: »

No we haven't. But if saying it as a truth and someone says it's illegal to say it then there's a problem.

Well, as a defence it is quite weak imo. But maybe he will try that if he gets charged.

listermint · 03-11-2018 07:06PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

All 90/100something of them? Then you arrived at the prognosis you gave. You're funny, slightly condescending but funny.

Not trying to be condescending. I'm trying to comprehend why people are so negative. I couldn't fathom being that way.

Jesus it's like why bring the world down a few notches.

There's no need for it. So what is it that makes people do it.

We all have families would you want your kids going around with this sort of bile outlook on life

I wouldn't. No thanks which is why I question people on it. And why I respond to posters that subscribe to it.

If one person stops and says actually yeah he might have a point there's no need for this unadulterated anger at everything. Then I've at least impacted someone for a minute.

Tell me how · 03-11-2018 07:07PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not the best of performances by Casey last night, but an absolute mess for Tubs and the Pavee Point idiots that tried to ambush Casey

Only one of these 3 parties are looking to be elected though...

Potential-Monke · 03-11-2018 07:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you link to it?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1994/act/2/section/13/enacted/en/html#sec13

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 07:12PM

listermint wrote: »

Not trying to be condescending. I'm trying to comprehend why people are so negative. I couldn't fathom being that way.

Jesus it's like why bring the world down a few notches.

There's no need for it. So what is it that makes people do it.

We all have families would you want your kids going around with this sort of bile outlook on life

I wouldn't. No thanks which is why I question people on it. And why I respond to posters that subscribe to it.

If one person stops and says actually yeah he might have a point there's no need for this unadulterated anger at everything. Then I've at least impacted someone for a minute.

So you're not trying to be condescending? So it just comes naturally so without you noticing. Seems the internet is really not a good place for you. May I suggest you retreat to what you deem as a safe space. People can call out bs when they see it you seem to want to close down discussion because you are unhappy with the opinions being expressed. Anyway you don't know me but feel entitled to post the bs you did. No need to engage you further.

tretorn · 03-11-2018 07:15PM

What is the current situation with the houses in Tipperary.

Are they ready to be occupied and lying there empty.

Would any insurance company insure them if they are unoccupied.

Captain Obvious · 03-11-2018 07:16PM

paleoperson wrote: »

The whole point of racism is that a person is of a different race. You can't have racism against a minority group that is not of a different race.

I mean how ****ing braindead do you have to be to come up with that? You couldn't make this **** up.

This does not/should not get the dignity of an argument. There is no opinion and counteropinion to this, it's a joke.

That is incorrect. The internationally agreed upon definition of racial discrimination includes ethnicity and nationality.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 07:16PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1994/act/2/section/13/enacted/en/html#sec13

I would have thought a person with a BA in Policing to be able to interpret a simple request.

Where in the legislation does it say that a

Potential-Monke wrote:

A statement of complaint from the private owner or an order from the local council is required to move them. How is that not different?

is required?

You also quoted the wrong section of the Act btw.

This is the section covering it:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2002/act/9/section/24/enacted/en/html

end of the road · 03-11-2018 07:17PM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Actually, they're looking for up to €800,000.

Oh get over yourself. Lots of us are happy with our lives, but we're sick of paying for the lazy life-dolers, the travellers who take without giving, the criminals who get to walk scott free. We're sick of paying for everything and then getting nothing when we need it. But, at the same time, you're still in here replying to everyone. Is this where you get your happiness?

we get public services. roads, education, health. hardly nothing. correctly we don't get a medal, a pat on the back, or told how great we are however.

Edward M wrote: »

It doesn't really matter though, as long as a percentage of or any reside or use land that they aren't entitled to his statement is valid.
I know of a few places, outside Ballinasloe and around Galway that there are illegal camps, Spanish Eyes just mentioned around Dublin Airport, I'm sure there are other places.
Casey statement is valid, you'll have a hell of a job proving otherwise.

no, no, casey's statement isn't valid. he stated that all travelers are illegally camping on other people's land
if he had said "some travelers camp illegaly on land they don't own" then his statement would be valid because some do. however he didn't, ergo his statement is invalid.

tretorn wrote: »

Ms Cash has expressed hatred towards our democratically elected Government. its impossible to listen to her screeching for more than two seconds but the vitriol is there.

so no different to quite a lot of the population who have expressed "hatred" (in reality anger) toards our democratically elected Government.

Potential-Monke wrote: »

That's just it. It's the same legislation, but 9 years of having to do this and that is the internal process, because of the protected status and to avoid allegations of racism by the Gardai.

which "protected" status are you refering to? because it's certainly not their ethnic status, which does not protect them from the consiquences of breaking the law.

Wheeliebin30 · 03-11-2018 07:18PM

MFPM wrote: »

In her situation hardly surprising although if you could post her comments we could judge for ourselves if it's hatred and not just frustration and anger and on that front she'd be with hundreds of thousands of people who are homeless or on hospital trolleys or waiting lists.

Homeless my arse.

Hey out and pay your own way in life.

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 07:19PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Only one of these 3 parties are looking to be elected though...

No election yet that I'm aware of.

listermint · 03-11-2018 07:21PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you're not trying to be condescending? So it just comes naturally so without you noticing. Seems the internet is really not a good place for you. May I suggest you retreat to what you deem as a safe space. People can call out bs when they see it you seem to want to close down discussion because you are unhappy with the opinions being expressed. Anyway you don't know me but feel entitled to post the bs you did. No need to engage you further.

But here's the problem.

There is no opinions being expressed. It's just constant bile.

If you want actually opinions by all means have a discussion. Talk about problems and discuss solutions. This thread isn't that. In fact is it even a thread.

It shows how you view discourse if you trot out lines like safe space. Does it make you feel the big lad. Because there's a few big lads on here who are showing up the extent of their ability to have a discussion.

So go on tell us what's with the bile. Give us some actual opinion and if you want.. why not try give some solutions that's what we have boards for.

Roger Hassenforder · 03-11-2018 07:22PM

listermint wrote: »

Good for you.

What are their current policies?

And do you know they have one TD . What's his name?

They have 0 TDs

MFPM wrote: »

Yep a failed pointless party going no where. You can vote for Keith Redmond - jumped ship from FG to Renua - likely to lose his seat in the locals next year, despicable individual but right up your street I'd say.

Redmond is Independent , left Renua 2016.

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 07:22PM

tretorn wrote: »

What is the current situation with the houses in Tipperary.

Are they ready to be occupied and lying there empty.

Would any insurance company insure them if they are unoccupied.

I have no idea, but I doubt they are occupied right now.

This development just shouts out that Travellers are "OTHER" They decided that by welcoming ethnic status though.

Casey is right, they are Irish and not a different race, but show me a non Traveller person on the housing list that gets room for a horse and stables, and grazing.

It is our taxpayer money. We should demand accountability for this.

Edward M · 03-11-2018 07:22PM

end of the road wrote: »

no, no, casey's statement isn't valid. he stated that all travelers are illegally camping on other people's land
if he had said "some travelers camp illegaly on land they don't own" then his statement would be valid because some do. however he didn't, ergo his statement is invalid.

Can you link to that.?

listermint · 03-11-2018 07:23PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They have 0 TDs

Redmond is Independent , left Renua 2016.

Thanks for the correction .was unaware

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 07:25PM

MFPM wrote: »

In her situation hardly surprising although if you could post her comments we could judge for ourselves if it's hatred and not just frustration and anger and on that front she'd be with hundreds of thousands of people who are homeless or on hospital trolleys or waiting lists.

How many previous convictions has she now?

Lovely person I am sure with total respect for those who are paying her way.

Potential-Monke · 03-11-2018 07:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would have thought a person with a BA in Policing to be able to interpret a simple request.

Where in the legislation does it say that a

is required?

You also quoted the wrong section of the Act btw.

This is the section covering it:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2002/act/9/section/24/enacted/en/html

Apologies, it's been over 2 years since I even considered looking at legislation again. Also I'm at work so can't fully look into it. Funny that it's an amendment to the Act i quoted but isn't contained within it. I digress.

And yes, again, you are right that there are no special exemptions, but the law and the implementation of the law aren't always the same. I had been involved in numerous cases where we tried to move on illegally camped travellers, only to be told by higher up to get a statement of complaint or an order for removal from the council before doing anything. You won't see that written down anywhere, but that was the process.

Edit: Section 13 is what we used when they were just 'having a look' at other peoples property.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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