Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

DChancer · 26-10-2018 11:39AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Pavee Point always come out in support of travellers when they run illegal sulky races, torture animals, engage in riots and mass brawls during weddings, christenings, funerals etc.

But you know all this already, like everyone else does.

More childish lies.
Please link to a specific statement fro Pavee Point or withdraw the lie Herr Goebbels!

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 11:40AM

DChancer wrote: »

Thats just a lie, plain and simple.
Please link to where Pavee Point have ever requested that Travellers be exempt from the law.
Just one example will do.

Martin Collins of Pavee Point "believes there is a “class issue” at play, and questioned the government “consistently pumping millions” into the horse racing industry, but giving no funding to activities such as sulky racing"

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 11:41AM

DChancer wrote: »

More childish lies.
Please link to a specific statement fro Pavee Point or withdraw the lie Herr Goebbels!

There ya go - typical pavee pointer - lacks the wherewithal to debate, and instead goes straight into Godwins law.

blinding · 26-10-2018 11:41AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You ever see that Border Control programme about Oz ?

It's brutal on some cases but by God they'll send you right back home or lock you up till a plane seat is free.

anyone know a reason why we can't do that ?

The short answer is cheap labour and the long answer is cheap labour .

Also its very handy to be able to call people racists as that shuts down any arguments they have no matter how genuine .

Bannasidhe · 26-10-2018 11:43AM

Gravelly wrote: »

And be harrassed, called a racist by every "progressive" moron in the country, have your employer contacted in an effort to get you sacked, be threatened and slandered.

Not many people up for that.

Seriously?

Better to bitch anonymously on-line about what one considers child abuse than start a campaign that no one can get married before the age of 18?

That really is the very definition of keyboard warrior.

As for advocating the laws be enforced equally - Traveller, TD, Priest, Farmer, Doctor, Academic - well, we shouldn't need to campaign for that.
It's what is supposed to happen!

KevIRL · 26-10-2018 11:43AM

First bit of a drift on Casey out from 2/7 to 4/11 in betting without mdh market

PlaneSpeeking · 26-10-2018 11:43AM

DChancer wrote: »

Thats just a lie, plain and simple.
Please link to where Pavee Point have ever requested that Travellers be exempt from the law.
Just one example will do.

K:

https://www.thejournal.ie/sulky-racing-ban-delusional-1507242-Jun2014/

Normal people want it banned as it's dangerous, antisocial and cruel to the horses - they don't want it banned as "sure they'll do it anyway".

Try being a non-traveller and racing the horse down the motorway, you'll be nicked before you can blink. Not "cultural" is it boss ?

tretorn · 26-10-2018 11:45AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

For the last time - failure to enforce the laws can be laid firmly at the feet of the Gardaí, Courts and Government.

The failure is completely theirs.

The question that should be asked is why?

Is our State so fragile it is incapable of policing the activities of a few hundred thousand people?

Yes, in answer to your question it does appear the State is not able to enforce the laws relating to travellers.

It cant even ensure that the children get their legal entitlement to education.

It cant even prevent attacks with slash hooks and machetes at weddings and funerals so the only option is for pub owners and shops to close theiir doors when a large traveller contingent is due in town.

It cant protect retailers from Mouth Cash, she can walk out of a small Penneys store with a trolley full of clothes and no one stops her. If I steal a toothbrush I will be stopped and the Gardai may be called, one law for them and another for us.

Can you even for a nanosecond understand now why so many people have agreed with Peter Casey, even from behind your mound of reports relating to traveller discrimination and your prepared liberal lefty speak nonsense can you look at it from an unbiased point of view.

No, thought not, it suits you to keep the travellers in the infantile dependent State so you can get paid for holding their hands.

Bannasidhe · 26-10-2018 11:47AM

Trevor Tight Plantation wrote: »

The only group of people in Ireland who routinely demand permission for children to get married in their mid-teens are Travellers. And if courts won't grant permission, they send them to the North or to England, where Traveller girls are known to get married on their 16th birthday.

Pointing fingers at the courts and the Minister for Justice is typical of those who would prefer not to criticize Traveller culture.

Any culture that forces children into marriage at age 15 is not worthy of respect -- and yet few on the left dare criticize Travellers for this for fear of seeming "racist."

15-year-olds should be doing their Junior Cert, not settling into married life.

And that is what we call a "cop-out".

The fact remains the courts grant permission because the legislation is there.

ectoraige · 26-10-2018 11:47AM

jmayo wrote: »

True recidivism is not dealt with in Ireland, but that does not take away from fact that travellers account for a disproportionate amount of prisoners which should be a major concern and is not being addressed by travellers or their supporters.
In fact you above are basically saying that it is societies fault.

It pretty much is. If a child is allowed to bully his siblings, his parents are at fault.
You're dead right, the fact there are so many travellers that end up in prison should be a major concern, but the problem is not enough is done by our society to recognise and deal with the it.

Better education, better policing, and a better justice system needs to be delivered, but not just because of travellers, it's what our society deserves. But it doesn't need hatred to deliver it.

Bannasidhe · 26-10-2018 11:48AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Pavee Point for one.

I'm going to need actual proof.

Bannasidhe · 26-10-2018 11:48AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Pavee Point always come out in support of travellers when they run illegal sulky races, torture animals, engage in riots and mass brawls during weddings, christenings, funerals etc.

But you know all this already, like everyone else does.

Link?

JMNolan · 26-10-2018 11:48AM

thejournal.ie wrote:

A COMPLETE BAN on sulky racing would drive the practice “further underground”, groups have warned.

Pavee Point believes an overall ban on the sport would also result in the races becoming even more dangerous.

What odd logic.

tretorn · 26-10-2018 11:50AM

Its not just the travellers rights organisation who are living off Government funding.

Report in the paper today saying there are over five hundred voluntary bodies involved in the housing sector.

I had to read this figure twice, this country is bonkers.

pjohnson · 26-10-2018 11:50AM

JMNolan wrote: »

What odd logic.

Really?

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 11:50AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Seriously?

Better to bitch anonymously on-line about what one considers child abuse than start a campaign that no one can get married before the age of 18?

That really is the very definition of keyboard warrior.

As for advocating the laws be enforced equally - Traveller, TD, Priest, Farmer, Doctor, Academic - well, we shouldn't need to campaign for that.
It's what is supposed to happen!

You're a gas character. Here you are, trying to shout down any criticism of traveller criminality, while criticising anyone who isn't risking their safety and career to fight traveller criminality.

What an utter hypocrite.

Bannasidhe · 26-10-2018 11:51AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Oh and the John Connors/Joan Collins (thank f**k not THAT one)/Posh Boy Barrett/Scruffy Twats Daly and Mick and the Should Be In Jail Murphy - them lot.

Still waiting for actual proof.

normanoffside · 26-10-2018 11:51AM

I don't understand the constant babbling on about Left and right regarding travellers and social welfare spongers.

I have read Karl Marx, and his theories are about the nationalising the means of production and giving fair pay to all workers.
There is nothing there about free housing and welfare payments if you chose not to work. In fact I have been to Cuba during Castro's time and those who refuse to work are homeless and destitute.

under a proper leftist system everyone is in fact expected to work.

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 11:51AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Link?

I'm sure you are very, very aware of where to find any information you want on Pavee Point.

weldoninhio · 26-10-2018 11:52AM

ectoraige wrote: »

134 children have been deported in the last five years. The will of the people was not ignored, and the amendment does allow for the legislature to rule in this area.

What shouldn't happen is the huge delay in dealing with people's cases. The mother of the nine-year-old boy in Bray had been in Ireland since 2006, he was born in 2009, and she didn't receive a deportation order until 2015.

It shouldn't take nine whole years for the state to decide send her back where she came from, that's recklessly inefficient.

Our justice system is similarly under-resourced, every week we see people convicted for crimes committed while on bail for other charges, that can take years to be heard before the courts.

This is what needs to actually be addressed, not sending nine-year-old children who grew up alongside our children to a foreign country where they also don't have citizenship rights. We may as well have sent that child to Timbuktu.

Money D's party is looking to subvert the referendum. Eric and Nonso have zero right to be here. Their parents knew this, yet stayed anyway. It's their fault, not ours. Kids are also extremely adaptable.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 26-10-2018 11:52AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As for advocating the laws be enforced equally - Traveller, TD, Priest, Farmer, Doctor, Academic - well, we shouldn't need to campaign for that.
It's what is supposed to happen!

Yes, because enforcing the law on Travellers is just as easy as enforcing it on academics and doctors.

With all your high-minded talk of how the laws should be enforced equally, you seem to have no sense of the organized lawless thuggery that Gardai have to deal with when it comes to some groups of Travellers.

Have a read ...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/garda-tells-of-trauma-after-terrifying-laois-operation-1.3118593

King of Kings · 26-10-2018 11:52AM

DChancer wrote: »

Thats just a lie, plain and simple.
Please link to where Pavee Point have ever requested that Travellers be exempt from the law.
Just one example will do.

they dont do that, they have decent PR
they play the victim when they have the advantage and stay silent when they are caught out.

pavee point themselves in their 2014 pdf on discrimination (see their website) claim 52% of travellers say gardai/courts discriminate against them. Its a back handed way of saying the laws are applied to strictly.
also same pdf makes reference to racial profiling. haha

also same report some quotes gardai and judges remarking on their experiences with travellers...making out such statements are racist....again a back handed way of saying travellers should be exempt.
If they were law abiding they wouldnt be complaining about enforcement.

john connors when not fighting terminators is on twitter approving of looting lidls. he isnt pavee poibt but he is a prominent traveller

tretorn · 26-10-2018 11:53AM

https://www.thejournal.ie/legal-aid-spend-ireland-3296584-Mar2017/

Do any of these free legal aid recipients make any contribution at all to costs.

pjohnson · 26-10-2018 11:55AM

Gravelly wrote: »

You're a gas character. Here you are, trying to shout down any criticism of traveller criminality, while criticising anyone who isn't risking their safety and career to fight traveller criminality.

What an utter hypocrite.

Well at least Casey had the balls to actually stand by his convictions.

Gravelly · 26-10-2018 11:58AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Well at least Casey had the balls to actually stand by his convictions.

And fair play to him - I'll be voting for him (in a few minutes) for it.

However, joe and jane doe, with normal jobs can't say what he said in the present climate, as they can be fired if pressure is put on their employer, and they can't afford 24 hour security.

26-10-2018 11:58AM

He said his client, a member of the Travelling community, was raised in a severe poverty.

Fcuk off :rolleyes:

Bannasidhe · 26-10-2018 12:00PM

Gravelly wrote: »

So breaking the law is the fault of the state, not the criminal?

You would do well in Pavee Point, if you don't work there already.

Sweetest divine :rolleyes:

Every section of society breaks the law.
Most likely every one has broken some law or other at some time (speeding/littering).

People here are acting like all criminality in Ireland is down to Travellers. It patently is not.

We do have a problem with the laws not being enforced and that is true across the spectrum of Irish society and yes - that failure is down to the Gardaí and the Courts.

ThunbergsAreGo · 26-10-2018 12:00PM

Some of the insults on Twitter towards voters based on their candidate of choice is pretty nasty

I also note no use of of the words "some" or a "proportion of"

As much as people enjoy a debate here, it is a democracy, people can vote for whoever they want

Twitter really is a cesspit

suicide_circus · 26-10-2018 12:01PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Well at least Casey had the balls to actually stand by his convictions.

which is extremely rare. 99% of public figures after uttering an un-PC "gaffe" would have curled up in the foetal position and begged for forgiveness from the media intelligentsia. Casey doubled down - that is refreshing.

Bannasidhe · 26-10-2018 12:02PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That is an incredible cop-out. I cannot believe you are defending the misogynistic nature of Traveller culture. And that culture is not only deeply misogynistic, it is deeply homophobic as well. Do you have any views on this news article:

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2016/0929/820182-being-a-gay-traveller/

As I have pointed out, I will not stop criticising African tribes for FGM, neither will I stop criticising Muslims for their treatment of women, or Jews and Muslims for unnecessary circumcisions, and I will continue to criticise the Travelling community for their misogynist and homophobic culture.

Get off the stage.

I defended nothing.

I pointed out that in Ireland getting married at 15 is legal.
I gave no opinion as to whether or not I think that is acceptable. (I don't btw)

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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