Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 11:50AM

It was always going to happen.

Supporters of a politician - who 'spoke the truth'(his truth) crying like babies because he was confronted/challenged by others who were speaking their 'truth'.

Fabulously ironic.

micks_address · 03-11-2018 11:51AM

I kinda see Casey's argument. That by classifying someone as being part of an ethic minority your automatically labelling them as outside of normal society. If that's the right term. Not that I necessarily agree with him

Idbatterim · 03-11-2018 11:51AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Do you crack one off when thinking about that party, you're as bad as a drug pusher, it's funny though

There is only one party there that fits the bill at the moment renua. If you see my quote I said “like renua” ...

tretorn · 03-11-2018 11:51AM

I wonder how many of the travellers pay the Tv licence.
Could we dig up that info, we could msybe ask how many have microchipped the dogs and bought licences for them too.

03-11-2018 11:52AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I see the 'hate' nonsense is still being trotted out. I wonder will any examples of this hate speech be provided? Although Casey was referred to repeatedly as a racist yet none could back up this claim.

Just quoting this again.

youtube! · 03-11-2018 11:54AM

I haven't read much of the thread but is it true or false that because traveller's are considered as an ethnic minority that they get more payment than the standard from the Social welfare? I heard this being bandied around but it surely cannot be true...Can it?

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 11:54AM

micks_address wrote: »

I kinda see Casey's argument. That by classifying someone as being part of an ethic minority your automatically labelling them as outside of normal society. If that's the right term. Not that I necessarily agree with him

Casey - A Derry man, had his own identity given 'parity of esteem and the right to inclusivity' enshrined in an international treaty. That is what SEMS was designed to do for this community, nothing more.

Wanderer78 · 03-11-2018 11:54AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Do you crack one off when thinking about that party, you're as bad as a drug pusher, it's funny though

There is only one party there that fits the bill at the moment renua. If you see my quote I said “like renua” ...

Of course you're entitled to your opinion and choice of voting preference, but they're not everyone's cup of tea, certainly not mine, it ll be interesting to see how they do in the next ge though, it may give an indication where Ireland is going

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 11:55AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was always going to happen.

Supporters of a politician - who 'spoke the truth'(his truth) crying like babies because he was confronted/challenged by others who were speaking their 'truth'.

Fabulously ironic.

You seem to be the only one referring to Casey as a politician. No crying here dude, just find it hilarious how some try to be so dismissive of hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens. He has said some stark and truthful things some nonsense aswell. Will he get in the Dail? Doubtful but he has started a discourse that is long overdue, votes there for any politician willing to call out the bs engaged in by the travelling community.

Edward M · 03-11-2018 11:55AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How much more articulate do you need to be?

There is nothing beyond stating the 'soundbytes' since Casey started. He falls apart when questioned on his opinions.
Evidenced again last night.

I am still laughing at the 'Phoenix Park' interlude and the idea that a mouthful like that could be defended or expanded on. Pure hate based rethoric designed to rabble rouse. And again, it has been successful to a degree, but I reckon there are a lot of IQ's considering their positions at the moment across the country.

Realistically I'd say he is just throwing out the idea of where it's socially acceptable to site travellers or how close to the aras we would be happy to have them congregate for any reason, and be on view, say when foreign dignitaries are visiting.
We have cricket, horse back polo, a zoo, other sports and activities taking place there regularly, why not traveller college for instance?

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 11:57AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You seem to be the only one referring to Casey as a politician. No crying here dude, just find it hilarious how some try to be so dismissive of hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens. He has said some stark and truthful things some nonsense aswell. Will he get in the Dail? Doubtful but he has started a discourse that is long overdue, votes there for any politician willing to call out the bs engaged in by the travelling community.

:D:D:D There was a 'discourse' last night and he couldn't get past his loud mouth soundbytes.

realitykeeper · 03-11-2018 11:58AM

The traveler community are as Irish as everyone else, more so in some ways. Defining them as separate is I suspect, just a political thing or perhaps a tactic to use in legal argument. In my experience, the travelers are likable and hardworking but when they misbehave, problems arise.

On crime and drunken behavior, I would be inclined to apply a measure of brutality to all criminals and drunks, regardless of the community from which they hail. I am also opposed to the welfare state and the travelers are by no means the only recipients of welfare.

Surely, now is the time to bring back the stick so as to discipline the young. Of course, in days gone by, sailors and prisoners were occasionally birched for insubordination and perhaps such methods might prove effective when applied to the backs of those inmates who display outward signs of defiance or loutish aggression. Manners need to be imposed on those who fail to acquire them.

Phoebas · 03-11-2018 11:59AM

Would Renua not be a natural home for Casey and his supporters? (Assuming that is that FF don't take him up on his offer to lead that party)

Wheeliebin30 · 03-11-2018 11:59AM

tretorn wrote: »

I wonder how many of the travellers pay the Tv licence.
Could we dig up that info, we could msybe ask how many have microchipped the dogs and bought licences for them too.

Or bin and electricity charges?

One rule for them....

Wanderer78 · 03-11-2018 12:00PM

realitykeeper wrote: »

The traveler community are as Irish as everyone else, more so in some ways. Defining them as separate is just a political thing or perhaps a tactic to use in legal argument. In my experience, the travelers are likable and hardworking but when they misbehave, problems arise. That said, I would be inclined to apply a measure of brutality to all criminals regardless of the community from which they hail. I am also opposed to the welfare state and the travelers are by no means the only recipients of welfare.

Why not have an ould bitta crack with it, a fight to the death with criminals, could be staged in croker

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 12:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D:D:D There was a 'discourse' last night and he couldn't get past his loud mouth soundbytes.

Dude you seem overly focused on Casey my point was he opened a can of worms and lights are being shown in areas that some would rather didn't happen. Have to say though despite some nonsense on Casey's part he held his own against Tubs and the PP idiots. Worst attempt at an ambush ever.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 03-11-2018 12:04PM

Hi Guys!
i'm back again after me 2 week ban,

Have i missed much?

dan1895 · 03-11-2018 12:06PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Would Renua not be a natural home for Casey and his supporters? (Assuming that is that FF don't take him up on his offer to lead that party)

For some for sure but I know of a lot of left leaning people who voted for Casey who wouldn't go near Renua with a barge pole.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 12:06PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Dude you seem overly focused on Casey my point was he opened a can of worms and lights are being shown in areas that some would rather didn't happen. Have to say though despite some nonsense on Casey's part he held his own against Tubs and the PP idiots. Worst attempt at an ambush ever.

'Overly focused on Casey' on a thread about Casey?

I am noticing this tactic - wheneve a light is shone on Casey, the excuse is 'it's not about Casey'

:D

Arranging a counterpoint to a controversial opinion on a debate show is not an 'ambush'.
Juvenile excuse making for a shambolic performance/defence of his statements.

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 12:10PM

The issue is not going away is it, despite the media and Establishment desire to kill off any dissenting voices ASAP.

The one thing I would like to focus on is what Casey actually said. He said everyone should be treated equally, and there is no need for ethnic status for Travellers. That's true and is NOT racist, how could it be?

But the narrative has been hijacked to assign to him the very labels he seeks to abolish.

Travellers are not treated equally here, they are treated better than the so called non ethnic people IMV. Rarely pulled up on anti social behaviour, fighting, animal cruelty, misogyny, a culture of non education and marrying the girls off as soon as possible and so on.

It really is up to Travellers to prove they are being discriminated against. I don't see much of that, quite the opposite in fact.

This is despite millions of taxpayer funds been funnelled into Pavee Point. What benefits has than shown?

We hear all the time about health outcomes, and lack of education etc. Well in fairness those services are available to all, so I don't understand why this narrative keeps being repeated. They should help themselves a bit more and quit the victim mentality.

We are all equal remember.

Ursus Horribilis · 03-11-2018 12:10PM

It must hurt that this has taken all the spotlight away from Sinn Féin, eh?

realitykeeper · 03-11-2018 12:13PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why not have an ould bitta crack with it, a fight to the death with criminals, could be staged in croker

No, no. Authority must be the arbiter and applicator of discipline. Loutish behaviour such as fighting, has no place in a civilized society, be it in an arena or a back alley.

dav3 · 03-11-2018 12:13PM

I'm not sure what else the people that support him want.

He has been on the biggest platforms in the state, there is nowhere else to go. For someone without a political party or without an idea what he's going to do next, he should actually be delighted with the airtime that he's received.

The questions put to him have always been fairly tame. People have just let him speak, he's his own worse enemy.

He's going to run in the counties that nominated him is he? Well I wish him the best of luck running against these lads and trying to take their seats.

suicide_circus · 03-11-2018 12:14PM

Tubs doing a great job for the the Casey PR machine I see

Roark · 03-11-2018 12:14PM

listermint wrote: »

He was the most suited out of the crop of people applying.

That is my opinion.

Casey gave no one a voice they don't already have. These same people are not bothered voting for new parties . So they aren't too bothered about their voice. Protest vote with zero results.

Get off their arse and start campaigning to councillors and TDs if they want change.

Or dish out pointless protest votes when they get activated at a perceived bogey man.

Look at the protest vote in the UK millions voting for themselves to be put out of work.again a perceived bogey man. The EU

We don’t know what the result of the protest vote will be yet. It’s too early to tell. A perceived bogeyman? You honestly don’t have a clue. I live in one of the towns where Casey topped the pole. People here didn’t vote for Casey because they were manipulated and/or are stupid/hateful/racist. They supported him because they live in a town with a high traveller population and have to live everyday with the problems that that often brings. I won’t bore you with anecdotes. Google has pages and pages of newspaper articles if you wish to educate yourself.

There are no candidates that will touch traveller issues or the growing welfare state at the moment. Maybe that will change. We’ll see.

Comparing the presidential election with Brexit makes no sense. One outcome has pretty much no impact on voters lives and the other has huge impact.

Here is something to think about. Maybe people that think/vote differently to you aren’t idiots. Maybe we havent been manipulated and are blaming all our woes on a bogeyman. Maybe we have genuine real concerns that you and people like you have very little experience of and frankly don’t give a damn about.

That’s me done for a while. Please don’t expect a reply.

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 12:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Overly focused on Casey' on a thread about Casey?

I am noticing this tactic - wheneve a light is shone on Casey, the excuse is 'it's not about Casey' :D

Arranging a counterpoint to a controversial opinion on a debate show is not an 'ambush'.
Juvenile excuse making for a shambolic performance/defence of his statements.

I can see responding to you could become very tedious. I said Casey started a discourse as to whether he has a future place in that discourse is my opinion doubtful.
It was an ambush but the idiots that attempted should have been better coached. Appalling effort. Casey getting attacked by Tubs just adds fuel to the fire. Anyway as I said engaging with you further would become tedious.

Wanderer78 · 03-11-2018 12:16PM

realitykeeper wrote: »

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why not have an ould bitta crack with it, a fight to the death with criminals, could be staged in croker

No, no. Authority must be the arbiter and applicator of discipline. Loutish behaviour such as fighting, has no place in a civilized society, be it in an arena or a back alley.

It might be best if you leave this planet, as I'd imagine life is stressful for you. Would brutality be considered err emm brutal behaviour?

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 12:18PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

It must hurt that this has taken all the spotlight away from Sinn Féin, eh?

Sinn Fein could have organised a better ambush against Casey, lots of experience to draw on.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 12:20PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I can see responding to you could become very tedious. I said Casey started a discourse as to whether he has a future place in that discourse is my opinion doubtful.
It was an ambush but the idiots that attempted should have been better coached. Appalling effort. Casey getting attacked by Tubs just adds fuel to the fire. Anyway as I said engaging with you further would become tedious.

You are joining the 'we want a 'discussion' but we don't want any challenge to the discussion' gang is it?
I can see why this gang are upset Casey got challenged last night. :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 12:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are joining the 'we want a 'discussion' but we don't want any challenge to the discussion' gang is it?
I can see why this gang are upset Casey got challenged last night. :rolleyes:

Nah dude just joining " the couldn't be bothered responding to you gang". Tedious boring and circular. Don't expect any further response.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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