Throw away the key

mynamejeff · 02-11-2018 02:14PM

a poster boy for execution.

nothing to lose and everything to gain from binning this POS

mynamejeff · 02-11-2018 02:16PM

This guy is a poster boy for capital punishment

there is nothing to lose form killing this POS and everything to gain

Day Lewin · 02-11-2018 02:19PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1TfZBjgG6c

Why not, really?

CUT OFF THEIR GOOLIES

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 02:22PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Judge Martin Nolan, in my opinion, has delivered some disgraceful judgments against some criminals.

Martin Nolan is known to be very lenient on S.O while giving large sentences to minor crimes in circuit court.

Berkleys threat of death false imprisonment and multiple rapes while drugged trumps larry murphy.

This offence warranted life, no mitigation supports this sentence. Berkley will offend again. He laughed when sentenced grunted system haha the system has failed again.

Akrasia · 02-11-2018 02:42PM

I think we should consider a system like the Norweigan system where people who commit extremely violent crime get an indeterminate sentence of preventative detention. They can apply for parole in 10 years but they have to demonstrate that they are no longer a threat to society, if the parole is denied, they can apply again 5 years later. In theory, people like this person would never be released as it seems he is totally unable to function safely in society

I also think we should make prisons more comfortable and focus less on punishment, and more on reform and containment.

Punishing people might make you feel good for a while, but in the long term, people can't be taught respect by treating them with contempt, and people can't be expected to function after they're released if they have spent years locked in bad conditions where violence and drug abuse are a normal part of daily life.

Containment and rehabilitation should be the primary functions of a prison service. If someone is psychologically depraved and unable to experience normal human emotions, we might call them evil or scum or whatever, but that's not a solution. If they need to be imprisoned for life, it does no good to focus on punishing them all the time. Just give them a comfortable way to live out their sentence where they are no longer a danger to themselves, society or the prison workers or other inmates.

Akrasia · 02-11-2018 02:45PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

a poster boy for execution.

nothing to lose and everything to gain from binning this POS

Societies can be judged by how they treat their prisoners.

Revenge is a destructive emotion, it destroys both the person it targets, and those who seek it.

Day Lewin · 02-11-2018 03:06PM

Imprisonment, castration or even execution are not Revenge:

They are just pragmatic methods to defend society.

By conserving wasteful expenditure and protecting the public from a known serious risk.

If you misuse your power to drive (by driving drunk and hurting someone) you lose the license - the danger is taken away from you - sometimes for life.

It's the same, why not?

mynamejeff · 02-11-2018 03:14PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Societies can be judged by how they treat their prisoners.

Revenge is a destructive emotion, it destroys both the person it targets, and those who seek it.

love to see you explain that to this POS victims and the victims of his future crimes

Societies can also be judged by how they protect their citizens

thats in the sociology text book as well

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 03:16PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

love to see you explain that to this POS victims and the victims of his future crimes

Societies can also be judged by how they protect their citizens

thats in the sociology text book as well

But revenge isnt the answer. Look at the dublin feud, thats what revenge does.

mynamejeff · 02-11-2018 03:45PM

Commanchie wrote: »

But revenge isnt the answer. Look at the dublin feud, thats what revenge does.

ya . i m not sure you understand the topic being discussed

one is a feud between drug based organised crime gangs started out of financial greed and idiotic wanabe gangstas who watch too much tv and snort too much coke

the other is the existence of some one who has proved again and again that he is a danger to those around him you and me included and there fore i believe that he should be removed permanently

the only thing in common is in both case those found guilty should be executed

punisher5112 · 02-11-2018 03:57PM

Commanchie wrote: »

But revenge isnt the answer. Look at the dublin feud, thats what revenge does.

That's totally different.....

Them nuts will kill anyone doesn't even have to be involved.....

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-11-2018 05:06PM

Apparently he should have been locked up or on bail during that rape.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gardai-to-review-handling-of-multiple-bail-breaches-by-convicted-rapist-eoin-berkley-37485677.html

The demand came as it emerged the convicted rapist, who is now starting a 14 year term for the repeated rape and abduction of a Spanish student, should have been in custody over five different public order bail breaches when he attacked the young woman after luring her to waste ground from Dublin city centre.

mynamejeff · 02-11-2018 05:29PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Apparently he should have been locked up or on bail during that rape.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gardai-to-review-handling-of-multiple-bail-breaches-by-convicted-rapist-eoin-berkley-37485677.html

The demand came as it emerged the convicted rapist, who is now starting a 14 year term for the repeated rape and abduction of a Spanish student, should have been in custody over five different public order bail breaches when he attacked the young woman after luring her to waste ground from Dublin city centre.

its gas how they are trying to blame the gardai for giving him bail and releasing him .

obviously a judge and a doctor have questions to answer too,

Captain Obvious · 02-11-2018 05:36PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Apparently he should have been locked up or on bail during that rape.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gardai-to-review-handling-of-multiple-bail-breaches-by-convicted-rapist-eoin-berkley-37485677.html

The demand came as it emerged the convicted rapist, who is now starting a 14 year term for the repeated rape and abduction of a Spanish student, should have been in custody over five different public order bail breaches when he attacked the young woman after luring her to waste ground from Dublin city centre.

Bail laws are just ridiculous. If you are seen in breach of bail a Garda should be bale to arrest you and bring you straight to court. If you are charged with an offence while in breach of bail you should go straight into custody. If you have ever taken a bench warrant you should not be eligible for bail.

wellwhynot · 02-11-2018 05:38PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Apparently he should have been locked up or on bail during that rape.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gardai-to-review-handling-of-multiple-bail-breaches-by-convicted-rapist-eoin-berkley-37485677.html

The demand came as it emerged the convicted rapist, who is now starting a 14 year term for the repeated rape and abduction of a Spanish student, should have been in custody over five different public order bail breaches when he attacked the young woman after luring her to waste ground from Dublin city centre.

If I was her family I would start a civil suit against the state. If he had been in custody she would not have been attacked

EdgeCase · 02-11-2018 05:38PM

There really needs to be a focus on public safety with some of these cases.

If someone's in for some non-violent crime or for something that is clearly out of character or very unlikely to be repeated and they are likely to reform themselves, great, be encouraging and lenient and try to get them back to normality.

However, if someone's a dangerous individual who is likely to repeat offend with violent crimes, keep them in prison for as long as necessary to ensure the rest of us are kept safe.

It's not even about punishment or revenge, it's just about simple public safety.

Boom_Bap · 02-11-2018 05:41PM

After he was arrested for this rape, a few days later he was seen back at his place. That's how f*cked up this system is.

take everything · 02-11-2018 07:31PM

Saw this piece of **** waving to the camera on the news.

What exactly is he trying to say.
There really is nothing redeemable about someone like this.

Lenient sentence tbh for what that girl went through. She may never get over it.

decky1 · 02-11-2018 07:44PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

Does anyone know the reason dangerous criminals like this guy and larry murphy do a handful of years in prison while countries like the USA will imprison these pieces of $hit for a long time?

im pretty sure the majority of the Irish population would be in favor of 30 year sentences for people like that.

is it lack of prison space or what?

no it's the people [some here] that say 'AH sure he's not well'. There needs to be punishment that fits the crime , how would these people feel if it was their sister or some female relative who he attacked? something that might make offenders of this kind to think twice. we're not all out for blood as some state, but stop hitting these scum with a Feather it's time the judge's woke up.

Get Real · 02-11-2018 08:04PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Bail laws are just ridiculous. If you are seen in breach of bail a Garda should be bale to arrest you and bring you straight to court. If you are charged with an offence while in breach of bail you should go straight into custody. If you have ever taken a bench warrant you should not be eligible for bail.

Agree. If a person is bailed, and a warrant is issued, that person should be automatically kept in custody when arrested by gdai and brought to court.

I have seen people brought before the courts on a warrant, having been arrested by gardai, only to be released again in court that day. It boils down to the presumption of innocence etc.the courts really are an education, go and watch if you have free time!

And I'm all for the presumption of innocence etc. But if someone is given an opportunity and flouts it, should be detained in prison automatically. (And this would prevent further crimes being committed while they're in there, however a court can't take that into account, again as a presumption of innocence and you can't speculate that the person will commit further crimes)

However when you read media reports, it would seem the small few (with between 20 and 150 plus convictions) are responsible for the vast majority of crime. If the law was stricter this would be avoided.

Hotblack Desiato · 02-11-2018 11:16PM

Next referendum should be to ban concurrent sentencing and force judges to adhere to a scale of minimum sentences set by the Minister for Justice. No ifs ands or buts.

No "oh your honour, he came from a bad family, sure he's not really responsible for his actions"

No "oh your honour, he comes from a very respectable family..." (that should be an argument for a longer sentence if anything)

No "oh he has a clean record" (wasn't caught before, more like)

No "at the time he was under the influence of drink or drugs which he chose to take, therefore not responsible etc"

No "he used to be her boyfriend so it's not like she was raped by a stranger" <--- THIS was used recently and it worked.

Fcuk sake.

No remission either.

Build a new big prison. It'll be worth every cent.

SimonTemplar · 02-11-2018 11:39PM

The concept of remission based on good behavior in custody is infuriating. If you misbehave in prison, your sentence should be increased. It's like saying "you were good in prison over the years so that makes up for some of the hideous violence you committed before hand. Off you go then".

It is completely backwards to how it should be.

The Satanist · 02-11-2018 11:44PM

I can accept that there may be mitigating circumstances in certain crimes, such as theft (even to feed a drug addiction), but there needs to be a cut-off point where a perpetrator loses this privilege during sentencing.

This piece of garbage deserves no mercy, no sympathy and no oxygen.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-11-2018 11:45PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Next referendum should be to ban concurrent sentencing and force judges to adhere to a scale of minimum sentences set by the Minister for Justice. No ifs ands or buts.

No "oh your honour, he came from a bad family, sure he's not really responsible for his actions"

No "oh your honour, he comes from a very respectable family..." (that should be an argument for a longer sentence if anything)

No "oh he has a clean record" (wasn't caught before, more like)

No "at the time he was under the influence of drink or drugs which he chose to take, therefore not responsible etc"

No "he used to be her boyfriend so it's not like she was raped by a stranger" <--- THIS was used recently and it worked.

Fcuk sake.

No remission either.

Build a new big prison. It'll be worth every cent.

I agree up to a point. Sentences that are of equal severity should be non concurrent.

Hotblack Desiato · 02-11-2018 11:52PM

So lesser crimes should be thrown in for free?

03-11-2018 01:51AM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

The concept of remission based on good behavior in custody is infuriating. If you misbehave in prison, your sentence should be increased. It's like saying "you were good in prison over the years so that makes up for some of the hideous violence you committed before hand. Off you go then".

It is completely backwards to how it should be.

It's not even for "good" behaviour, it's just automatic. Anyone who gets 10 years is really getting 7.5 years. All prisoners have two release dates on their profile, a remission release date and a sentence release date. It's always the former that they're dealing with. Also, good behaviour suggests that they're availing of services and engaging in rehabilitating courses. Nah, it's just given to them. Remission is rarely ever revoked and if it is, it's by mere days and not in its entirety.

Commanchie · 03-11-2018 02:10AM

Guys remission is compulsory. Loss of remission is no longer possible. 9 months is the equivalent of 12 months in Jail time. So for every 9 months done a year is served.

You cannot deny remission to a prisoner every country is the same. In Northern Ireland its 50% remission.

03-11-2018 02:12AM

rodge123 wrote: »

How could this guy ever be released, sounds like he would most likely destroy some other innocents life eventually when let out in 14 years.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1101/1008002-eoin-berkeley-courts/

In the words of the judge:
When the doctor examining him, tried to carry out certain psychological tests, the judge said Berkely became aggressive and agitated and threatened the doctor with physical harm and the judge said he was not optimistic about the prospects of rehabilitation.

Judges logic - "Im not optimistic about rehabilitation but sure we'll see how he is after 14 years" :eek:

Another terrible decision

Commanchie · 03-11-2018 02:13AM

Omackeral wrote: »

It's not even for "good" behaviour, it's just automatic. Anyone who gets 10 years is really getting 7.5 years. All prisoners have two release dates on their profile, a remission release date and a sentence release date. It's always the former that they're dealing with. Also, good behaviour suggests that they're availing of services and engaging in rehabilitating courses. Nah, it's just given to them. Remission is rarely ever revoked and if it is, it's by mere days and not in its entirety.

Remission cannot be revoked anymore. You can apply for enhanced remission. Which means rather then 9 months to every year its 8 months.

For this to be accepted by the IPS. Prisoner needs to be of good behaviour (No p19s)
Working for 6 months (on application) and first custodial sentence.

Kevin Finnerty · 03-11-2018 02:17AM

Is loss of remission really gone on sentences? Since when?

Throw away the key

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