Throw away the key

Commanchie · 03-11-2018 02:21AM

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Is loss of remission really gone on sentences? Since when?

Since 2014. It was ruled illegal to strip a prisoner of remission. When you misbehaved within the jail and received a p19(disciplinary report) a governor on dealing with the p19 could take 14 days remission etc, Adding 14 days to your release date.

After the Leon wright debacle a judge ruled it could no longer take place.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 02:27AM

Commanchie wrote: »

Since 2014. It was ruled illegal to strip a prisoner of remission. When you misbehaved within the jail and received a p19(disciplinary report) a governor on dealing with the p19 could take 14 days remission etc, Adding 14 days to your release date.

After the Leon wright debacle a judge ruled it could no longer take place.

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How can a judge unilaterally override a principle which is presumably decades old.

Commanchie · 03-11-2018 02:33AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

?

How can a judge unilaterally override a principle which is presumably decades old.

When did a judge ever incorporate remission. Remission was with the IPS.

Kevin Finnerty · 03-11-2018 02:53AM

Commanchie wrote: »

Since 2014. It was ruled illegal to strip a prisoner of remission. When you misbehaved within the jail and received a p19(disciplinary report) a governor on dealing with the p19 could take 14 days remission etc, Adding 14 days to your release date.

After the Leon wright debacle a judge ruled it could no longer take place.

I know I should wiki it but what happened there?

Commanchie · 03-11-2018 03:12AM

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

I know I should wiki it but what happened there?

He lost 2 years remission in space of 38 days, due to poor and aggressive behaviour. His legal team J.Rd it and led to governors no longer issuing loss of remission as it was cutting whatever chance of rehabilitation they had.

wellwhynot · 03-11-2018 09:15AM

We need to build another prison. Most people before the courts in this country have been up multiple times before. The amount we would save in legal aid would easily build a prison. The likes of Larry Murphy, this guy and scum with 100’s of convictions should not be walking the streets again ever. If they are and offend again the victim should be able to sue the state. Larry Murphy tried to murder a woman and would have only he was caught in the act. He should be in prison for the rest of life. If he had been convicted in the U.K. he would still be in prison. I wince when I read the mitigating factors read out by the judge. Most of us have not have a perfect life.

03-11-2018 10:05AM

Commanchie wrote: »

It was ruled illegal to strip a prisoner of remission.
After the Leon wright debacle a judge ruled it could no longer take place.

Genuinely didn't realise that was the case across the board, which is bad if true as I'm a serving PO

Commanchie · 03-11-2018 10:07AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Genuinely didn't realise that was the case across the board, which is bad if true as I'm a serving PO

100% though Mr donnellan said this year he would be looking at having it brought back if possible. Every other justice system has the option of los, we should too.

mynamejeff · 03-11-2018 11:01AM

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/jane-last-in-failing-rapist-eoin-berkley-our-system-also-failed-his-victim-37487390.html

apparently its our fault that eoin berkly was a animal

ffs the media should be screaming for a noose not babying this POS .

03-11-2018 05:02PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/jane-last-in-failing-rapist-eoin-berkley-our-system-also-failed-his-victim-37487390.html

apparently its our fault that eoin berkly was a animal

ffs the media should be screaming for a noose not babying this POS .

The lefty wannabe Guardian writers are out again with their bleeding hearts I see :rolleyes:

Where is personal responsibility any more???

BoneIdol · 03-11-2018 07:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The lefty wannabe Guardian writers are out again with their bleeding hearts I see :rolleyes:

Where is personal responsibility any more???

The righty rapist is the real problem alright.

Infini · 03-11-2018 08:11PM

As far as I'm concerned this piece of human waste would be better off being put down for being the animal he is. Theres no redeeming this kind of filth. That being said the next best thing would be real life imprisonment he's an unsalvagable piece of filth and should never see the outside of a prison ever again.

Commanchie · 04-11-2018 12:58AM

We all know this crime is horrific and pales in comparison to any crime since the Graham dwyer in my opinion.

But why is the reaction on here so volatile. He has been sentenced, I believe to a very lenient sentence. If it is appealed by the DPP all well and good, if not so be it. Striking up a furore will instill infamy in his mindset and this can create a bigger beast then what he is today, as he will be in a volatile situation within a prison and will feed into it.

We should be looking at public safety and making sure our women and children are safe.

ArtSmart · 04-11-2018 01:13AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Given the severe personality disorder attested to this man, I feel there should be provision made to keep him in a secure mental health institution after he served his time.

I understand he can't be kept in prison, but I don't think he should be allowed into the general public again, either.

This is my take.

We should be able to differentiate criminal profit / money driven activity from this type of activity - which, while also a crime, is wholly different to the former.

It's a failure that needs to be resolved.

ArtSmart · 04-11-2018 01:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The lefty wannabe Guardian writers are out again with their bleeding hearts I see :rolleyes:

Where is personal responsibility any more???

Being psychologically sick is not an excuse - it's a state of Being.

Anyone who commits rape is psychologically sick, imo. As are those who facilitate it - such as Human Traffickers who enslave women. Those who are sick this way, should be isolated from society, until cured - if ever.

Isolation from society might seem counter-productive to some, but it is inappropriate for members of society to be at the mercy of such sick persons.

Placing them in prison, is incredibly abdication of social responsibility. They should be in mental care institutions, until death or cure.

And as there are different levels of sickness, a cure may well be possible in an amount of cases. But, until they are fully cured, they should not be part of society.

Gimme A Pound · 04-11-2018 02:08AM

Before I opened the article, I expected to see "We (but not me)" this and that but it didn't, and it makes fair points in my opinion.

Only he is responsible for his actions but it's likely his ****ty life helped to create a monster, and there are some pretty alarming failings listed. I know most people who had ****ty lives don't resort to what he did but it seems a significant number do.

No sympathy for him, nobody else is directly accountable for what he did, but examining possible factors that led to how he turned out is not the same as excusing him or taking responsibility away from him.

Purple Mountain · 04-11-2018 02:11AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I read your post wexie and I was like;
"Fuc ti feeno what's that *Scratcheshead*.
Oh!! It's fücked if I know"!!

Thanks for clearing that up!

Shenshen · 04-11-2018 10:21AM

Thomas Lazy Shiner wrote: »

Before I opened the article, I expected to see "We (but not me)" this and that but it didn't, and it makes fair points in my opinion.

Only he is responsible for his actions but it's likely his ****ty life helped to create a monster, and there are some pretty alarming failings listed. I know most people who had ****ty lives don't resort to what he did but it seems a significant number do.

No sympathy for him, nobody else is directly accountable for what he did, but examining possible factors that led to how he turned out is not the same as excusing him or taking responsibility away from him.

I would like to quote this for emphasis.
I know I'm in the minority here, but my concern is far more about "what can we as a state and as a society learn from this to try and make sure it will not happen again with another perpetrator and another victim".

As stated, given the very poor outlook for rehabilitation given by the mental health professional who testified, I would not want the perpetrator back on the street. Certainly not after such a short period of time, though I'd be willing to listen to another assessment in due course. I do believe that people can and do change.

But my main concern would be examining how he came to be an offender in the first place, and see if there is anything that can be done to make it less likely another young man goes down the same route, and another young woman be scarred for life.

Gimme A Pound · 04-11-2018 02:00PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I would like to quote this for emphasis.
I know I'm in the minority here, but my concern is far more about "what can we as a state and as a society learn from this to try and make sure it will not happen again with another perpetrator and another victim".

As stated, given the very poor outlook for rehabilitation given by the mental health professional who testified, I would not want the perpetrator back on the street. Certainly not after such a short period of time, though I'd be willing to listen to another assessment in due course. I do believe that people can and do change.

But my main concern would be examining how he came to be an offender in the first place, and see if there is anything that can be done to make it less likely another young man goes down the same route, and another young woman be scarred for life.

Same here. In relation to crimes like this and numerous other violent crimes. I think long-term incarceration is necessary to keep others safe from such people but I also agree with the approach you describe.

E g. paedophiles - if one offends, prison obviously. But there should be supports for those who have such feelings and haven't acted upon them. Instead of no supports which would surely increase the risk of offending.

Throw away the key

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