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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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    #5972
    DChancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭DChancer


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Pavee Point for one.

    Thats just a lie, plain and simple.
    Please link to where Pavee Point have ever requested that Travellers be exempt from the law.
    Just one example will do.


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    #5973
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Again - if this is true - it is a failure by the State to enforce the laws.

    Ahem, 99.9 % of the population dont need anyone to enforce the laws that are there so we can have a civilised society. These people obey the law because its the right thing to do and not because we need a Garda car to sit outside where we live to follow us in case we go travelling with the intention of finding an old person living alone to beat up for a few euros.

    You are a disgrace and I really hope you arent employed as a public servant in some travellers rights organisation. Travellers make me angry but you make me seethe.


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    #5974
    ectoraige
    Registered Users Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    Evie Fit Tuna wrote: »
    What’s untrue about that? We had to call the Gardai and rspca when travellers opened one of our fields, and put their horses onto our land. They had no access to water, but sure why would that stop them?


    What's untrue is that your assumption that your experience of those particular travellers, logically extends to mean all travellers also do that.


    It's the same mentality that led to "No Blacks, No Irish" signs. What those travellers did was wrong, that is not disputed, and they should have been dealt with by, just like anybody else trespassing on your land.


    They don't get a pass because they are travellers, but equally, you don't get a pass to treat the rest of the travellers who didn't do it as though they did.


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    #5975
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Danzy wrote: »
    The laws aren't enforced for them.

    Her parents could be investigated for abuse or neglect.

    As for education, most traveller children are kept out of school, there parents screw them over. Sending a child to school for a month or two a school year is wringing your child greviously.

    Who'll complain, who will draw that world of pain on themselves.

    For the last time - failure to enforce the laws can be laid firmly at the feet of the Gardaí, Courts and Government.

    The failure is completely theirs.

    The question that should be asked is why?

    Is our State so fragile it is incapable of policing the activities of a few hundred thousand people?


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    #5976
    DChancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭DChancer


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Pavee Point always come out in support of travellers when they run illegal sulky races, torture animals, engage in riots and mass brawls during weddings, christenings, funerals etc.

    But you know all this already, like everyone else does.

    More childish lies.
    Please link to a specific statement fro Pavee Point or withdraw the lie Herr Goebbels!


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    #5977
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    DChancer wrote: »
    Thats just a lie, plain and simple.
    Please link to where Pavee Point have ever requested that Travellers be exempt from the law.
    Just one example will do.

    Martin Collins of Pavee Point "believes there is a “class issue” at play, and questioned the government “consistently pumping millions” into the horse racing industry, but giving no funding to activities such as sulky racing"


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    #5978
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    DChancer wrote: »
    More childish lies.
    Please link to a specific statement fro Pavee Point or withdraw the lie Herr Goebbels!

    There ya go - typical pavee pointer - lacks the wherewithal to debate, and instead goes straight into Godwins law.


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    #5979
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    You ever see that Border Control programme about Oz ?

    It's brutal on some cases but by God they'll send you right back home or lock you up till a plane seat is free.

    anyone know a reason why we can't do that ?
    The short answer is cheap labour and the long answer is cheap labour .

    Also its very handy to be able to call people racists as that shuts down any arguments they have no matter how genuine .


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    #5980
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Gravelly wrote: »
    And be harrassed, called a racist by every "progressive" moron in the country, have your employer contacted in an effort to get you sacked, be threatened and slandered.

    Not many people up for that.

    Seriously?

    Better to bitch anonymously on-line about what one considers child abuse than start a campaign that no one can get married before the age of 18?

    That really is the very definition of keyboard warrior.

    As for advocating the laws be enforced equally - Traveller, TD, Priest, Farmer, Doctor, Academic - well, we shouldn't need to campaign for that.
    It's what is supposed to happen!


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    #5981
    KevIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 39,542 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    First bit of a drift on Casey out from 2/7 to 4/11 in betting without mdh market


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    #5982
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    DChancer wrote: »
    Thats just a lie, plain and simple.
    Please link to where Pavee Point have ever requested that Travellers be exempt from the law.
    Just one example will do.

    K:
    https://www.thejournal.ie/sulky-racing-ban-delusional-1507242-Jun2014/

    Normal people want it banned as it's dangerous, antisocial and cruel to the horses - they don't want it banned as "sure they'll do it anyway".

    Try being a non-traveller and racing the horse down the motorway, you'll be nicked before you can blink. Not "cultural" is it boss ?


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    #5983
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    For the last time - failure to enforce the laws can be laid firmly at the feet of the Gardaí, Courts and Government.

    The failure is completely theirs.

    The question that should be asked is why?

    Is our State so fragile it is incapable of policing the activities of a few hundred thousand people?

    Yes, in answer to your question it does appear the State is not able to enforce the laws relating to travellers.

    It cant even ensure that the children get their legal entitlement to education.

    It cant even prevent attacks with slash hooks and machetes at weddings and funerals so the only option is for pub owners and shops to close theiir doors when a large traveller contingent is due in town.

    It cant protect retailers from Mouth Cash, she can walk out of a small Penneys store with a trolley full of clothes and no one stops her. If I steal a toothbrush I will be stopped and the Gardai may be called, one law for them and another for us.

    Can you even for a nanosecond understand now why so many people have agreed with Peter Casey, even from behind your mound of reports relating to traveller discrimination and your prepared liberal lefty speak nonsense can you look at it from an unbiased point of view.

    No, thought not, it suits you to keep the travellers in the infantile dependent State so you can get paid for holding their hands.


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    #5984
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Trevor Tight Plantation wrote: »
    The only group of people in Ireland who routinely demand permission for children to get married in their mid-teens are Travellers. And if courts won't grant permission, they send them to the North or to England, where Traveller girls are known to get married on their 16th birthday.

    Pointing fingers at the courts and the Minister for Justice is typical of those who would prefer not to criticize Traveller culture.

    Any culture that forces children into marriage at age 15 is not worthy of respect -- and yet few on the left dare criticize Travellers for this for fear of seeming "racist."

    15-year-olds should be doing their Junior Cert, not settling into married life.

    And that is what we call a "cop-out".

    The fact remains the courts grant permission because the legislation is there.


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    #5985
    ectoraige
    Registered Users Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    jmayo wrote: »
    True recidivism is not dealt with in Ireland, but that does not take away from fact that travellers account for a disproportionate amount of prisoners which should be a major concern and is not being addressed by travellers or their supporters.
    In fact you above are basically saying that it is societies fault.


    It pretty much is. If a child is allowed to bully his siblings, his parents are at fault.
    You're dead right, the fact there are so many travellers that end up in prison should be a major concern, but the problem is not enough is done by our society to recognise and deal with the it.


    Better education, better policing, and a better justice system needs to be delivered, but not just because of travellers, it's what our society deserves. But it doesn't need hatred to deliver it.


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    #5986
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Pavee Point for one.

    I'm going to need actual proof.


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    #5987
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Pavee Point always come out in support of travellers when they run illegal sulky races, torture animals, engage in riots and mass brawls during weddings, christenings, funerals etc.

    But you know all this already, like everyone else does.

    Link?


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    #5988
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    thejournal.ie wrote:
    A COMPLETE BAN on sulky racing would drive the practice “further underground”, groups have warned.

    Pavee Point believes an overall ban on the sport would also result in the races becoming even more dangerous.

    What odd logic.


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    #5989
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Its not just the travellers rights organisation who are living off Government funding.

    Report in the paper today saying there are over five hundred voluntary bodies involved in the housing sector.

    I had to read this figure twice, this country is bonkers.


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    #5990
    pjohnson
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    JMNolan wrote: »
    What odd logic.

    Really?


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    #5991
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Seriously?

    Better to bitch anonymously on-line about what one considers child abuse than start a campaign that no one can get married before the age of 18?

    That really is the very definition of keyboard warrior.

    As for advocating the laws be enforced equally - Traveller, TD, Priest, Farmer, Doctor, Academic - well, we shouldn't need to campaign for that.
    It's what is supposed to happen!

    You're a gas character. Here you are, trying to shout down any criticism of traveller criminality, while criticising anyone who isn't risking their safety and career to fight traveller criminality.

    What an utter hypocrite.


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    #5992
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Oh and the John Connors/Joan Collins (thank f**k not THAT one)/Posh Boy Barrett/Scruffy Twats Daly and Mick and the Should Be In Jail Murphy - them lot.

    Still waiting for actual proof.


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    #5993
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,985 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    I don't understand the constant babbling on about Left and right regarding travellers and social welfare spongers.

    I have read Karl Marx, and his theories are about the nationalising the means of production and giving fair pay to all workers.
    There is nothing there about free housing and welfare payments if you chose not to work. In fact I have been to Cuba during Castro's time and those who refuse to work are homeless and destitute.

    under a proper leftist system everyone is in fact expected to work.


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    #5994
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Link?

    I'm sure you are very, very aware of where to find any information you want on Pavee Point.


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    #5995
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ectoraige wrote: »
    134 children have been deported in the last five years. The will of the people was not ignored, and the amendment does allow for the legislature to rule in this area.


    What shouldn't happen is the huge delay in dealing with people's cases. The mother of the nine-year-old boy in Bray had been in Ireland since 2006, he was born in 2009, and she didn't receive a deportation order until 2015.


    It shouldn't take nine whole years for the state to decide send her back where she came from, that's recklessly inefficient.


    Our justice system is similarly under-resourced, every week we see people convicted for crimes committed while on bail for other charges, that can take years to be heard before the courts.


    This is what needs to actually be addressed, not sending nine-year-old children who grew up alongside our children to a foreign country where they also don't have citizenship rights. We may as well have sent that child to Timbuktu.

    Money D's party is looking to subvert the referendum. Eric and Nonso have zero right to be here. Their parents knew this, yet stayed anyway. It's their fault, not ours. Kids are also extremely adaptable.


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    #5996
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    As for advocating the laws be enforced equally - Traveller, TD, Priest, Farmer, Doctor, Academic - well, we shouldn't need to campaign for that.
    It's what is supposed to happen!

    Yes, because enforcing the law on Travellers is just as easy as enforcing it on academics and doctors.

    With all your high-minded talk of how the laws should be enforced equally, you seem to have no sense of the organized lawless thuggery that Gardai have to deal with when it comes to some groups of Travellers.

    Have a read ...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/garda-tells-of-trauma-after-terrifying-laois-operation-1.3118593


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    #5997
    King of Kings
    Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    DChancer wrote: »
    Thats just a lie, plain and simple.
    Please link to where Pavee Point have ever requested that Travellers be exempt from the law.
    Just one example will do.

    they dont do that, they have decent PR
    they play the victim when they have the advantage and stay silent when they are caught out.


    pavee point themselves in their 2014 pdf on discrimination (see their website) claim 52% of travellers say gardai/courts discriminate against them. Its a back handed way of saying the laws are applied to strictly.
    also same pdf makes reference to racial profiling. haha

    also same report some quotes gardai and judges remarking on their experiences with travellers...making out such statements are racist....again a back handed way of saying travellers should be exempt.
    If they were law abiding they wouldnt be complaining about enforcement.

    john connors when not fighting terminators is on twitter approving of looting lidls. he isnt pavee poibt but he is a prominent traveller


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    #5998
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    https://www.thejournal.ie/legal-aid-spend-ireland-3296584-Mar2017/

    Do any of these free legal aid recipients make any contribution at all to costs.


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    #5999
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,397 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gravelly wrote: »
    You're a gas character. Here you are, trying to shout down any criticism of traveller criminality, while criticising anyone who isn't risking their safety and career to fight traveller criminality.

    What an utter hypocrite.

    Well at least Casey had the balls to actually stand by his convictions.


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    #6000
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well at least Casey had the balls to actually stand by his convictions.

    And fair play to him - I'll be voting for him (in a few minutes) for it.

    However, joe and jane doe, with normal jobs can't say what he said in the present climate, as they can be fired if pressure is put on their employer, and they can't afford 24 hour security.


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    #6001
    Elaina Gigantic Rule
    Posts: 0 ✭ Elaina Gigantic Rule


    He said his client, a member of the Travelling community, was raised in a severe poverty.

    Fcuk off :rolleyes:


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