Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

tretorn · 30-10-2018 08:38PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876

This is the kind of nonsense going on in this country.

If whoever is in charge of deporting illegal immigrants cant do their ob then they should be sacked.

Guess who is benefitting the most here, stand up FLAC and take a bow.

Idbatterim · 30-10-2018 08:43PM

wexie wrote: »

This is what I don't get, there's a housing crisis (predominantly in Dublin, or at least the cities), this is also where the jobs are.....

They want to turn Dublin into a world class city, with world class facilities, world class employment prospects....

Yet hold on to this ridiculously archaic no high-rise rule (what is it? max 7 floors?)

And why?

take a look at this, explains why!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL3n59wC8kk

Also this 'analysis' about landlord politicians and their vested interest in prices rising, you dont need to be a bloody landlord or investor, to support rising prices! the vast majority of politicians and planners, have a total vested interest in property prices increasing on their own home!

Danzy · 30-10-2018 08:44PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

This is it and the worrying thing is they can't see it.

30-10-2018 08:46PM

wexie wrote: »

This is what I don't get, there's a housing crisis (predominantly in Dublin, or at least the cities), this is also where the jobs are.....

They want to turn Dublin into a world class city, with world class facilities, world class employment prospects....

Yet hold on to this ridiculously archaic no high-rise rule (what is it? max 7 floors?)

And why?

Something something beautiful skylines

Deusexmachina · 30-10-2018 08:46PM

DChancer wrote: »

Casey managed to get 11 out of every hundred entitled to vote in the Presidential election to cast their vote for him.
Hardly a convincing mandate or a groundswell of popular support

That's a very poor argument. He came a strong second from nowhere, spending way less than anyone other candidate, consistently making the news agenda, despite being deliberately hampered by Mr.Higgin's 3 week stunt and despite a generally hostile press and the Taoiseach's crass (and very worrying) interference in the electoral process.
A triumph.

listermint · 30-10-2018 08:53PM

Danzy wrote: »

This is it and the worrying thing is they can't see it.

Only in your head.

That's the worrying part.

You live in one of the safest secure well looked after and best places to reside in the world yet you go on like it's some hell hole.

That's what I find perplexing and amusing in equal measure.

And you conjure images of some group of lefty people who are surpressing you from.... From I don't know what.

Who are these people , what are they surpressing you doing. Do they appear at your front door ?

Have you considered that people that don't agree with your view point are just debating with you and may actually not be this image you conjured of them .

Consider it... For a minute. Just a minute

Redneck Culchie · 30-10-2018 08:54PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

That's a very poor argument. He came a strong second from nowhere, spending way less than anyone other candidate, consistently making the news agenda, despite being deliberately hampered by Mr.Higgin's 3 week stunt and despite a generally hostile press and the Taoiseach's crass (and very worrying) interference in the electoral process.
A triumph.

He also didn't use posters and barely canvassed. I smiled today when I seen the Sinn Fein posters still up in my area knowing Casey beat her easily here and everywhere with none.

listermint · 30-10-2018 08:56PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

That's a very poor argument. He came a strong second from nowhere, spending way less than anyone other candidate, consistently making the news agenda, despite being deliberately hampered by Mr.Higgin's 3 week stunt and despite a generally hostile press and the Taoiseach's crass (and very worrying) interference in the electoral process.
A triumph.

A triumph in single picking a single issue and riding the arse out of it to get some votes from a very narrow subject matter which rings with a minority of people.

Snake oil salesman. It's pretty simple . Red dead redemption is full of this trope.

Danzy · 30-10-2018 08:56PM

listermint wrote: »

Only in your head.

That's the worrying part.

You live in one of the safest secure well looked after and best places to reside in the world yet you go on like it's some hell hole.

That's what I find perplexing and amusing in equal measure.

And you conjure images of some group of lefty people who are surpressing you from.... From I don't know what.

Who are these people , what are they surpressing you doing. Do they appear at your front door ?

Have you considered that people that don't agree with your view point are just debating with you and may actually not be this image you conjured of them .

Consider it... For a minute. Just a minute

?

Are you replying to the correct post?

I have always voted left, SF.

The Left today is a very different beast to even twenty years ago.

JeffKenna · 30-10-2018 08:57PM

DChancer wrote: »

Casey managed to get 11 out of every hundred entitled to vote in the Presidential election to cast their vote for him.
Hardly a convincing mandate or a groundswell of popular support

Money D managed to get 25 out of every 100 entitled to vote. So using your logic 75 out of every 100 people didn't want him as president.

listermint · 30-10-2018 08:58PM

Danzy wrote: »

?

Are you replying to the correct post?

I have always voted left, SF.

The Left today is a very different beast to even twenty years ago.

In replying to a post that believes there is some angry group of people surpressing them .

You thanked it and then said it's worrying that they can't see it?

Idbatterim · 30-10-2018 08:58PM

listermint wrote: »

Only in your head.

That's the worrying part.

You live in one of the safest secure well looked after and best places to reside in the world yet you go on like it's some hell hole.

That's what I find perplexing and amusing in equal measure.

And you conjure images of some group of lefty people who are surpressing you from.... From I don't know what.

Who are these people , what are they surpressing you doing. Do they appear at your front door ?

Have you considered that people that don't agree with your view point are just debating with you and may actually not be this image you conjured of them .

Consider it... For a minute. Just a minute

Ill tell you what I consider, 50% income tax thieved off over a pittance of E34,800! a third world transport system in Dublin, no motorway linking the second a third cities. Boil water notices and raw sewage being discharged into our sea's! Law and order, I wont even go there! Outrageous house prices for some and its free for others. An off the wall welfare state! The place is a joke! They spending to tax cut ratio as agree between FG and FF was to be at a ration of 2/1. What was it this budget? 19/1 YES 19/1! LOL when the **** hits the fan here again, the national debt last time was minute! this time round a nice cool two hundred billion to the best of my knowledge, there will be SERIOUS hard decisions to be made next time! Borrowing tens of billions to avoid hard decisions, that option wont be on the menu!

wexie · 30-10-2018 09:00PM

Elaina Gigantic RuleMGS wrote: »

Something something beautiful skylines

What beautiful skylines?

Seriously have you been to Dublin?

I'm all for preserving architecture that's worth preserving (and there's a fair bit of it in the cities to be honest) but there's also a lot of uninspired muck that needs to be torn down and replaced with higher density living. (probably wouldn't hurt if public transport was upgraded at the same time)

And whatever else about preserving the Dublin skyline (haha) there's certainly none of that in the suburbs.

listermint · 30-10-2018 09:00PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

Money D managed to get 25 out of every 100 entitled to vote. So using your logic 75 out of every 100 people didn't want him as president.

Or that most people didn't bother voting because they believed MD would get in

And that those that did vote were motivated to by a narrow populist rant . Which was compelling to that minority group of people.

Let's just say they were taking in by a psuedo American who knows nothing about their lives and jumped on a subject that got airtime.

Let's just say that.

listermint · 30-10-2018 09:03PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Ill tell you what I consider, 50% income tax thieved off over a pittance of E34,800! a third world transport system in Dublin, no motorway linking the second a third cities. Boil water notices and raw sewage being discharged into our sea's! Law and order, I wont even go there! Outrageous house prices for some and its free for others. An off the wall welfare state! The place is a joke! They spending to tax cut ratio as agree between FG and FF was to be at a ration of 2/1. What was it this budget? 19/1 YES 19/1! LOL when the **** hits the fan here again, the national debt last time was minute! this time round a nice cool two hundred billion to the best of my knowledge, there will be SERIOUS hard decisions to be made next time! Borrowing tens of billions to avoid hard decisions, that option wont be on the menu!

Sorry wait.

I'm actually struggling to see your answers.

I did actually see a mostly ranty popular piece which is at odds to our growth .

So what would you start with three rational things. That doesn't involve vilification of a section of society to get votes

Rational things which an actual political party can run with .

Grayson · 30-10-2018 09:04PM

Danzy wrote: »

?

Are you replying to the correct post?

I have always voted left, SF.

The Left today is a very different beast to even twenty years ago.

Is it a different beast? SF, labour etc are still the same parties. I don't see any of them shouting anyone down. I don't see any way people are being oppressed by the left.

Look at the left in Ireland. Pro choice, pro gay marriage etc. They're for peoples rights. They're not oppressing anyone, they're giving some people additional rights but that's it.

Danzy · 30-10-2018 09:04PM

listermint wrote: »

In replying to a post that believes there is some angry group of people surpressing them .

You thanked it and then said it's worrying that they can't see it?

I took it as reflective of the increasing tendency to preach,roar and lecture like a demented 1950s Priest.

Whatever we think, whether right or wrong. A growing no. of voters think so across the West.

In many countries the Left is in freefall.

SEPT 23 1989 · 30-10-2018 09:05PM

When are the audited accounts being released by our new president to the Irish people?

Windbag speeches are all well and good but let's see who you really are Michael

listermint · 30-10-2018 09:06PM

Danzy wrote: »

I took it as reflective of the increasing tendency to preach,roar and lecture like a demented 1950s Priest.

Whatever we think, whether right or wrong. A growing no. of voters think so across the West.

In many countries the Left is in freefall.

Ah so you agree you've conjured up this image.

There is not one preaching or roaring at you.

Your not oppressed in fact you enjoy quite a good quality of life in Ireland.

Would these be more factual than your Twitter version of events.

Let's talk rationally rather than in a diametric American them and us style of discussion

listermint · 30-10-2018 09:07PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

When are the audited accounts being released by our new president to the Irish people?

Windbag speeches are all well and good but let's see who you really are Michael

I don't know try emailing the Aras

BrianD3 · 30-10-2018 09:12PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Absolutely terrible idea. Considering that older, vulnerable folks are the ones often preyed upon for these 'services', placing the onus on them to ensure they engage a licensed contractor is really punishing the wrong person.

The onus wouldn't only be on homeowners - however the logic would be that, unlike travellers, homeowners are generally law abiding and don't want to get into trouble. If fines were introduced for engaging cold callers for home maintenance and a TV ad campaign (similar to TV licence ads) was run, travellers would get far less "business". Also it would give a good excuse for not engaging travellers without fear of getting personal and without getting into a discussion with highly manipulative individuals.

"Sorry I'm not allowed to engage you for cleaning the driveway, I could be fined, isn't the government terrible. OK bye".

It won't happen and I haven't thought through the practicalities of it.

However there is a notorious 4x4 dealership in Co. Longford which has been in trouble with Revenue and other authorities for years. There are rumours that Revenue were using a tactic of targeting customers of the dealership for tax audits. Whether true or not, this rumour is now out there and will have made some potential customers avoid having anything to do with that dealership.

30-10-2018 09:24PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Ill tell you what I consider, 50% income tax thieved off over a pittance of E34,800! a third world transport system in Dublin, no motorway linking the second a third cities. Boil water notices and raw sewage being discharged into our sea's! Law and order, I wont even go there! Outrageous house prices for some and its free for others. An off the wall welfare state! The place is a joke! They spending to tax cut ratio as agree between FG and FF was to be at a ration of 2/1. What was it this budget? 19/1 YES 19/1! LOL when the **** hits the fan here again, the national debt last time was minute! this time round a nice cool two hundred billion to the best of my knowledge, there will be SERIOUS hard decisions to be made next time! Borrowing tens of billions to avoid hard decisions, that option wont be on the menu!

i. Neither you nor nobody pay 50% income tax on 34800. that is a ridiculous statement.

ii. we have an ok transport system. third world is a ridiculous comparison.

iii. we have a very good roads network.

iv. i dont have a boil water notice are you sure this statement is representative or is it a bit ridiculous? lots of improvement in the figures of our raw sewage management under Irish Water if you read the available reports. Have you? or are you being a little ridiculous?

v. we live in a very safe country in terms of crime and the likelihood of being a victim of serious crime. ridiculous for you to be afraid to 'go there'

vi. housing is a major issue. congratulations. not easily solved.

vii. what are the international comparators you are using for your claims that we are an off the wall welfare state. that sounds a little ridiculous to me.

viii. id need to see the actual figures on the spending to tax cut ratios and promises. your word alone seems..... untrustworthy

ix. the national debt was not 'minute' that is utterly ridiculous.

look. you are ridiculous. that much is clear and you obviously don't care.

but come. what party is going to solve all of your crises above?

you're hardly here twelve hours a day ranting and raving this bollox without somebody in mind.

let's hear it.

listermint · 30-10-2018 09:26PM

He's an ideas guy.

He will be along soon with some rationale thought out ideas about how to solve all the issues he claims we have.

Or else some meme that he dreamt up of being shouted down by this fictitious group of neighbours who won't let him speak his mind. And close him down.

One or the other.

blinding · 30-10-2018 09:29PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You say that FF are going to reinvent themselves as a right wing party like they reinvented themselves as a Republican Party a few years ago. At what point do you think the republican reinvention took place?

Before every election for the last 45 years at least . And its worked a lot of the time too .

JeffKenna · 30-10-2018 09:42PM

listermint wrote: »

Or that most people didn't bother voting because they believed MD would get in

And that those that did vote were motivated to by a narrow populist rant . Which was compelling to that minority group of people.

Let's just say they were taking in by a psuedo American who knows nothing about their lives and jumped on a subject that got airtime.

Let's just say that.

Let's just say 75% of people didn't want to vote for a man who lied to them.

Redneck Culchie · 30-10-2018 09:43PM

wellwhynot wrote: »

I for one would welcome a new party or Renua. FG have proved there is not much difference between them and FF. There is literally no party I can vote for in the next election.

I am fed up of reading about criminals with 106 previous convinctions carrying out heinous crimes and getting joke sentences with a portion suspended. As for concurrent sentencing, it makes my blood boil. If you have been caught for one crime you may as well rush out and do many more as it won’t matter once you reach court. If you are aged 26 with 106 previous you should be locked up for at least 20 years. There should be no drugs in prisons ever.

I am also fed up of paying huge amounts of tax to pay for people to sit on their arse all day or pop out children for the taxpayer to support. I had to visit a welfare office a few years ago and the amount of people that came in to sign on in their pyjamas was shocking. You should not be able to put your name down for a council house at 18. If you are working on a low wage you should go up the list ahead of someone who has never worked. A council house should not be for life. Able bodied people who leave school should be made work for the dole.

I am fed up about the reckless spending and waste by our government. The HSE being the largest elephant in the room, followed by RTÉ, not to mention the Irish Water fiasco. I could go on and on.

Renua were battered by the Irish media/establishment when they tried to get going. A lot of infighting, poorly run too. People like Lucinda Creighton and the spoofer Eddie Hobbs involved .

They couldn't decide whether to be fiscally or socially conservative or both. A lot of people quit or were kicked out, the top dogs couldn't handle 1the media attacks. I recall the Indo heavily campaigning for Kate O'Connell to oust Lucinda Creighton from her seat and they succeeded.

Gimme A Pound · 30-10-2018 10:05PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

What's the craic with all this "Mom and apple pie" guff? Where in Ireland are you talking like that?

Never heard of it either. Sounds like something Sarah Palin would say.

hill16bhoy · 30-10-2018 10:10PM

listermint wrote: »

He's an ideas guy.

He will be along soon with some rationale thought out ideas about how to solve all the issues he claims we have.

Or else some meme that he dreamt up of being shouted down by this fictitious group of neighbours who won't let him speak his mind. And close him down.

One or the other.

Casey supporters are all ideas guys.

Sadly these ideas tend not to pass muster beyond the setting of a barstool after seven pints.

Grayson · 30-10-2018 10:12PM

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Renua were battered by the Irish media/establishment when they tried to get going. A lot of infighting, poorly run too. People like Lucinda Creighton and the spoofer Eddie Hobbs involved .

They couldn't decide whether to be fiscally or socially conservative or both. A lot of people quit or were kicked out, the top dogs couldn't handle 1the media attacks. I recall the Indo heavily campaigning for Kate O'Connell to oust Lucinda Creighton from her seat and they succeeded.

A member calling the vatican the antichrist probably didn't help

To was a party that tried to unite a load of fringe nutjobs. It was never going to work

Redneck Culchie · 30-10-2018 10:21PM

It's hard to believe Renua are still going, why is their leader never on Tv/radio? That Irexit guy Hermann Kelly is on regularly. And the Renua guy is at least elected councillor

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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