Throw away the key

ANDREWMUFC · 02-11-2018 12:11AM

He’ll be out after 2 years on good behaviour or something, like all the other rapists and child molesters

tayto lover · 02-11-2018 12:15AM

He should have actually got a suspended sentence.
From the end of a rope.

02-11-2018 12:19AM

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

He’ll be out after 2 years on good behaviour or something, like all the other rapists and child molesters

Except for he won't.

ANDREWMUFC · 02-11-2018 12:21AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Except for he won't.

Fine. Give it 5 years and he’ll be out

02-11-2018 12:22AM

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Fine. Give it 5 years and he’ll be out

Wrong again.

corner of hells · 02-11-2018 12:22AM

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Fine. Give it 5 years and he’ll be out

Not even five .

02-11-2018 12:24AM

He got 14 years. With a quarter remission, he'll do 10 and a half. No point using lies amd hyperbole saying he'll be out after 2 lads.

corner of hells · 02-11-2018 12:26AM

Omackeral wrote: »

He got 14 years. With a quarter remission, he'll do 10 and a half. No point using lies amd hyperbole saying he'll be out after 2 lads.

Is it Arbour Hill for that type of offender ?

Sheep breeder · 02-11-2018 12:27AM

jmayo wrote: »

5 minutes and a rusty one of these.

The scum deserves nothing better, but let me guess he will be out in less than 10 what with the old automatic remission for not raping or killing anyone whilst in jail.
This guy should never ever be let out again.

Agree totally, but the above piece of equipment should be give to lad that doesn’t know how to use it and let him practice away with it on him.

02-11-2018 12:30AM

corner of hells wrote: »

Is it Arbour Hill for that type of offender ?

In most cases it has been. Sprinkled in with convicted corrupt cops and prison guards. Some are sent to the Midlands where there's a section just for them.

TallGlass · 02-11-2018 12:30AM

Firm believer that if you violate someone's human rights so badly you opt out yourself and are treated the same as any animal that viciously attacks and are put to sleep.

700/800k to house him for next 10 years. Waste of time, useless excuse of a 'human being', should be put to sleep.

Jameswhalley · 02-11-2018 12:41AM

TallGlass wrote: »

Firm believer that if you violate someone's human rights so badly you opt out yourself and are treated the same as any animal that viciously attacks and are put to sleep.

700/800k to house him for next 10 years. Waste of time, useless excuse of a 'human being', should be put to sleep.

Ok ,well we don't have CP here

But CP costs more than life without parole in the US

Mam of 4 · 02-11-2018 12:42AM

Genuine question , what does someone have to do to be locked away securely , in a psychiatric facility for the rest of their lives ?

If the Judge honestly thought he was so damaged , and dangerous , why didn't he make that the sentence given ?

At least there would be no chance of him ever brutally attacking anyone again .

SimonTemplar · 02-11-2018 12:43AM

I see on the Prison Services website that their mission statement is to provide "rehabilitation". That may be the case for a majority of prisoners but the system needs to acknowledge that rehabilitation isn't possible for every single offender, and therefore arrangements need to be made to keep the general public safe from those people when serious violence is a real possibility. A secure mental health facility after his sentence seems like the best option where professionals can evaluate his suitability for release.

I'm pretty sure Ireland has a better chance of being visited by aliens within the next 10 years than that guy being rehabilitated in prison.

Jameswhalley · 02-11-2018 12:44AM

Mam of 4 wrote: »

Genuine question , what does someone have to do to be locked away securely , in a psychiatric facility for the rest of their lives ?

If the Judge honestly thought he was so damaged , and dangerous , why didn't he make that the sentence given ?

At least there would be no chance of him ever brutally attacking anyone again .

You're let go from psychiatric when deemed sane

That place was another breeding ground for wannabe murderers the CMH

Mam of 4 · 02-11-2018 12:49AM

Jameswhalley wrote: »

You're let go from psychiatric when deemed sane

That place was another breeding ground for wannabe murderers the CMH

Oh ok ;o .

I honestly thought there was a facility/hospital , whatever , that someone like him could be sent to , for the rest of his natural life so that he'd never be released near the public again .

TallGlass · 02-11-2018 12:54AM

He is one of a few people over the last few years that have been put away that I would be very seriously worried about upon release.

20 years wouldn't have been good enough, he degraded that poor girl and ruined her life, she will never ever be the same again. Yet he will be out in ten years without a care in the world and that girls life in ruins still. It is utterly increable that it's called justice.

I just find it incredible you can ruin someone's life, effect countless others like parents, sisters, brothers etc.. and get such minimal prison sentence.

Redneck Culchie · 02-11-2018 01:03AM

He'll be in Arbour Hill not Mountjoy etc. Seems Gardai and family tried and failed to get him sectioned before this, questions really should be asked about how that didn't happen.

SimonTemplar · 02-11-2018 01:09AM

This case has all the potential of another scumbag - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/serial-rapist-paul-moore-out-of-prison-and-pictured-back-on-the-streets-37027676.html

Raped a woman in 1995 - he was sentenced to seven years in prison.
Raped another woman, a musician, in 2001. He was sentenced to ten years in prison.
Engaged a woman in conversation in Gardiner Street near his apartment in January 2015 before sexually assaulting her.
Engaged another woman in conversation at St Mary's Place North, 500 metres from his door, in May 2015, before sexually assaulting her. He received a 15-month sentence for the Gardiner Street and the St Mary's Place attacks.
Engaged another victim in conversation on a Dart train before sexually assaulting her in August 2014. He was sentenced to three years in prison, with 18 months suspended.

Just look at the first two sentences from the article. Raped a women in 1995 and sentenced to seven years. Then in 2001 he raped again, only six years later. FFS! :mad:

Gimme A Pound · 02-11-2018 01:40AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

any of us reading this thread could be the family of the person he will murder when he is released

Aye, he'll only be in his mid to late 30s when he gets out.

hill16bhoy wrote: »

I suppose on the plus side, it means one less woman-hating alt-right nut job on this forum.

What?

Debtocracy wrote: »

When cases like these happen, it’s always a good time to find the sadist in your group. Given the opportunity to express their sadistic desires in a morally righteous way, the sadist will not be able to resist: “I hope he dies roaring”, “I hope other prisoner’s rape him”, “I’d set him on fire repeatedly” etc.

Now the sadist is very unlikely to be a physical threat, usually won’t have much social status within his peers. - but be very wary of anyone that gains gratification from seeing or fantasising about others in distress.

Stuff said on the internet that you even acknowledge is most likely just talk, is what you focus on more than what he did?

Hannibal_Smith · 02-11-2018 08:20AM

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

He’ll be out after 2 years on good behaviour or something, like all the other rapists and child molesters

I don't think so. This guys and good behaviour don't go hand in hand, going by what I read yesterday .

Shenshen · 02-11-2018 08:34AM

Jameswhalley wrote: »

You're let go from psychiatric when deemed sane

That place was another breeding ground for wannabe murderers the CMH

German law makes a provision for "Sicherheitsverwahrung" after someone has served their prison term.
Essentially, in this case, he would spend his 14 years in prison, but won't released afterwards. Instead, he'll be transferred to a secure mental institution for an indefinite amount of time.

The idea behind this is that you can only sentence to so many years in prison. But if the individual is highly likely to re-offend and pose a severe threat to society, there is this provision to make sure the public are kept safe from them.

I'm curious that there doesn't seem to be such an option here?

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 08:43AM

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

He'll be in Arbour Hill not Mountjoy etc. Seems Gardai and family tried and failed to get him sectioned before this, questions really should be asked about how that didn't happen.

No he will be on G wing in Midlands prison. Arbour Hill has been changed into an older jail for sex offenders, Joe O reilly and anyone younger were moved onto Wheatfield and Midlands prison.

AH is tend to be for older settled prisoners. Eoin will no doubt be welcomed in the Midlands.

Richard Hillman · 02-11-2018 08:50AM

When he gets out in a few years we'll have all this Larry Murphy type scenario where he'll be sent all around the country to halfway houses and the Garda will have to protect him. This guy is a definite danger to society.

Commanchie · 02-11-2018 09:20AM

Shenshen wrote: »

German law makes a provision for "Sicherheitsverwahrung" after someone has served their prison term.
Essentially, in this case, he would spend his 14 years in prison, but won't released afterwards. Instead, he'll be transferred to a secure mental institution for an indefinite amount of time.

The idea behind this is that you can only sentence to so many years in prison. But if the individual is highly likely to re-offend and pose a severe threat to society, there is this provision to make sure the public are kept safe from them.

I'm curious that there doesn't seem to be such an option here?

In Northern Ireland when issuing a custodial sentence a judge will issue a ECS (Extended custodial sentence) or a ICS (Indeterminate custodial sentence) or DCS (Determined custodial)

DCS is the one most prisoners want if you get 10 years you are released on 5 years with 5 years supervision.

ECS and ICS means getting 8 years can potentially lead to a life sentencing. You are assessed by a parole board yearly and throughout your sentence.

We in Ireland dont operate as such.

02-11-2018 09:36AM

Mam of 4 wrote: »

Genuine question , what does someone have to do to be locked away securely , in a psychiatric facility for the rest of their lives ?

If the Judge honestly thought he was so damaged , and dangerous , why didn't he make that the sentence given ?

At least there would be no chance of him ever brutally attacking anyone again .

This, a million percent. The short answer, I suspect, is

1) A criminal sentence is a hell of a lot cheaper than giving a sentence that puts a burden on the already extraordinarily oversubscrubed mental health services.

2) Quoting The Irish Times article below: "A crime that requires any degree of planning would typically not qualify, even if the accused was mentally ill. And crucially, a crime committed as a direct result of taking drugs or alcohol would not qualify, even if the accused met all the other criteria set out in the act." According to the judge, Berkeley planned this.

Very informative article by Conor Gallagher in The Irish Times about the restrictions shaping judges' sentences for patients with mental illnesses here: 'Not guilty by reason of insanity' (The Irish Times, 30 June 2018)

.... Until 2020, there is insufficient space at the facility. Currently there are approximately 25 severely mentally ill people waiting to be transferred to the hospital from prisons, but are stuck where they are because there are too few beds in Dundrum....
More than the archaic building, capacity is the main issue facing the hospital. Ireland has two beds for forensic patients (the official term for mentally ill people in the criminal justice system) per 100,000 people. The UK has 10 per 100,000, while the Netherlands has 14. And even with the new facility in Portrane the Irish number will only be about 3.5 per 100,000.

This means people in the prison system who are extremely ill often cannot be admitted. This endangers prison staff, fellow inmates and the prisoner themselves, and has already caused injuries.

And it means Kennedy has to make ethical decisions on which patients to accept based on how much of an immediate danger they are.

Kennedy says it will probably take a major tragedy before the situation is properly addressed. “An Irish solution to an Irish problem. Manage only by crisis. Never anticipate.”

The situation is made harder to swallow because there’s an entire ward lying empty in the hospital. It has been refurbished but there are not enough nurses to staff it.

The issue isn’t that people don’t want to work in the CMH, Kennedy says. “We are a very popular recruiter when we are allowed to recruit. People relish a challenge.”

The problem is HSE restrictions on recruiting and the fact that there are not enough qualified nurses in the country...

The Crowman · 02-11-2018 10:13AM

TallGlass wrote: »

He is one of a few people over the last few years that have been put away that I would be very seriously worried about upon release.

20 years wouldn't have been good enough, he degraded that poor girl and ruined her life, she will never ever be the same again. Yet he will be out in ten years without a care in the world and that girls life in ruins still. It is utterly increable that it's called justice.

I just find it incredible you can ruin someone's life, effect countless others like parents, sisters, brothers etc.. and get such minimal prison sentence.

It's the Larry Murphy sentencing all over again. Do the judiciary learn anything?

tretorn · 02-11-2018 11:31AM

Isnt the Dundrum facility closing soon.

The site has been earmarked by the Government fir social housing.

He was removed from foster care at fourteen due to his behaviour, I wonder did he get help then or was he just dumped in a youth offenders facility.

Has much chsnged since he was fourteen.

This is Zappones responsibility and instead of spending her time banging on about dead babies from fifty years ago she should concentrate on whats happening to living children. I see now shes proposing we should dig up bodies of dead children all over the country while Tusla havent the resources to protect living children, can anyone in power put a stop to this madness, its going to cost us millions. The religious irders lost millions in the bank crash, most of them are elderly so there isnt a huge amount they can cough up.

tara73 · 02-11-2018 12:02PM

I don't get it either. The US for example has life sentence without the possibility of parole. and life sentence actually means life sentence, something like 75 years or so.

Other countries in Europe have life sentence which is the ridicoulus time of 15 years but for dangerous individuals like this there is preventive custody for the rest of their lives in place.

Why is that not possible to implement in Ireland. I guess it's simply the case of not having the facilities to house them.

To build them costs money and obviously for some people who could make that decision, it's not worth spending that money.

Shocking.

Assetbacked · 02-11-2018 12:11PM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

This case has all the potential of another scumbag - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/serial-rapist-paul-moore-out-of-prison-and-pictured-back-on-the-streets-37027676.html

Just look at the first two sentences from the article. Raped a women in 1995 and sentenced to seven years. Then in 2001 he raped again, only six years later. FFS! :mad:

Judge Martin Nolan, in my opinion, has delivered some disgraceful judgments against some criminals.

Throw away the key

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