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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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  • #8762
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    tretorn wrote: »
    Good post but what are the traveller traditions that are important to preserve.

    Well they have the right to preserve anything that isn't infringing on anybody's rights.

    Glazers Out!



  • #8763
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    I know they can practice their traditions but I am wondering what these traditions are.

    Part of the reason they got ethnic status must be to do with these traditions but I havent a clue what they are. Is marrying daughters off at seventeen to a cousin one of the traditions, surely we should discourage this practice.


  • #8764
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    Omackeral wrote: »
    John Connors is a bit of a wanker.
    Sinn Fein made a big mistake letting John Connors become their part time spokesman/cheerleader. A section of the Gardai and their families were softening in their views on Sinn Fein since the Jerry McCabe incident things have changed. But then you have SF supporter John Connors on the Late Late calling Gardai scum. The optics of Gardai in balaclavas wasn't good but Connors reaction was not a smart move.


  • #8765
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    nullzero wrote: »
    Ireland is so centrist we've wedgied our jocks so far up our arses from sitting on the political fence we need surgery to have them removed.

    Well put, but that would never be seen in any MSM either although it is true.

    I'd suggest a little bit left of centre or even full on Left though prevails, and anyone not with the program has no voice if they veer otherwise.


  • #8766
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,235 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    nullzero wrote: »
    Even the issue of ethnic minority status has only erected more barriers between travellers and the rest of Irish society, they have their traditions and they have the right to practice them, but there are elements of traveller lifestyle that are completely at odds with progressive Ireland such as the treatment of women, the devout religious beliefs, the treatment of LGBT people in their community (most are too afraid to come out) as well as the brutal violence that permeates their culture.

    Nothing wrong with being devout, it is what is expected of members of the Catholic church. And if you are correct about their attitude to LGBT then they are only following the teaching of the church.


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  • #8767
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    Sinn Fein made a big mistake letting John Connors become their part time spokesman/cheerleader. A section of the Gardai and their families were softening in their views on Sinn Fein since the Jerry McCabe incident things have changed. But then you have SF supporter John Connors on the Late Late calling Gardai scum. The optics of Gardai in balaclavas wasn't good but Connors reaction was not a smart move.

    Part of the reason the Gardai wore balaclavas was in case corrosive substances were thrown at their faces.

    The other reason would be the online witch hunt that would be directed against them. Why should Gardai put their lives and their families lives at risk when they are carrying out orders to do their job.


  • #8768
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    About time the millionaire Travellers with their new jeeps and mega Communions and all the rest of it are being called out.

    Casey has let the cork out of the bottle. I hope he works on that now. Even though every msm is having conniptions because their received wisdom is being challenged.


  • #8769
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with being devout, it is what is expected of members of the Catholic church. And if you are correct about their attitude to LGBT then they are only following the teaching of the church.

    Sorry but following the teaching of the church doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid.

    Glazers Out!



  • #8770
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,235 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    nullzero wrote: »
    Sorry but following the teaching of the church doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid.

    If you were a devout Catholic it would.


  • #8771
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    tretorn wrote: »
    I know they can practice their traditions but I am wondering what these traditions are.

    Part of the reason they got ethnic status must be to do with these traditions but I havent a clue what they are. Is marrying daughters off at seventeen to a cousin one of the traditions, surely we should discourage this practice.

    We all know what they do, but we cannot say it.

    But maybe now we can.


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  • #8772
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    If you were a devout Catholic it would.

    Devout Catholics do not covet there neighbours goods.


  • #8773
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    If you were a devout Catholic it would.

    Very droll.
    There are plenty of Catholics in Ireland and elsewhere who can see that LGBT people should not be discriminated against. The sad fact is that the travelling community have an awful lot of prejudices they need to address themselves and its high time they did.

    Glazers Out!



  • #8774
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,235 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    nullzero wrote: »
    Very droll.
    There are plenty of Catholics in Ireland and elsewhere who can see that LGBT people should not be discriminated against. The sad fact is that the travelling community have an awful lot of prejudices they need to address themselves and its high time they did.

    I have never heard any of their spokespersons saying anything against LGBT. Where are you getting the information?


  • #8775
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I have never heard any of their spokespersons saying anything against LGBT. Where are you getting the information?

    Are you really taking things to this level?

    OK a quick search...
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/gay-travellers-entering-arranged-marriages-to-avoid-shame-1.3248791?mode=amp


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-didnt-want-to-live-anymore-travellers-torment-before-coming-out-as-gay-35078122.html

    I can grab a few more if you like but whats outlined above is reasonably common knowledge, although I'm assuming that doesn't fit your agenda..

    Glazers Out!



  • #8776
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,235 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    nullzero wrote: »
    Are you really taking things to this level?

    OK a quick search... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/gay-travellers-entering-arranged-marriages-to-avoid-shame-1.3248791

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-didnt-want-to-live-anymore-travellers-torment-before-coming-out-as-gay-35078122.html

    I can grab a few more if you like but whats outlined above is reasonably common knowledge, although I'm assuming that doesn't fit your agenda..

    No that's fine. But I'm surprised you had to Google to find evidence to support your claims. The way I read your earlier posts led me to think that you worked with Travellers and have thus gathered a very detailed knowledge of their attitudes to religion and LGBT.


  • #8777
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    No that's fine. But I'm surprised you had to Google to find evidence to support your claims. The way I read your earlier posts led me to think that you worked with Travellers and have thus gathered a very detailed knowledge of their attitudes to religion and LGBT.

    What would you have me do, use some anecdotal story? Had I done that you'd have asked for evidence.
    You're just being contrary at this stage.
    Do you think that travellers attitudes to LGBT people is positive or negative, please explain in detail.

    Glazers Out!



  • #8778
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,421 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Traveller crime gang in England behind 250 burglaries in 11 months netting them £2million, BBC selective in their mention of the T wurd like de RTE...

    Daily Mail story
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6343377/Smash-grab-traveller-gang-admit-netting-2m-haul-11-month-crime-spree.html

    BBC story
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-46060729


  • #8779
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He didn't 'preach' much is right. That's how incredibly easy it is to do.

    Plenty exposure of rural crime across all media, nobody was hiding it. Another myth.

    Yes, I think I wrote somewhere that I wouldn't be surprised if he got 20% as that accounts for what I think is the 'rant, but not arsed to do anything practical to change things' vote out there.

    He spoiled the election for a lot of other candidates, his percentage certainly took from all the others.
    He might be the biggest buffoon in Ireland, but that doesn't make his points about travellers or welfare any less relevant.
    I see a theme here of rubbishing him. There are permeantations of why that might be politically.
    Let's just say for instance he took say 5/6% off Ni Riada, that makes her campaign look like a failure as compared to 12/13% she may have had, giving SF something to present a positive slant on.
    If he runs in an election and perhaps with a party it would pay the other party's to try to rubbish him.
    His points struck a cord with a large percentage of voters, that makes his pitch dangerous going forward to the established and emerging party's like SF.
    I can easily see why we'll known certain party supporters would try to rubbish him, despite substantial evidence his points are valid.
    Certain stances don't surprise me at all.


  • #8780
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    Sinn Fein made a big mistake letting John Connors become their part time spokesman/cheerleader. A section of the Gardai and their families were softening in their views on Sinn Fein since the Jerry McCabe incident things have changed. But then you have SF supporter John Connors on the Late Late calling Gardai scum. The optics of Gardai in balaclavas wasn't good but Connors reaction was not a smart move.

    you really think that the gardai were softening on SF ? where do you get that from . The murder of friends isnt something you soften on .

    A POS like connors acting like a POS wouldn't have any impact on that


  • #8781
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    Marian Keyes and other Libs melting down on twitter over Casey on the Late Late

    Unbelievable how little it takes to offend them


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  • #8782
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Traveller crime gang in England behind 250 burglaries in 11 months netting them £2million, BBC selective in their mention of the T wurd like de RTE...

    Daily Mail story
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6343377/Smash-grab-traveller-gang-admit-netting-2m-haul-11-month-crime-spree.html

    BBC story
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-46060729

    If tried here, those 250 burglaries would net them at least 250 concurrent sentences of 3 months, with time off for good behaviour and backdated to July 2018.

    But this trial is in the U.K. so hard to tell.


  • #8783
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,259 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    He spoiled the election for a lot of other candidates, his percentage certainly took from all the others.
    He might be the biggest buffoon in Ireland, but that doesn't make his points about travellers or welfare any less relevant.
    I see a theme here of rubbishing him. There are permeantations of why that might be politically.
    Let's just say for instance he took say 5/6% off Ni Riada, that makes her campaign look like a failure as compared to 12/13% she may have had, giving SF something to present a positive slant on.
    If he runs in an election and perhaps with a party it would pay the other party's to try to rubbish him.
    His points struck a cord with a large percentage of voters, that makes his pitch dangerous going forward to the established and emerging party's like SF.
    I can easily see why we'll known certain party supporters would try to rubbish him, despite substantial evidence his points are valid.
    Certain stances don't surprise me at all.

    :D:D The conspiracy theory is in.:D:D Would there ever be a chance that people don't like stunts like his, full stop?

    For the record, I said early on that Ni Riada was the wrong pick and wouldn't be getting my vote anyhow. Seems she wasn't the candidate for many.


  • #8784
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,810 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Strangely enough, as someone who would never vote SF, Ni Riada brought me as close as I ever could to voting. Certainly if she was independent, I would have considered her.

    She didnt look SF or sound SF. I guess that is why the SF voters didnt take to her.


  • #8785
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    Marian Keyes and other Libs melting down on twitter over Casey on the Late Late

    Unbelievable how little it takes to offend them

    Melting:):)

    Brilliant


  • #8786
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,560 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :D:D The conspiracy theory is in.:D:D Would there ever be a chance that people don't like stunts like his, full stop?

    For the record, I said early on that Ni Riada was the wrong pick and wouldn't be getting my vote anyhow. Seems she wasn't the candidate for many.

    SF should have used their brains and put Peadar Toibin up instead of Leagha.
    Kill two birds with one stone so to speak.
    He is not going to run for them again anyway over his stance on abortion.


  • #8787
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    tayto lover wrote: »
    SF should have used their brains and put Peadar Toibin up instead of Leagha.
    Kill two birds with one stone so to speak.
    He is not going to run for them again anyway over his stance on abortion.
    He's going and hes taking his seat with him. He's the only decent one left of them.


  • #8788
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    you really think that the gardai were softening on SF ? where do you get that from . The murder of friends isnt something you soften on .

    A POS like connors acting like a POS wouldn't have any impact on that
    Was 22 years ago though, some younger Gardai I knew were softening on SF. There was a lot cuts and closing stations under FG in recent years but pay etc has been improved recently.

    On a related note the wife of one of Jerry McCabes killers(Pearse Mccauley ) is running for Sinn Fein in Cavan /Monaghan next election. Mccauley is doing another 12 year sentence now for attempted murder of his wife in 2014


  • #8789
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,421 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    middelsburgh wrote: »
    hahahahaha i'd say ryano is sh1ttin bricks
    he's going to get called out BIGTIME

    if peter casey calls out tubs on his half million salary


    Half million in fees, he's not an RTE employee, he's a contractor :D


  • #8790
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,421 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I am guessing Casey will be on LLS around 11.29pm.


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  • #8791
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    Was 22 years ago though, some younger Gardai I knew were softening on SF. There was a lot cuts and closing stations under FG in recent years but pay etc has been improved recently.


    Murder is Murder and they are linked to more recent killings of gardai and the shielding of criminals from justice

    SF/IRA are still one of the major crime organisations in this county between protection rackets and drug dealing, large scale frauds. plant thefts, running doors in night clubs and pubs.

    you can be fairly sure no gardai will vote for SF no mater what.


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